Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"

It's probably due to the lack of search and rescue torpedoes.


I still think these people might be alive. Hoping for the best. If not hopefully they didn't suffer.
 
711 said:
I've read das boot, with Iron Coffin are you referring to the McKinna/Mannock book?

edit: think you must be, I've bunged it kindle anyway. Thank you :)
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It’s by Herbert Werner if I recall. A Uboat commander who survived the war. Blew me away.
 
Scandi Red said:
Helicopters, small airplanes, submarines, space shuttles... These things are not very safe when you consider the number of accidents compared to how little they are used. Surely the number one risk to wealthy people? Kobe, the former Leicester City owner and now this guy, just from the last few years.
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More money than sense would be the number one risk to rich people.

If they are not dead then this is really another case of stupid people dying while doing stupid things.

It's a literal graveyard down there leave it alone
 
250,000 that cost to do. Fecking hell. Sadly if a little thing goes wrong which it did. They are not surviving anything. The pressure alone will kill them. Even if they got out. They'd be long dead before the reach the surface. Such a horrifying death. Those poor victims.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think it's just mental, somethings should just not happen, this is one of those, it's not just a sunken ship, it's a grave for 100's of bodies.
Whoever gave the go ahead for this is indeed sick
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Doesn't seem particularly surprising to me. After all, there are actual graveyards and catacombs officially listed as tourist destinations. And other rather macabre "attractions" like Pompeii, Chernobyl, concentration camps and Christ knows how many war/genocide memorials that incoporate actual remains of victims. Even the Great Pyramid of Giza was someone's tomb.

Tragedy + time doesn't always equal comedy but on a big enough scale it does equal history. And it is 110+ years since the Titanic sank.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
Even if they got out. They'd be long dead before the reach the surface. Such a horrifying death. Those poor victims.
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There is no getting out at those sorts of depths as the pressure inequality between inside and outside of the vessel will mean you can't open a door or port, and even if you could doing so would cause explosive compression inside the vessel as water rushed in, killing everyone just about instantly.

Their only hope, if something catastrophic hasn't happened, is that they are either located and rescued from depth before their air/oxygen runs out, after losing mobility for some reason, or they are floating around undetected on the surface which will be a very hard search. A small needle in a very large haystack. I'd have thought the vessel would have a EPERB or similar for this eventuality and if so it means they aren't on the surface or it malfunctioned (which I think is rare) or they aren't able to activate it.
 
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That my friends is literally a death trap.
 
Wibble said:
There is no getting out at those sorts of depths as the pressure inequality between inside and outside of the vessel will mean you can't open a door or port, and even if you could doing so would cause explosive compression inside the vessel as water rushed in, killing everyone just about instantly.

Their only hope, if something catastrophic hasn't happened, is that they are either located and rescued from depth before their air/oxygen runs out, after losing mobility for some reason, or they are floating around undetected on the surface which will be a very hard search. A small needle in a very large haystack. I'd have thought the vessel would have a EPERB or similar for this eventuality and if so it means they aren't on the surface or it malfunctioned (which I think is rare) or they aren't able to activate it.
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Apparently the design of the sub is such that even on the surface you can't open it from the inside, someone outside has to do it
 
AaronRedDevil said:
250,000 that cost to do. Fecking hell. Sadly if a little thing goes wrong which it did. They are not surviving anything. The pressure alone will kill them. Even if they got out. They'd be long dead before the reach the surface. Such a horrifying death. Those poor victims.
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They were/are actually very rich.
 
A few worrying details,

1) They lost contact 1 hr 45mins into the descent. From what I read the only way of communicating is by text message using their USBL sonar system. Presumably they weren't getting any response from the transponder on the sub.
2) The sub they are sending to help in the search is reported as having a maximum depth range of 6000ft and the Titanic is much much deeper than that.
3) There are apparently multiple systems that are meant to surface the sub in the vent of an issue. They now seem to be reporting that this didn't happen (not sure why or if the surface search was previously misreported).
4) They are sealed in from the outside so if the sub is intact finding it before the air/oxygen runs out is just as urgent even if it did surface, just easier to recover if they find it on the surface.
 
Red in STL said:
Apparently the design of the sub is such that even on the surface you can't open it from the inside, someone outside has to do it
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I saw that. Makes little difference if it is still intact at depth and only marginally more if it surfaced and floated away.
 
Wibble said:
A few worrying details,

1) They lost contact 1 hr 45mins into the descent. From what I read the only way of communicating is by text message using their USBL sonar system. Presumably they weren't getting any response from the transponder on the sub.
2) The sub they are sending to help in the search is reported as having a maximum depth range of 6000ft and the Titanic is much much deeper than that.
3) There are apparently multiple systems that are meant to surface the sub in the vent of an issue. They now seem to be reporting that this didn't happen (not sure why or if the surface search was previously misreported).
4) They are sealed in from the outside so if the sub is intact finding it before the air/oxygen runs out is just as urgent even if it did surface, just easier to recover if they find it on the surface.
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Why don't they have a rescue sub that can go as deep as the missing one?
 
Scarlett Dracarys said:
Why don't they have a rescue sub that can go as deep as the missing one?
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Cost I assume. I'd guess each one is very expensive so having a spare doing nothing probably isn't (economically) feasible, and very few submersibles made for other purposes have the depth rating required. I also wonder how much another submersible could help anyway unless it was specifically designed for rescue purposes. Another one identical to the lost one looks like it could only observe as it don't seem to have any equipment that could facilitate a rescue.
 
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Wibble said:
2) The sub they are sending to help in the search is reported as having a maximum depth range of 6000ft and the Titanic is much much deeper than that.
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It looks like they are trying to get one that can go that deep to the site ASAP.
 
Wibble said:
It looks like they are trying to get one that can go that deep to the site ASAP.
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There are not many around, as we saw with the Thai? sub a few years ago.

Either the hull ruptured and they were dead in milliseconds, or they're sitting on the bottom in total darkness waiting for the oxygen to run out. Hopefully one of the sub hunter aircraft can find them first.

I'd love to go to space but the bottom of the ocean? Feck that.
 
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I’d also like to point out what an idiotic thing to do all this is. What’s the point of risking your life in order to see a sunken ship? It’s just loads of metal with some fishes swimming around. There’s just nothing to see there.
 
How many hours of Oxygen is there inside?

Also, isn't there a cable that can be attached to subs this small which can just pull it out in case something goes wrong?
 
HTG said:
I’d also like to point out what an idiotic thing to do all this is. What’s the point of risking your life in order to see a sunken ship? It’s just loads of metal with some fishes swimming around. There’s just nothing to see there.
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There's people interested in anything. I know there's a society of ship wreck divers in Michigan and would be very surprised if there wasn't an equivalent nearly everywhere.

It isn't my cup of tea, or league of expenditure. But is it really anymore stupid than say bungee jumping, or other more accessible ways to do yourself, like rock climbing? (cycling)
 
Couldn't think of many worse ways to go. Simply sitting in the dark for days waiting to run out of oxygen, clinging to some small hope that you would be found. Hopefully they are found, but if not, you nearly hope it was the hull that failed and quick death.
 
prateik said:
How many hours of Oxygen is there inside?

Also, isn't there a cable that can be attached to subs this small which can just pull it out in case something goes wrong?
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4 days apparently.

It's 4km down. Its total darkness at that depth. Even if there was a cable you've got to find the thing first.
 
Abizzz said:
There's people interested in anything. I know there's a society of ship wreck divers in Michigan and would be very surprised if there wasn't an equivalent nearly everywhere.

It isn't my cup of tea, or league of expenditure. But is it really anymore stupid than say bungee jumping, or other more accessible ways to do yourself, like rock climbing? (cycling)
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You have a point. I guess the thing that puts me off is that this is one of these things people do just to be able to say they did them.
 
11101 said:
4 days apparently.

It's 4km down. Its total darkness at that depth. Even if there was a cable you've got to find the thing first.
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I meant a 4km long cable going all the way to the top, attached to whatever vessel was carrying the sub.
 
HTG said:
I’d also like to point out what an idiotic thing to do all this is. What’s the point of risking your life in order to see a sunken ship? It’s just loads of metal with some fishes swimming around. There’s just nothing to see there.
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Renata Rojas, who was one of the passengers onboard the 2022 expedition, told The Independent in an interview that seeing the Titanic up close was the fulfillment of a lifelong dream.
“You’re feeling overwhelmed the entire time, not only because [of] just the fact that you were there ... [but] as we were approaching the wreck, I was wowed. That was the feeling,” she said. Ms Rojas is currently on the Polar Prince.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ate-expeditions-titanic-missing-b2360432.html
 
Wibble said:
A few worrying details,

1) They lost contact 1 hr 45mins into the descent. From what I read the only way of communicating is by text message using their USBL sonar system. Presumably they weren't getting any response from the transponder on the sub.
2) The sub they are sending to help in the search is reported as having a maximum depth range of 6000ft and the Titanic is much much deeper than that.
3) There are apparently multiple systems that are meant to surface the sub in the vent of an issue. They now seem to be reporting that this didn't happen (not sure why or if the surface search was previously misreported).
4) They are sealed in from the outside so if the sub is intact finding it before the air/oxygen runs out is just as urgent even if it did surface, just easier to recover if they find it on the surface.
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Do these two things occurring seem sketchy or am I overthinking this?
 
Has old Elon weighed in with any hot takes/solutions for this yet?
 
Scandi Red said:
Helicopters, small airplanes, submarines, space shuttles... These things are not very safe when you consider the number of accidents compared to how little they are used. Surely the number one risk to wealthy people? Kobe, the former Leicester City owner and now this guy, just from the last few years.
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It’s not the vehicles that are the issue, it’s that they’re all used and owned by private individuals or private firms that down have any standards to uphold to other than “yeah, that looks alright I guess” before they takeoff.

Almost all the tragic accidents in the last 20 years have all been down to someone taking a private journey. The post-mortem has always shown there was an issue with the craft the pilot failed to spot or do anything about prior to take off.
 
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