Titanic tourist submersible missing | Sub's debris found - crew "have been lost"
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It is uses for periscope control I think. Been a while but on some of the videos on yt inside submarines the captain was explaining how it’s used. It isn’t uses to move the sub, but it’s way cheaper and better that what was uses before.
'Thoughts with the families' - UK PM
We're just hearing that Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has said his thoughts are with the families of the people on board the submersible.
Billionaire Hamish Harding, who runs an aviation company, and businessman Shahzada Dawood and his son are among the British citizens onboard.
The PM's official spokesman said: "The families involved will be deeply concerned and his thoughts are with them and the Foreign Office is providing support."
He added Sunak "clearly wants to pass on his thanks to those that are responding" to the situation.
Obviously the Tories can find empathy and sympathy for dead billionaires.
There's a very small number of deep sea salvage systems that can retrieve stuff from that depth or lower. This one for instance. You'd think such operations would require a great deal of forward planning and preparation though. Not to mention one would need to be within a day's travel of the location.
If they're at the bottom and breathing I can't see much hope to be honest.
Edit: Actually the rig I've linked was sold off in 1997 and no longer exists. Sorry.
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Is the issue not that they have how ever many days of oxygen left, but that the oxygen will be replaced by carbon dioxide, which would lead to a much quicker death?
If they’re alive and believing in rescue, he should’ve proposed to the rest of the crew that they kill themselves and leave the oxygen/fresh water to the young lad, in order to make him survive much longer. You could offer their families like half a billion each. Very interesting and unusual dynamics must be in such group in such a moment.
Weird, weird stuff.
So, based upon what I’ve read, they need to
a. Have a craft capable of going to those depths transported to the area. That will take time.
b. Have that craft find them. That will be beyond difficult.
c. Have a craft on the surface with a two mile line to winch them to the surface
d. Have the craft attach the winch cable to the submersible and pull them to the surface.
Without being an expert, it sounds like quite long odds to me. If, for example, it is tangled up in the wreckage, it may not even be possible to free it. Beyond grim.
a. Have a craft capable of going to those depths transported to the area. That will take time.
b. Have that craft find them. That will be beyond difficult.
c. Have a craft on the surface with a two mile line to winch them to the surface
d. Have the craft attach the winch cable to the submersible and pull them to the surface.
Without being an expert, it sounds like quite long odds to me. If, for example, it is tangled up in the wreckage, it may not even be possible to free it. Beyond grim.
Yeah I'll just kill myself for a fecking billionaire...
How would you even go about killing yourself in this situation?
'I'm just going out, I may be some time'.
After having sold yourself for money all that is needed is a good long look in the mirror.
Failing that a selfie. I'm sure they have phones if not a mirror.
It's tethered to a submersible landing platform that can just be towed to a location by any sort of medium sized vessel. Normally these sort of things are launched from highly sophisticated support vessels with specialised cranes and back-up options.
When the vessel is ready to come up it returns to the submerged landing platform, which then does a controlled final safety ascent to ensure you don't get anyone suffering from the bends.
In response to the other persons questions about how far away it is likely to be...this depends on how they have had to re-surface (if they actually can) If they do have the ability to lose some ballast then they will ideally come up in a gentle way, but with no power they won't be able to control this so will drift with currents that can be difficult to track from the surface.
If they do have some other sort or rapid ascent option - an inflatable buoy / marker then their ascent will be more rapid / closer to last known position but it may come at the cost of some pretty bad side effects that require urgent hospitalisation and oxygen to prevent death.
I'm more than a little concerned that a lot of the "safety features" seem to have been on the platform rather than the vessel itself and if that's the case...then this might become solely a recovery operation.
At the depths it operates you wouldn't be able to open any door to escape as the pressure is too great. you could have a door that was openable from the inside once you are closer to the surface, but this would be very expensive and require a lot of engineering to make it work at the pressures they are going down to.
It is much cheaper and easier to have a "one way only" closing mechanism that can deal with the compression a metal cylinder goes under at these pressures / depths.
yes, billionaires are notoriously trustworthy.
'so, you're definitely going to transfer that half a bill as soon as he gets to the surface... right?'
'ofc...'
That happens if there has been a difference in pressure experienced. However , in this case they are in a pressure vessel which IIUC is pressurised at 1 atm. So no decompression effects should be experienced , unless the air mixture is somehow unusual.
so wait... it has no windows? so they just watch a screen?
If it comes back, I might start a gofundme to get the Glazer family on the next one.
A Bluetooth PlayStation controller.. Dear God..
If I watched all that go down, would I have feck gone down in that same sub
It has a port hole at the front.
How does a submarine go missing?
I know the oceans a big place, but surely just surface and recalibrate the PS3 they have in there and go again?
It has a tiny circular window at the front and passengers probably have to take turns looking out of it. The structural pressure down there is too much to have any more I believe.
Quick google search says "The pressure at a depth of 2.5 miles is about 400 atmospheres, 400 times the pressure on the surface and equivalent to half a tonne per square centimeter" Imagine half a tonne sitting on the size of the nail of your little finger, then spread across the entire body - you'd be squashed instantly should that structural integrity break
Even if they are still alive right now, they're as good as dead. The only way they could be rescued is a theoretical scenario that's nigh on impossible to happen.
Wonder if his wife encouraged him to take the trip. " Oh honey that sounds like a great idea you should definitely go. Oh why not take little junior too"
Did you say the same about the Thai cave diving kids?
Sounds shite. $250k to get a tiny view that you have to share
Wow that’s even less enticing! Mental price as well.
No wonder they had to sign all those documents. I still expect someone to get sued though.
Has Musk called anyone a pedo yet?
This Pogue dude seems to be loving the limelight. On a news channel it was inferred he was on one of these which went missing too. It transpires when he went on one it went down 37ft and came back up. That’s barely the height of a house. So basically he’s sat inside one.
Please do not bring up Phillip Schofield again. It’s been going on for weeks.
Yes absolutely. I was meaning if they had to resurface rapidly with a potential pressure / hull issue. They could just go for a rapid ascent and strap themselves in for a bumpy ride. I was thinking about there being a hull issue at a depth that was "surviveable" but still deep enough to make a rapid ascent hazardous with a compromised cabin pressure. At the depth of the titanic of their was a hull problem - it would probably just be a "crunch" and all over I suppose.
No because they explored a cave after a football training session and then got trapped by water following heavy rainfall. They didn't pay £250,000 and sign a waiver where it states numerous times you could die, just to see the resting place of a bunch of dead rich people on a sunken ship, using a camera, in a famously dangerous part of the Atlantic ocean.
Yeah insane thing to do.
This Pogue dude seems to be loving the limelight. On a news channel it was inferred he was on one of these which went missing too. It transpires when he went on one it went down 37ft and came back up. That’s barely the height of a house. So basically he’s sat inside one.
Stop making me laugh at this tragic event!
I figured it was less about the migrants and more about spoiled rich people
you're not the only one anyways