Mike Smalling
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I kind of want England to succeed under Tuchel. That reception is ridiculous, considering he is a quality manager. Meanwhile Southgate is shit and was treated like a hero throughout.
Because the product "English football" is based on foreign talent. Nothing more, nothing less.Good appointment. Best manager available and with a high level squad like England has, anything else would be a waste of talent.
For those complaining about the appointment, I'd be instead asking why some footballing nations like Germany, Spain or Italy keep are producing quality managers in much greater numbers than England does? Where is the pipeline failing?
Crazy to me that people are complaining about this. He's the best manager available, and the FA and the squad in general needed someone to shake things up and elevate the energy for the team.
The squad is full of players that play or have played for elite managers like Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho, Ancelotti etc and that mentality and expectation needs to translate over to the National team. Imagine playing for one of those guys who are decorated with trophies and achievements and then doing a training session with Gareth Southgate. It's gotta be like the stories of when Moyes took over United. Going from the greatest manager of all time to having moyes tell you to watch film of Jagielka.
These are elite level players and they deserve and need an elite level manager that's a proven winner. To me that would be more important that just being English.
I think the biggest uproar is from the press, a few pundits and a number of non English who want to be outraged over it.It's only the Daily Mail complaining, isn't it?
I've not seen anyone on here complaining.
I think the biggest uproar is from the press, a few pundits and a number of non English who want to be outraged over it.
Good grief. Under Lampard you were struggling in mid table in the league, while Tuchel managed to guide you to fourth. It was a vast improvement.Dean Ashton trying to downplay his UCL title because Lampard got us out of the group was mind-blowing.
May actually be the rock bottom of punditry.
Two commonly sung England songs are 10 German Bombers and Two World Wars & One World Cup* if that tells you anything.
*in my experience here in Florida at least
Neville and Carragher said enough to create something of an uproar.Which part of the press ( other than the Mail) are in uproar? I'm genuinely not seeing it.
I’ve not looked. I don’t really give them time of day. I just assumed a few were given the excitement here!Which part of the press ( other than the Mail) are in uproar? I'm genuinely not seeing it.
Yep and Danny Mills who is also having a meltdown got this caps under Sven.
Good question. I still think we should have give potter a crack at the England job. Did fairly well with Brighton and can get a team playing decent football.The real problem is why can't we produce managers/coaches that are capable of being at the top of their profession?
The top footballing nations can do it, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Brazil, Argentina, England can do it at the levels below with the junior teams, why doesn't that translate to the bigger clubs or the national team?
Part of the problem is the owners, particularly PL ones, instant results or you get sacked pretty quickly, Potter did OK at Brighton, moved to Chelsea and then gone, O'Neil went thru St George's, so did McKenna, the former already got the boot once and the latter we'll have to seeGood question. I still think we should have give potter a crack at the England job. Did fairly well with Brighton and can get a team playing decent football.
He’s a fecking imbecile and it reached peak moron meltdown with Dean Ashton wading in.Most memorable thing he did in England shirt was deflecting in that shot against Sweden
Don't Bayernsplain who I want for manager to me, sir.I think it’s for the best. Both for Tuchel and United. He is not who you need and England should fit him better.
Yeah... I don't have that hat so it's just an overall downer over here.Putting on my England hat I'm happy we have a proven manager for first time in years, however also gutted we won't get to see what we could have done with this Utd squad
I just want you guys to have some fun again. And I don’t think Tuchel is the man to bring it back for you.Don't Bayernsplain who I want for manager to me, sir.
I'm just messing with you.I just want you guys to have some fun again. And I don’t think Tuchel is the man to bring it back for you.
Also many posters who wanted him so badly did so for the very same reasons I wanted him at Bayern. And it was such a car crash. I just want to spare you all that same disappointment.
Unless you are Manchester UnitedPart of the problem is the owners, particularly PL ones, instant results or you get sacked pretty quickly, Potter did OK at Brighton, moved to Chelsea and then gone, O'Neil went thru St George's, so did McKenna, the former already got the boot once and the latter we'll have to see
Agreed. His inflexibility was his Achilles heel.Southgate has his level, and he clearly couldn't take England to the 'promised Land', but to say he was 'shit' is a dumb take.
He clearly has strengths as a coach but also weaknesses that inevitably stopped England from reaching its final goals.
I don’t know if he’s that pragmatic. With us he refused to change his system, despite claiming again and again that he was missing his number 6, which is integral to his system. He was also extremely stubborn in his dealings with the press. And the atmosphere he instilled in the team was supposedly horrible. Which you could actually see, when we were playing. At no point did I ever get the feeling that the team enjoyed what they were supposed to do or even bought into his tactics.I'm just messing with you.
Tuchel is definitely a more pragmatic choice, but honestly, that's how I coach as well, so it appeals to me more than the other types.
Its all part of the same issue. Refusing to commit fully to 3 year plans resulting in every manager to date failing by season 3 and being sacked since Moyes. Resulting also in an imbalanced squad fully of ill suited recruitment that every boss who has had to take over from the predecessor. With no room for squad over hauls. Under INEOS is the first time we might finally get one. From thr backfroom, front office, playing staff till finally the bench of they finally decide its needed.With signings yes. With management absolutely not.
What was the reaction when Capello got the job? And is this still lingering resentment from WW2?
It’s still a cup. It’s called “The World Cup”.No.
As in the same way they play a bunch of games close together with the tournament lasting only 3-4 weeks but with 24/7 intensity and pressure, usually on foreign soil
I’m not sure I share this view.I just want you guys to have some fun again. And I don’t think Tuchel is the man to bring it back for you.
Also many posters who wanted him so badly did so for the very same reasons I wanted him at Bayern. And it was such a car crash. I just want to spare you all that same disappointment.
While I agree that it's kind of cringe to have a rivalry that only one side cares about (here's looking at you Scotland fans!). it is basically because prior to this current generation, our only half decent performances in big competitions ended in semi-final defeats to Germans in Italia 90 and Euro 96... Yeah, it would really be best if we just moved on. A lot of us are just waiting for the cohort that reads the daily mail and express to die off basically - not too long to go nowThere simply is no history of rivalry between Germany and England, which is why Germans don't care.
England feels that way towards Germany for reasons no German gets, but as established in this thread, that's very one-sided.
While I agree that it's kind of cringe to have a rivalry that only one side cares about (here's looking at you Scotland fans!). it is basically because prior to this current generation, our only half decent performances in big competitions ended in semi-final defeats to Germans in Italia 90 and Euro 96... Yeah, it would really be best if we just moved on. A lot of us are just waiting for the cohort that reads the daily mail and express to die off basically - not too long to go now
I think that too. I was talking about United.I’m not sure I share this view.
I think he’s well suited to international football. You’ll be surprised..
Oh absolutely agree then mateI think that too. I was talking about United.
Are you joking?The more I've thought about this the more of an embarrassment it is. Obviously, it started with Sven, but english football should be laughed at for not having an Englishman coach them. Goes completely against the spirt of international football. Now, i cba watching england.
Thanks for nothing FA. Useless fecks.
Why? A 'big' football country like england should have a english manager. It's an embarrassment that they don't. Don't care if the options were crap (they were ok). It's on england to produce better coaches. Defeats the point of international football.Are you joking?
They’ve just given Southgate 5 years or however more. He had no experience. They specifically said they wanted a winner of pedigree this time… there’s zero option English.Why? A 'big' football country like england should have a english manager. It's an embarrassment that they don't. Don't care if the options were crap (they were ok). It's on england to produce better coaches. Defeats the point of international football.
But why do they need a winner of pedigree. You don't have to be a big name or a winner at club level to have success at international management. They should have gone with one of Howe, potter or carsely. If they are not good enough to win a trophy then tough. We need to produce our own tuchel. English football has been shocking at producing high quliaty football managers for decades, now. And moves like this won't help with fixing that issue.They’ve just given Southgate 5 years or however more. He had no experience. They specifically said they wanted a winner of pedigree this time… there’s zero option English.