True. But the fun thing about that is that everyone knows the name of the linesman who made the wrong call (Tofiq Beramov), but not who scored it (at least I have no idea). It's more a testament to shit referee performances than to a real rivalry with England.
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Why? Because the bloke who wasn’t a proven winner couldn’t get us over the line in several tournaments.
Gary Neville another one with "why not English coach". He really is a sleazeball.
The call was correct. The ball crossed the line right in front of Roger Hunt who reacted instinctively. The scorer was Geoff Hurst who scored a hat-trick that day.
Neither could the guy who was a proven winner though
Come back to this in 10 years or so. England only just in modern times adapted how they look and play the game compared to other countries at the youth level. You're finally seeing a different type of English youth prospect in recent times that's far more technical than what was often produced a decade or so ago, and I suspect coaches will be the same way. McKenna being a good example of a potentially elite coach that isn't stuck in the old cliches of what used to be an English way of looking at the game.
For now I think it's weird how up in arms so many are getting about the appointment. You'd think for a nation so devoid of any modern success (comparitively), many of these pundits would be thrilled at hiring what is potentially the best coach on the market to finally take advantage of what many think is the most talented overall group of players the country has seen in many years. Instead many of them are getting pissy because Eddie Howe didn't get the job.
With a different set of players
Did you actually listen to what he said?
He actually questioned why the set-up hasn't been able to generate a suitable coach at the senior level, it's managed it at the levels below, that's a fair question
Replace Palm Beach with Tampa and Cuban with ” “ and that’s my actual experience.
I'm sure it's already been dicussed but curious to see if Germans, Italians, Spanish, French etc have the same approach with their managers? Do you care where they're from?
A little. To me the manager is part and face of the team. So if we are supposed to only play players in our team that are German, I think it makes sense to apply this to the manager, too. Everyone else I don’t care about.
It’s also for pragmatic reasons. Depending on coaches with your nationality forces you to adequately train young and talented coaches in your country.
I can't remember for the life of me any of those nations employing a non-national in that position, but I stand to be corrected by those more knowledgeable on the subject.
I did, but I'm still struggling to understand his point. He seems to be under the impression there is some secret sauce in coaching badges that the English don't have access to that other countries somehow do. And that elite countries have maintained the same style and tactics in their play over the decades and not adapted as football and their players have changed. The fact he has been in and around St Georges and comes out with this cack in fairness ironically does support his point.
Lets say that you and me read his quotes differently.
In one thing he is right though; England lacks coaches with specific style of play. I can't think of any English manager with recognisable style of play. Potter maybe?
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Sadly yes.
Tuchel in charge of England winning world cup and Euro double by knocking out the Germans in the final. I would love to see that.
Fairly certain that's a tiny minority, with that viewpoint being amplified by the right wing press.
That said I just think in general I'd rather the same rules which apply to the players about nationality about nationality also apply to the head coach. The manager is a fundamental part of the footballing set-up and it just kind of undermines the whole point of international football to allow candidates from overseas to take the role.
You want the success of an international team to be representative of the footballing set-up in that particular country so logically the rules on nationality should be applied to the coach as well.
I'll be happy if Tuchel has success with England, but the shine will be taken off any success knowing that we didn't achieve it with an English coach. It'd be the same feeling as if we took prime Messi and stuck him in the team and he led us to glory.
I hardly give a feck about international football but this appointment (and those in the past of Cappello & Eriksson) further strips the meaning away from it.
Germany, France, Spain etc. have hardly any instances of overseas managers leading them (randomly the only one on a quick scan I could find is a Romanian manager France had for 2 years in the 70s) and I'd find it bizarre if any of them had an English manager turn out for them. I suspect as well their respective media would go nuts about it as well.
Roy Hodgson was considered for the Germany NT job in 1998.
van Gaal was considered (or at least publicly discussed) last year, instead Nagelsmann got the job in the end. Some of his ex-players and today's pundits (like Schweinsteiger and Lahm) were advocating for him and he felt honoured. I think the public discussion in Germany also was quite open for that option, I can't remember any big outcry that he shouldn't get the job because he is Dutch, more a discussion of his qualities etc, much like it would have been for any other (German) manager who was a candidate.
He would have been the first foreigner in the job, but as he is generally highly respected in Germany it wouldn't have been a problem I think. At least the outrage appeared to be far smaller than now in England over Tuchel (but then, it was only a rumour).
This era will be fun. Already facing more scrutiny than waistcoat got in 8 years. And he hasn't even started yet
This era will be fun. Already facing more scrutiny than waistcoat got in 8 years. And he hasn't even started yet
Wtf.
This era will be fun. Already facing more scrutiny than waistcoat got in 8 years. And he hasn't even started yet
I like the guy at the end getting angry because players are “probably” being pressured to stay at their clubs. Sums up the state of journalism.
I'd say most of them are injured and there is little point playing crappy Nations League games prior to a packed December schedule for the others.
And what about Paul Pogba?
This era will be fun. Already facing more scrutiny than waistcoat got in 8 years. And he hasn't even started yet
There's a breed of middle aged journos who haven't moved with the times and seem to have lost their minds. These two are part of it, especially Cross.
You get the sense that there's a simmering rage building up in the English media over a German managing England. It's going to be fun when it all starts to unravel.
Yeah will be fun, if/when Eddie Howe is sacked by Toon and available they'll be soon calling for him
Weren't plenty of them already frothing at the mouth the day it was officially announced? Seems less like a simmering, building rage and more like they are just continually blowing a gasket over it.
It makes absolutely no sense to keep Carsley in charge for a few games before handing over to Tuchel in Jan. Had the latter started immediately, we'd have a different vibe around the camp. We'd still have the anti-German dickheads among the media and fanbase, but we'd also have a new era to look forward to, under a manager who should be chomping at the bit to get everyone together and performing.
This is hilarious! The English press will end up hounding out the best manager they’ve had in fecking years. He’s not even started yet and they’re already taking pops at him.
Yeah it's a bit of a non-issue.
I do think Tuchel should have been in charge for this camp at the very least. In the grand scheme of things, it's unlikely to be a difference maker but it would at least allow him to settle in quicker.
This is hilarious! The English press will end up hounding out the best manager they’ve had in fecking years. He’s not even started yet and they’re already taking pops at him.
Yeah hopefully they hound him out and end up with a nobody like Howe and the rest of us dont have to worry about them. Under Tuchel they could become a genuine winning machine.
Why are you like that
Why isn’t Tuchel in charge yet?
Worp kermit.
Because he likes that Bayern money.
The media are loving this, they can go back to behaving like obnoxious dickheads with absolutely no transition period.
Thank god Tuchel has shown great resilience in cases like this and doesn’t let these things get to him.
I'm looking forward to great entertainment. His press conferences should be a blast.