You only say that because the odds the German FA of hiring an Englishman are pretty much 0%. I bet the mood would change if it was a real possibility.
Thomas Tuchel | England Manager
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Not really. If the situation would become so dire, that an English manager appears as the best option, he would be welcomed as the saviour of German football and put under so much pressure that he wouldn't survive it for long, but he would be welcomed.
This is a great point. I do find it odd that a great English manager hasn’t emerged since Sir Bobby Robson. Do you believe that is a lack of patience amongst the media and fans that makes it a near impossible task to come up as an English manager? At the very least there are bright managers coming up like McKenna who could change the narrative.
Would be funny if England got by far the hardest draws they've gotten in a decade and perform "worse" by losing in, say, a semi-final against Spain after having already knocked out a Germany or Argentina, and people realize the true value of Southgate - his incredible luck.
Could they have said it from 2001 to 2006 or from 2007 to 2012 when two foreigners were in charge of the squad? It's not like this is even the first time this happened, making this outcry even weirder. The only reason anybody can see this as a crossing of the Rubicon, a "dark day for England", or anything of that sort, is if they are so subscribed to that onesided rivalry that somehow Swedes and Italians are fine, but Germans are not. Capello and Eriksson certainly didn't seem to bother English football enough to overhaul their manager education system in the past two decades.
Like, I get your point about it being supposed to be pitting one country's system against another originally, but that has not been true for a very long time now. Many countries field players who might have the pass, but have barely ever been to the nation they play for, having received much or all of their footballing education and everyday training in other nations. And even those playing in their own nations in many cases learn from foreign managers and coaches. So how "national" is a national team, really?
Foreign managers aren't really any worse than that, in my opinion. Other countries and England themselves have employed foreigners for quite a while.
McKenna although born in London, was raised in and represented Northern Ireland at youth level.
I refer you to my previous point where the Daily Mail reaction has nothing do with the management discussion but more to do with Xenophobia.
genuinely excited for this
It would be a step up if he could create a functional midfield against decent sides.
Germans smash up Malaga (or some other place in Spain)
Delighted with this appointment.
Horrified at that Daily Mail back page.
Horrified at that Daily Mail back page.
Impressive that he's already persuaded his countrymen to take up our national pastime
Sometimes a picture says more than words:
It applies to most questions in this rivalry, minus the deeper meaning in the show.
Thomas Tuchel's Tough Task
I think this is the best England could've possibly done and should be an exciting time if you're an English supporter or player. You might actually play like a proper "team" now, egos notwithstanding. Southgate did well building a good culture but he also had the benefit of not being challenged at any point from within the dressing room because most of the players under him were young and hadn't really achieved anything. It's a bit different now, the expectations are a whole lot different now and I think that's going to be Tuchel's biggest challenge and not the actual tactics, where he's clearly far superior to Southgate.
I like Tuchel so this might be the first time I actually root for England in a World Cup since the days of Beckham. I can also picture myself listening to Sam Matterface or Darren "Fletch" Fletcher purring for five minutes about some dumb six yard pass by (insert English flavour of that week) and changing my mind very quickly.
I like Tuchel so this might be the first time I actually root for England in a World Cup since the days of Beckham. I can also picture myself listening to Sam Matterface or Darren "Fletch" Fletcher purring for five minutes about some dumb six yard pass by (insert English flavour of that week) and changing my mind very quickly.
He Is better than most International managers as far as I know.
However, I do have doubts about his ST choices with Chupo Moting, Aubameyang, Lukaku & a title losing Kane.
Will he stick with Kane even if he looks crap in 3 years time? What if he chooses someone like Watkins permanently as his no1 striker?
I also think his UCL final win was a little lucky but he has managed to get some clubs to semi finals aswell.
A great appointment but still not got some tingling doubts like a bit of dandruff on a newwashed-outhair. Hope for the best.
However, I do have doubts about his ST choices with Chupo Moting, Aubameyang, Lukaku & a title losing Kane.
Will he stick with Kane even if he looks crap in 3 years time? What if he chooses someone like Watkins permanently as his no1 striker?
I also think his UCL final win was a little lucky but he has managed to get some clubs to semi finals aswell.
A great appointment but still not got some tingling doubts like a bit of dandruff on a newwashed-outhair. Hope for the best.
He's going to coach a WC then likely go back to club football. Useful to rebuild his stock + cushy, high paying and significantly less stressful job. Not so surprising honestly. It would have been surprising had he actually picked it over United, for example
Weird question
Sure he is, that doesn't change the fact that he's coming off back-to-back sackings and his stock is at an all-time low, post Bayern
Some journos in Italy want to claim him and pretend he's any good. And he certainly plays up his Italianism with our media. But yeah, feck that, he's all yours. Even his name says so!
What next the royal family? German king?
How did they work that one out, I mean he never even worked in Italy, did he?
Not that anyone would fight over the bragging rights to him - he's a mediocre coach by both countries's standards, isn't he?
I'm sure it was spoken about at the time, but what was the general reaction to Wiegman being appointed as England's women's manager? It's a non-issue now, given how she's done. I do understand the preference for an English manager but the outrage has been over the top imo.
If he wins the WC, no one will care that he's German and even if he takes a club job after the World Cup, he would be considered a legend in England. Capello doesn't have the same respect but Sven was a very respected figure given how he went about the role.
If he wins the WC, no one will care that he's German and even if he takes a club job after the World Cup, he would be considered a legend in England. Capello doesn't have the same respect but Sven was a very respected figure given how he went about the role.
It helps that their players no longer spit at ours or whipe their arses with our Nationaltrikot.
Doesn't Charles have a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors already?
I’ve seen more non English people bothered by this than actually English people. Bizarre. Why do people care? Scared of our brave young lions?
Because its Comin Ome, innit.
I find it really ironic that Neville and Carragher find it embarrassing that England have to hire a foreign coach for the national team to be successful when they have no problem with neither United nor Liverpool having very many Englishmen in their starting lineups.
I’m really excited by this appointment. Not an Englishman myself, but have always had a soft spot for them with the big overlap with United players (Beckham’s free kick vs Greece and Owen’s goal vs Argentina are randomly some of my favourite memories).
I watched the recent Euros final in a pub where most were supporting England and it was quite sad how few the moments were for people to get excited.
There is a strong squad here and a lot of creative players who Southgate struggled to use effectively, yet even then the team was in two major finals. Marginal improvements needed here IMO to take them over the line and I am pretty optimistic about Tuchel delivering on that.
I watched the recent Euros final in a pub where most were supporting England and it was quite sad how few the moments were for people to get excited.
There is a strong squad here and a lot of creative players who Southgate struggled to use effectively, yet even then the team was in two major finals. Marginal improvements needed here IMO to take them over the line and I am pretty optimistic about Tuchel delivering on that.
I don't think it was Tuchel, I think it was this guy
Isn't that Dua Lipa?
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Yes. For England it is a really good appointment.
Do I care if Tuchel is German. Absolutely not.
Do I care that he is a top top coach. Yes definitely.
I just wish that he had been appointed as United coach.
But alas not to be.
So the next best thing is that he is now the coach of the English national team.
Good post.
I mean he's a first generation german-italian, speaks italian, to hear him talk considers himself italian before german too
But, yeah, Domenico the German is all yours
I saw a post on Twitter which said no one wants the English team to fail more than the English media and that is correct. There seems to more meltdowns and now articles about Tuchel's private life, fecking scumbags, the lot of them. This Xenophobia against anyone foreign stems from our politics.
I am absolutely baffled by the media frenzy this has caused and negativity. I just don't get it
If it was Klopp the same people be wanking themselves into a coma
If it was Klopp the same people be wanking themselves into a coma
Great appointment.
This is not just a British media thing.
Romanes eunt domus ?
. I searched this on youtube. So catchy song. I must say; Brits have best (and funniest) chants.I mean he's a first generation german-italian, speaks italian, to hear him talk considers himself italian before german too
But, yeah, Domenico the German is all yours
I don't really care what he identifies as on a personal level, I was talking about his function as a coach, where every bit of work experience and training happened in another country.
Wait....what i am missing here? England just got top class manager and people and media are unhappy?
Wtf? Because he is German? Is it possible? No, it can't be that.
Wtf? Because he is German? Is it possible? No, it can't be that.
How is it xenophobia against anyone foreign, when they welcomed the idea of pursuing Pep?
Sounds more like the standard English inferiority complex towards Germany specifically.
I wouldn’t worry what the English media write personally. The bar is rather low.