What has the reaction been in Germany to this, if any?
Thomas Tuchel | England Manager
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Isn't the objective to find a coach who provides the best chance of winning?
There are far more foreign coaches capable of producing that outcome than English ones. Yet there seems to be widespread disgust in the media that England have gone down the foreign route.
Even if they were determined to appoint an English coach, the recent examples countries having success with coaches from their own nation were de la Fuente for Spain and Scaloni for Argentina.
I might've understood the argument slightly more of there was a big push for Carsley as the English equivalent but the press have been turning their nose up at him as well.
No, absolutely not. I mentioned it elsewhere, the ‘rivalry’ between England and Germany is extremely one-sided. As long as the coach speaks German, hardly anyone would care what passport he has.
About as one sided as the West Ham - Manchester United rivalry
Neh it really wouldn’t.
Chuffed with this tbf
Always rated Him as a manager but there was alway those rumoured floors in his personality, who doesn’t have though?
I think this will be great for England
An English manager would have been nice of course, I do think ideal it should be an Englishman that leads the nations football team, but I’m not strung up on it and actually like Tuchel
Always rated Him as a manager but there was alway those rumoured floors in his personality, who doesn’t have though?
I think this will be great for England
An English manager would have been nice of course, I do think ideal it should be an Englishman that leads the nations football team, but I’m not strung up on it and actually like Tuchel
Ah I see. Fair enough. Knowing those publications, I agree with you that they knew what they were doing. Horrible people.
Last country to win the World Cup with s foreign manager was in 1958. However the last time a European country won the Euro Cup with a foreign manager was Greece 2004, who coincidentally had a German manager at the time.
Was that a fake photo to make fun of the Daily Mail?
Even the worst German tabloid is making fun of the English press: https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...keinen-thomas-tuchel-670f1e98b3637d7cb5b6c8ff
It really would not. They dont care like you lot.
he doesn’t start until january. he’s got the best part of two months to prove he’s english enough by smashing up a balearic island and getting a load of packet in for the lads.
That’s one side to it, the other side to it is that there is a spirit and essence to international football that is supposed be the best of ours vs the best of yours. International football is meant to test a country’s system, footballing culture and line of production against the rest. The Spanish, Italians, Germans all look for that and always seem to have people running their team that represent what their footballing heritage stands for even if the man in charge is qualified on paper. England going down this route is a cop out and a humbling admission that they can’t create a system that produces good candidates similar to what countries of their calibre or lower produce and win with on a regular basis. No country has ever won the WC with a foreign manager and only Greece did it in the Euros, there is a reason for that.
It wouldn’t even be a discussion in Germany. Ive seen reporters yesterday from Germany almost feeling sorry for England as in is it really that bad for you lot that you’re okay with this. They don’t care in Germany because they know it will never happen.
Which is a fair question to ask, and it certainly should be explored why England is apparently currently incapable of producing upper tier managers who would be suitable. But it does not change the current reality, so the choice is either to go with the Southgates of the current crop, or to look abroad for somebody who can lead the squad to a title. Apparently quite a few people would rather be nationalists about their football team's manager rather than see them get a great manager. Which I guess is a choice one can make, but I find it rather self-sabotaging. Especially with people and media blowing a fuse because "errmagerd it's a German", because the entire rivalry is so ridiculously onesided.
Quick Wiki check says it’s never happened. The 1958 tournament was won by Brazil and managed by Brazilian Vicente Feola.
As taboos are being broken to get the best candidate for the job, maybe we could get Javier Milei to run the country so we become more prosperous and have a functioning housing market (ownership & rental).
I stand corrected—mixed up the positions of Bela Guttmann with Vicente Feola. So basically no teams in history won it with a foreign manager. Bad news for English fans I suppose.
It’s quite a remarkable stat in some ways. Obviously picking foreign managers probably wasn’t done much in the early decades of international tournaments, but still.
The 2004 Euro example is not only the last time, but also the only time it’s happened for that tournament.
That's your business and thats okay. Personally, I just don't view with any seriousness the view keeping ETH was done on a whim nor that replacing him should be done on one either. The likes of Tuchel aren't coaching United because they were not seen as ideal for the INEOS master plan as compared to ETH. I'm pretty sure they have who they want next in mind and that person isn't available yet. So ETH stays as the front office above him fully settles into their role. Nothing they are doing is based on short termism
, not going to take this off topic here but I'm sorry that guy is batshit crazy and I'm not sure Argentina feels prosperous right now.Didn’t know that but I’m not surprised.
They used to say you're not a manager until you've been sacked, even SAF got sacked at some point!
I think its the perfect job for Tuchel.
A cup competition specialists, knows how to win in tournament football with his pragmatic approach. Sometimes, that is what you need as an international manager.
All in all good appointment for England.
Just dont see why English media always crying.
A cup competition specialists, knows how to win in tournament football with his pragmatic approach. Sometimes, that is what you need as an international manager.
All in all good appointment for England.
Just dont see why English media always crying.
Not sure the Dutch - German one has toned down yet
I suppose it’s easy for me as a non Englishman as I haven’t experienced the starvation of success England has suffered. I myself don’t think England produce the intellectual capital capable of success at the highest but it’s almost one of those “I might think so but you shouldn’t say it, back yourself up or even better have the pride to develop that and trust that it will sustain you more”. As I said, I can’t relate to the average English fan in terms of just how much they want that trophy, and there is literally nothing else I feel nationalistic about, but international football for always felt like a celebration of one’s football culture and how they see the game. Brazil, Spain, Italy… etc won things that vilidated their football culture. Can England say the same if they win now?
So we can not win it with a foreign manager, as opposed to not winning it with an English one..
If it means anything to you, we Americans are out of the running too.
Genuinely a “nottheonion” moment
I’m not sure what more could be said of the Daily Mail so I’ve decided to find it amusing.So Southgate was about on par with pretty much every other England manager then
I get the sentiment regarding Potter but it's disingenuous to be mentioning Eddie Howe. He's currently employed, possibly not even interested in the role, so the idea that we could have poached Howe from Newcastle or waited until the end of the season to get him is a bit fanciful.
Maybe Potter should have got the job, but he's the only available credible candidate out there. He might even want to stay in club football for all we know. It's a lot of fuss in my opinion over Potter. Appointing Carsley, Lampard or Gerrard because they're English would just be hampering your chances.
Maybe Potter should have got the job, but he's the only available credible candidate out there. He might even want to stay in club football for all we know. It's a lot of fuss in my opinion over Potter. Appointing Carsley, Lampard or Gerrard because they're English would just be hampering your chances.
I'd say mostly neutral. It's news, but not news people have strong feelings about. Curiosity how it will turn out mostly. After all it's neither new or exceptional to see a German manager abroad, it happens all the time. Right now we have:
Ralf Rangnick (Austria)
Franco Foda (Kosovo)
Michael Nees (Simbabwe)
Gernot Rohr (Benin)
Torsten Spittler (Ruanda)
Konrad Fünfstück (Liechtenstein - btw, greatest Surname ever, translates literally as "five pieces", but could also mean "five goals" in the context of football)
Domenico Tedesco (Belgium)
Thomas Tuchel (England)
While most are curious cases and I wasn't aware of some of them until I looked it up just now, I think Rangnickgenerates roughly as much interest in his role in Germany as Tuchel will in England and maybe Tedesco a bit less. Rangnick simply due to the amount of Austrian players in the German Bundesliga, in that sense Austrian football has much stronger ties to German football than England has - after all there currently is just Harry Kane playing in Germany and for England.
If you see comments, it is mostly that this is a good choice for England, some also ask that it's questionable why there are no English top managers (like most of English media do I think).
England fans have wanted a manager who is tactically astute for years. They finally have one. Now, the problem is he is German.
It definitely has. The hatred that surrounded that for decades is simply gone.
Dan Ashworth and England DNA spinning in their grave.
Yeah pretty terrible when you put it like that
He had the luck of far easier draws in competitions than previous England managers and failed to take advantage of that luck. It could also be argued previous managers came up against a number of better quality International teams whereas during Southgate's tenure, aside from maybe 1 or 2 teams, there was certainly a lack of absolute top quality teams. Yet he still failed.
People need to start separating the fans and the media (or certain elements of it). There is an absolute difference between fans who on the whole seem pleased with the appointment and certain elements of the media who are stupid.