Too good a player to turn down if available, it's that simple really.
Thomas Müller
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You'd have to be mad not to want Muller to sign with us. He's a wonderful player, and would be a perfect goalscoring wide player for us in an attack like this, with Januzaj as the classic, Jesus Navas-esque pacey winger off the bench:
---------Rooney/RVP---------
Muller------Kagawa------Mata
I doubt Bayern let him go, though, and he might not want to come here, but we can offer him Van Gaal, a starting spot and tons of cash.
---------Rooney/RVP---------
Muller------Kagawa------Mata
I doubt Bayern let him go, though, and he might not want to come here, but we can offer him Van Gaal, a starting spot and tons of cash.
Seriously? His record in the CL would surely tell you more than what some people on the radio are saying: 21 goals in his CL career which puts him in the top 50 European Cup/CL all-time scorers at just 24 years old, with a higher goals per game rate than the likes of Rooney, van Persie and Eto'o. He's scored 13 CL goals in the last two seasons (a goal every 134 mins) and if he continues at this rate he'll be in the top 20 at the age of 26. In the last two seasons only Lewandowski, Messi and Ronaldo have scored more CL goals. On top of that he was one CL final goal away from scoring a goal against every team he played against in the CL last year.
He's incredibly productive and on top of that he's the perfect team player. None of that requires any kind of in-depth analysis of these mysterious subtle intricacies of his game. It's right there to see, clear as day. He scores and creates consistently and tends to do so in big games. Last season he had a goal and assist in the German cup final, two goals and an assist in the semi finals against Barca, a goal in the quarter finals against Juventus, a goal in the last 16 against Arsenal and one goal each against every team in the CL group stages.
I won't bother mentioning his record in the CL seeing as you don't seem to think much of it but his Bundesliga record says a hell of a lot more than some people on the radio IMO. And none of that really touches on some of the things that make Muller a bit special.
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He had a pretty special world cup as well. The first group game against Australia was only his 3rd game for the nationalteam, yet he finished the tournament with 5 goals and 3 assists and his suspension in the semi final really hurt our chances against Spain 
. The youngest Golden Boot winner since Pelé.
I'm also surprised that people call him slow. Has everyone forgotten how he destroyed England on the counter? 1 assist and 2 goals, if I remember correctly.
. The youngest Golden Boot winner since Pelé.I'm also surprised that people call him slow. Has everyone forgotten how he destroyed England on the counter? 1 assist and 2 goals, if I remember correctly.
I don't think he's slow at all. I think he's top quality, if not world class then just short of that level.
His not as flashy as the other world class players, and even less flashy than players who are inferior to him overall. For that reason, there is a view he is overrated.
I think players like him are very 'complete' and are bound to be singled out sometimes due to their lack of speciality.
I think players like him are very 'complete' and are bound to be singled out sometimes due to their lack of speciality.
Müller is quality, but you really don't need to be anything special to destroy England. They barely made it out of a piss poor group.He had a pretty special world cup as well. The first group game against Australia was only his 3rd game for the nationalteam, yet he finished the tournament with 5 goals and 3 assists and his suspension in the semi final really hurt our chances against Spain
I'm also surprised that people call him slow. Has everyone forgotten how he destroyed England on the counter? 1 assist and 2 goals, if I remember correctly.
Yes. I think so. He scored twice against City, 2 against Arsenal and once against United in the last 14 months, too. 3 times Barcelona, Juventus. His list is prominent. He does not like to score against the small teams - above was mentioned that only Messi, CR7 and Lewandowski probably scored more goals in the CL in the last 2 seasons - I guess if you just take goals against the Top5 leagues there might not be anyone who was better...
Since I despise nothing more than diving and complaining players, Müller is among the top 3 of my most hated players.
Limiting perspectives to a performance level, though, I consider him a class act. He's not elegant, he has no flair, he's not the most technically gifted player or the one with the most impressive tricks - but one of the most efficient, versatile, and intuitive midfielders around. If you get LvG and have a chance to sign Müller, go for him. And teach him to stop diving and complaining!
Limiting perspectives to a performance level, though, I consider him a class act. He's not elegant, he has no flair, he's not the most technically gifted player or the one with the most impressive tricks - but one of the most efficient, versatile, and intuitive midfielders around. If you get LvG and have a chance to sign Müller, go for him. And teach him to stop diving and complaining!
Tough to argue with you here lad. Personally I'm baffled by the people who are against us signing him. Pure arrogance.
Funny that a fan of a team with Reus and Hoffmann etc. blames other players of diving...
Show me one dive of Müller... If there would be any you would find it...
And complaining - he never got a yellow card for it. So he seems to be atleast civilized...
Me and my mate were discussing him a few weeks back. We both agreed that he's a world class player, who isn't actually world class at anything in particular. He's just very good at everything, which is what makes him such a great player. He's fantastic, which is why I can't see him leaving Bayern. If he did become available...break the bank Woody.
Not to mention utter stupidity. If we signed Muller (very unlikely unfortunately), he would be one of our most exciting signings of all time.
He is pure class and his productivity is brilliant. I'm a massive fan of Muller.
There are tons of Müller dives, sorry. More intersting though is that you judge on me though not knowing my opinion on Durm or Hofmann. I despise their behavior as much as I despise Reus', Müller's, Robben's, Ribery's, Götze's, Diego's, Neymar's, ... I don't care if the player plays for Dortmund, Germany, or any other team. I simply sespise it.
The fact that Müller isn't booked for his complaining is not at all proving that he's no complainer. It just shows that he gets away with while others don't. Gustavo is a brilliant example of how players' behaviors are treated whether they play for Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg, or Bayern. You'll see that it'll be the same with Lewandowski next season.
Even within Bayern there seems to be a difference whether Ribery or Rafinha hit/grab opponent players' faces or Boateng: the first ones are supported and defended by Sammer, the latter is fined ...
Müller's constant complaining is annoying, I agree with that. Don't think it deserves a yellow though, he's usually doing it when he was involved and stops soon enough. But he's clearly moaning too much, when he doesn't get a decision. I really don't get why people complain about him diving though. He rarely does it, if at all. Whenever he goes down, there usually is a reason for it, even though it isn't always a foul. He's not feigning injuries either. And he's pretty honest in the post-match interview.
Gustavo's problem at Hoffenheim was and now at Wolfsburg is that he tries too much, he wants to be a leader and goes over the top with everything he does. He's back to his stupid self. At Bayern, he just did his job quietly and rarely acted like an idiot, that was the reason why he collected less yellow and red cards.
I don't think that's fair. He is world class in his movement and positioning, and is probably one of the most clinical second striker/right wingers around. I do agree that everything else about him is just 'very good'.
Yeah I'd agree with that. I think what we were getting at is that it's the less obvious things (like you say, movement, positioning) that he's brilliant at. One of the most intelligent attacking players in the world IMO.
Muller to Manchester United gets front page on Monday's Bild
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ester-united-gets-front-page-on-monday-s-bild
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That is why he is one of my favorite players in the world to watch. Would love to have him here.
...........Rooney............
Kagawa...Mata...Muller
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Kagawa...Mata...Muller
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I can't see Muller to leave Bayern just to join us and Van Gaal. He has been there for so long since youth. And he has no games issue with Bayern or Pep.
But I'll welcome him with gladly if he joins us.
Welbeck RVP Muller. Sound a good trio in 433 Van Gaal formation.
But I'll welcome him with gladly if he joins us.
Welbeck RVP Muller. Sound a good trio in 433 Van Gaal formation.
Seriously guys? 
He has a contract until 2017, is a fan favorite and loves the club and despite all the talk about how he doesn't get enough playing time, the truth is, he started in 3 of the 4 CL games against United and Real, he started both games against City, the UEFA super cup against Chelsea and the away game against Dortmund in the first half of the season. I don't buy into this 'he's unhappy because he doesn't play enough' nonsense. He started most of the big games and overall around 75% of all our games and he rarely was an used sub, when he was on the bench.
I really can't see him leave Munich at the moment, even if a big club in Europe made a tempting offer. I don't think there's a football player around who's more settled down in his private life. He started breeding horses a few years ago together with his wife (he was 19 when he married his longterm girlfriend) and has a horse farm near Munich. They invest a lot of time in it and talk about it quite often, it's clearly very important to him. I can't see him leaving that behind for a different club, while he's that successful at Bayern.
He has a contract until 2017, is a fan favorite and loves the club and despite all the talk about how he doesn't get enough playing time, the truth is, he started in 3 of the 4 CL games against United and Real, he started both games against City, the UEFA super cup against Chelsea and the away game against Dortmund in the first half of the season. I don't buy into this 'he's unhappy because he doesn't play enough' nonsense. He started most of the big games and overall around 75% of all our games and he rarely was an used sub, when he was on the bench.
I really can't see him leave Munich at the moment, even if a big club in Europe made a tempting offer. I don't think there's a football player around who's more settled down in his private life. He started breeding horses a few years ago together with his wife (he was 19 when he married his longterm girlfriend) and has a horse farm near Munich. They invest a lot of time in it and talk about it quite often, it's clearly very important to him. I can't see him leaving that behind for a different club, while he's that successful at Bayern.
feck off Balu, let us dream.
In all seriousness though, it looks like he's not happy with the fact that Gotze is earning more than him and is spreading rumors in order to get a pay raise. Seems to be a great strategy by the agents to link players with Man Utd in order to get a pay raise.
I let you dream about Robben and stopped posting in the Kroos thread a long time ago. You can't have Müller though, nope. I won't even let you dream.
I'd be shattered if United got Muller, he's been one of my favourite non Arsenal players since the World Cup. Even when he was acting like a cnut against us last year.
Seriously guys?
He has a contract until 2017, is a fan favorite and loves the club and despite all the talk about how he doesn't get enough playing time, the truth is, he started in 3 of the 4 CL games against United and Real, he started both games against City, the UEFA super cup against Chelsea and the away game against Dortmund in the first half of the season. I don't buy into this 'he's unhappy because he doesn't play enough' nonsense. He started most of the big games and overall around 75% of all our games and he rarely was an used sub, when he was on the bench.
I really can't see him leave Munich at the moment, even if a big club in Europe made a tempting offer. I don't think there's a football player around who's more settled down in his private life. He started breeding horses a few years ago together with his wife (he was 19 when he married his longterm girlfriend) and has a horse farm near Munich. They invest a lot of time in it and talk about it quite often, it's clearly very important to him. I can't see him leaving that behind for a different club, while he's that successful at Bayern.
He may or may not come to us but as anyone would have guessed there is some disharmony in the camp because of so many top players fighting for positions in the starting XI at Bayern. Top talent wants to be in the starting line-up week in and week out, which is not possible with only XI allowed to be on the pitch at one time.
Don't you think some of them will be considering their futures at Bayern?
I expect Mandzukic and Shaqiri to leave in the summer. Depending on Pep's longterm plans and the players available in the market, Kroos could leave as well, but that's it. No one else will go.
That would leave us with Lewandowski, Müller, Ribery, Robben, Götze, (Pizarro, if he stays for another year) for the 3 attacking positions in a 433. Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Thiago, Kroos, Rode in midfield. Maybe we'll see Rode at rightback and Lahm as a permanent midfielder, if Kroos is sold. Hardly overkill, especially if you consider how often Robben, Götze, Schweinsteiger and Thiago are injured and that the season after a worldcup usually means the players are significantly more tired than after a full summer break.
Of course it could change if we buy another big name in attack, but I can't see that happening at the moment. The most important thing is to decide on Lahm's position and then build the team accordingly. If he's a midfielder, we need a quality rightback. No more shifting around from one week to the next. All those tactical changes in the second half of the season completely destroyed the team chemistry we had in the first half of the season.
Fair enough. I do think that the Götze reports are frivolous and he'll have a big role to play in Pep's set-up next season. Six is hardly an over kill, the problem arises when all 6 are top class players, who all expect to start every week and in big games.
I personally think that it is going to be an interesting summer and there could be a possibility to price away one or two of these top players from Bayern. By the way, not necessarily by United.
Bild says we tried to sign Muller last summer too? Jesus, what an inept summer that was.
This is my view as well. And honestly, the more it drags on, the less confident I feel of Kroos signing a new contract and I could really see him leave. I know Mandzukic has said he won't be leaving but I'm not sure if he would be willing to stay and fight for a spot with Lewandowski. Same goes for Shaqiri, who although I really like, I don't feel he has a future with us.
Muller though, no chance he is leaving. He is one of those players you feel has to wear only one shirt throughout his career. I just can't imagine him leaving Bayern.
Bild says we tried to sign Muller last summer too? Jesus, what an inept summer that was.
How the hell did we 'try' and sign so many players and end up with Fellaini and nothing else?
Now you've done it.
Bild says we tried to sign Muller last summer too? Jesus, what an inept summer that was.
France Football had a big interview with Moyes in spring 2013 in which he told that his favourite player was Müller, that he for sure cannot get him for a club like Everton, how he watches his play and that he tries to learn his runnings to the Everton forwards.
So it did not really surprise when Kicker told in a little paragraph in June that Bayern had received a request for a Müller transfer...
Thomas Müller:
164 Bundesliga games: 58 goals and 61 assists.
60 CL games: 21 goals and 13 assists.
25 Pokal(our FA Cup) games: 17 goals and 13 assists.
10 world cup quali games and 10 euro quali games: 7 goals and 13 assists.
6 world cup games: 5 goals and 3 assists.
best scorer in our treble season, best scorer at a world cup
3 time Bundesliga champion
CL winner
2 time Pokal winner(could be 3 in 2 weeks)
a treble
3 CL finals with 23, 4 CL semis with 24, world cup and euro semis
10 titles with Bayern overall
For me the smartest attacking player on earth and that with 24!!
could and should end up as one of the best ever
in short: he would have a starting spot in my world eleven
P.S. there is no way we let him go(I hope and pray)
P.S.P.S. Not the greatest ball technique but neither so far off it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju3AMycJinE
164 Bundesliga games: 58 goals and 61 assists.
60 CL games: 21 goals and 13 assists.
25 Pokal(our FA Cup) games: 17 goals and 13 assists.
10 world cup quali games and 10 euro quali games: 7 goals and 13 assists.
6 world cup games: 5 goals and 3 assists.
best scorer in our treble season, best scorer at a world cup
3 time Bundesliga champion
CL winner
2 time Pokal winner(could be 3 in 2 weeks)
a treble
3 CL finals with 23, 4 CL semis with 24, world cup and euro semis
10 titles with Bayern overall
For me the smartest attacking player on earth and that with 24!!
could and should end up as one of the best ever
in short: he would have a starting spot in my world eleven
P.S. there is no way we let him go(I hope and pray)
P.S.P.S. Not the greatest ball technique but neither so far off it:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju3AMycJinE
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all the stats suggest that hes a gifted player. he always comes up with crucial goals because his movement is amazing. schweini once famously said, 'even mueller doesnt know where mueller is going', while praising his runs, which are hard to track. but in my opinion, we shouldnt buy him. he's neither technically exceptional, nor is he a type of player who would get past two or three to create a goal. i like to think hes the german pedro, the 'right place at the right time' kind of player who can finish exceptionally well but doesnt add significantly to the way the team plays. United, uncharacteristically, have a dearth of quality wingers in the squad. we need to address this. a player like reus, draxler, greizmann who can play as a winger/right or left forward would be more suited to united. mueller wont suit our style of football or our philosophy imo.
It is very simple if we get LVG as a coach there is a chance we can get Müller and if there is a chance we can get Müller we shouldn't turn it down but pull everything out of our closet to get him.
The only way Müller will leave Bayern for us is if he is unhappy with Pep as a coach. I could imagine this to be true, since many Bayern fans and important club figures aren't overly fond of Peps football style. On top of that Müller is right to fear for his playing chances since he'll be up against serious competition: Ribery, Robben, Götze, Lewandowski and Mandzukic. If it is his desire to play under LVG again and have more guarantees of playing time than a transfer is likely to happen but only if the player is willing to say this to the Bayern board. If he puts in a transfer request with Karl Heinz Rummeninge and we make a serious offer in the region of £35m than I could see them accepting this.
Bayerns philosphy about player transfers is simple, they don't let anyone go unless they really don't need them anymore or unless the player is unhappy and tells the board he wants to leave. If a player puts in a transfer request then Bayern usually cooperate because they feel they owe this to their players (and they pride thmselves in doing so). Müller or any other Bayern player won't be kept there against their will, but they have to express the fact they want to leave before bayern will accept any kind of offers (same for Kroos tbh). So if Müller really wants to play under LVG, then this can happen but if it is a trick to get a better contract or something, he won't come (same with Kroos).
The only way Müller will leave Bayern for us is if he is unhappy with Pep as a coach. I could imagine this to be true, since many Bayern fans and important club figures aren't overly fond of Peps football style. On top of that Müller is right to fear for his playing chances since he'll be up against serious competition: Ribery, Robben, Götze, Lewandowski and Mandzukic. If it is his desire to play under LVG again and have more guarantees of playing time than a transfer is likely to happen but only if the player is willing to say this to the Bayern board. If he puts in a transfer request with Karl Heinz Rummeninge and we make a serious offer in the region of £35m than I could see them accepting this.
Bayerns philosphy about player transfers is simple, they don't let anyone go unless they really don't need them anymore or unless the player is unhappy and tells the board he wants to leave. If a player puts in a transfer request then Bayern usually cooperate because they feel they owe this to their players (and they pride thmselves in doing so). Müller or any other Bayern player won't be kept there against their will, but they have to express the fact they want to leave before bayern will accept any kind of offers (same for Kroos tbh). So if Müller really wants to play under LVG, then this can happen but if it is a trick to get a better contract or something, he won't come (same with Kroos).
I really love this blog:
http://www.goalimpact.com/2014/05/goalimpact-machine-thomas-muller-mover.html
Müller, the hidden MVP.
http://www.goalimpact.com/2014/05/goalimpact-machine-thomas-muller-mover.html
Müller, the hidden MVP.
Seriously guys?
He has a contract until 2017, is a fan favorite and loves the club and despite all the talk about how he doesn't get enough playing time, the truth is, he started in 3 of the 4 CL games against United and Real, he started both games against City, the UEFA super cup against Chelsea and the away game against Dortmund in the first half of the season. I don't buy into this 'he's unhappy because he doesn't play enough' nonsense. He started most of the big games and overall around 75% of all our games and he rarely was an used sub, when he was on the bench.
I really can't see him leave Munich at the moment, even if a big club in Europe made a tempting offer. I don't think there's a football player around who's more settled down in his private life. He started breeding horses a few years ago together with his wife (he was 19 when he married his longterm girlfriend) and has a horse farm near Munich. They invest a lot of time in it and talk about it quite often, it's clearly very important to him. I can't see him leaving that behind for a different club, while he's that successful at Bayern.
Quite.
Can't see him coming unless he can't resist a Rooney style wage.