He's an incredible player. Lacks pace, but easily makes up for that with his intelligence. I read a while ago Barcelona were meant to be interested in him.
Thomas Müller
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It's pretty standard to have 2 players for each position. The squad consists of 25 players with 3 of them being goalkeepers. Not unreasonable to have 10 players in those 5 positions. You're only missing Kagawa and Hernandez. But yes, it's pretty obvious someone will be sold. Preferably Young is one of them. Shouldn't be hard to sell him to some English club.
I think the club will get as many players this summer as they'll sell/release.
He's a great player and one you'd think would last well into his thirties. His lack of pace is a big weakness but it's also pretty much his only weakness. There are few players that are better than him off the ball.
Don't think he'd fit into United's current squad. Up front we're too slow already.
For one, some of Valencia, Nani and Young are probably going to be sold regardless of who we sign. Second, we don't really have to worry too much about them, Januzaj or Welbeck anyway as you wouldn't expect them to be first teamers, they'd be squad player.
It'd really be about fitting Rooney, Mata, RvP, Kagawa and Muller into the one team. However, out of that group Muller would certainly be the best fit for the right sided attacking position. In fact I'd suggest we'd have a vacancy there anyway as anyone else we might play there is either a) not good enough or b) far better in another position.
The point about our lack of pace is a good one, someone like Reus would be a far better fit imo. I just think it's weird that everyone is so quick to turn down Muller when he'd clearly be one of our best players if we got him.
Class player. Absolutely mental that some of you don't want him. I'd be over the moon if we managed to get him, Shaw and Carvalho this summer. I imagine we'll be playing a 433 next season and him and Welbeck either side of Rooney or Van Persie would be a great front line, certainly more balanced than anything we could currently put out. His versatility makes it a no brainer for me.
We really have been spoilt if we're turning our noses up at a player like Muller.
We really have been spoilt if we're turning our noses up at a player like Muller.
first Cavani now Müller and people go apeshit. Whats the problem with having depth lads? ffs grow up. The more top players we have the better. I swear to god most of you are only worried about Welbeck getting games.Just no.
But where does he fit in? If we were to sacrifice one of Kagawa or Mata for this lad, then I go will apeshit crazy.
Mata, Kagawa, Januzaj?
Didn't Guardiola say Muller is the most intelligent player he's ever worked with? Don't think he'd be so eager to get rid of him.
I was actually thinking Mata or Kagawa could play just ahead of any two two from Carvalho/Fellaini/Fletcher/Carrick. Januzaj isn't ready to play every game yet, but he could replace Kagawa/Mata or Welbeck/Muller if need be. Two players for each position sounds about right to me.
__________________De Gea/Lindergaard______________________
Rafael/Varela____ Evans/Jones ___Smalling/Keane? ______Evra/Shaw
______________Fellaini/Carrick/___Fletcher/Carvalho_____________
______________________Mata/Kagawa________________________
Muller/Valencia__________ Rooney/RVP ___________Welbeck/Januzaj
I didn't realize Muller was so hated here, I guess he could take Ashley Young's place if we bought him. It doesn't seem that long ago the Caf loved him and wished he was buyable.
No, he said that about Lahm.
No, he said that about Lahm.
A right-sided midfielder, whether it be a player such as Lucas, Reus - he can play there - Muller, Sanchez or Pedro, would be right at the top of my priorities after left back and central midfield.
Players get injured, players lose form. Replacing dross like Young and upgrading him with talent like Muller is hardly the worst idea in the world.
Players get injured, players lose form. Replacing dross like Young and upgrading him with talent like Muller is hardly the worst idea in the world.
No. That was Lahm.
And it is not about Guardiola but about the club. I do not doubt the story - van Gaal for sure would want Müller and he would get the key role especially as they trust each other - and I would understand if Müller does not like the role he plays with Guardiola. There does not seem to be a matching role in his system - not if Guardiola thinks possession is more important than penetration...
But the club will not let him go. He is the fan and media love. And the center of the dressing room. The future captain. Already the team speaker. The German international with the best advertising contracts. You can imagine what that would stir in the moment that would get true - but especially in moments without success of Guardiola in the next season...
___________De Gea/Lindergaard______________________
Rafael/Varela____ Evans/Jones ___Smalling/Keane? ______Evra/Shaw
______________Fellaini/Carrick/___Fletcher/Carvalho_____________
______________________Müller________________________
Muller/Valencia__________ Rooney/RVP ___________Welbeck/Januzaj
Put Kagawa and Mata where you want. But be sure that Müller would play his shadow striker role if van Gaal would get him. That role is made for him - with a lot freedom to roam. Van Gaal gave a 20-year-old lad the free role in his Bayern system that brought them to the CL final - and gave him a starting guarantee. It is the same role he played again in the Barcelona match. He will not play on the wing - only when he switches places to there... It was way before Müller started to score the decisive goals for which he is known today that he got this role with van Gaal. Müller today scores a goal or an assist in less than 90 minutes - and that in a season in which he seldom plays a role that really matches to him. He even this year has the most goals and assists in the Bayern team - he even scores the most decisive goals and assists. And he has that especially in top matches. But as long Guardiola wants to play a 4-1-4-1 or 4-3-3 in the way he does prefer it now - and as long ball possession seems to be more important than penetration - Müller has problems. (Same with Götze - there is no no. 10 or hanging striker position, both are no full strikers and no dribbling wingers)
He still is nowhere near his peak and still can improve...
Speed is not important if you have a better reaction and if you just see thing earlier than others do.
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Such thing as a squad, my man.
The man is a sensational footballer, but he was born of Bayern blood so everyone can stop fondling their foreskins. He ain't coming to United, lads.
Would be great on the right for us. You people probably hate him cause he wrecked England in the World Cup and scored against united. He's an excellent player, can't see him coming though, or leaving bayern at all for that matter.
Cavani I understand not wanting as we have better players and are well stocked with quality depth. The right wing though? We've got nobody.
Cavani I understand not wanting as we have better players and are well stocked with quality depth. The right wing though? We've got nobody.
What a brilliant player he is. I have always been a massive fan of Muller and he has a knack of popping up with important goals.
Noo! But I am not worried, the Bayern board would rather get rid off Guardiola than Müller if they have to decide between these two methinks!
An absolutely top player. Its insane some think he's an average player, couldnt be further from the truth.
Thing is, if he comes, as blackwidow said, he's nailed on to play behind the striker which would pretty much kill any chance of seeing Kagawa and Mata play together and I dont want to see that happen
Thing is, if he comes, as blackwidow said, he's nailed on to play behind the striker which would pretty much kill any chance of seeing Kagawa and Mata play together and I dont want to see that happen
He fits a certain German stereotype: he is dull, arrogant but ruthlessly efficient at his job.
You can imagine him driving home after a match in his BMW with a very serious look on his face whilst listening to David Hasselhoff's greatest hits, motionless except for tapping his index finger on the steering wheel.
Apparently Van Gaal likes intelligent players and Muller is one of the most intelligent I have seen. He seems completely unremarkable but always seems to end up in the right place at the right time. Plus he has that big time German mentality.
I can't say that he excites me as a player to watch but I won't be upset if we sign a player of this calibre.
You can imagine him driving home after a match in his BMW with a very serious look on his face whilst listening to David Hasselhoff's greatest hits, motionless except for tapping his index finger on the steering wheel.
Apparently Van Gaal likes intelligent players and Muller is one of the most intelligent I have seen. He seems completely unremarkable but always seems to end up in the right place at the right time. Plus he has that big time German mentality.
I can't say that he excites me as a player to watch but I won't be upset if we sign a player of this calibre.
Best worst player I've seen
This is the Kicker article:
Other unhappy players include Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Ribery and according to BILD, Gotze. Not all unicorns and rainbows at Bayern Munich.
Other unhappy players include Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Ribery and according to BILD, Gotze. Not all unicorns and rainbows at Bayern Munich.
Was bound to happen I guess? You can't hoard the best players and not get away by paying them wages not close to what they'd get elsewhere?This is the Kicker article:
Other unhappy players include Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Ribery and according to BILD, Gotze. Not all unicorns and rainbows at Bayern Munich.
Ed: if the rumors are true of course.
I don't think wages are the problem. Playing time and playing style are the bigger issues.
Oh could be. I'm just speculating re the wages.
You could not be more wrong...
dull and arrogant... - sorry, the funniest and most humble player on the planet
Never cares about being the one everybody laughs about and about always has a smile on his face - and the persons around him usually are always in good mood.
The German FA psychologist called him a heaven sent because of his positive character.
In Müller's case it is sure not because of wage or contract. He prolonged at the same day Guardiola signed. Until 2017.
Would swapp him with Rooney on a heartbeat. The most intelligent player I have ever seen. Not talented at all, but his football intelligence makes him a fantastic player. Still, I don't know if we need him (even if one of RVP/Rooney leaves) but if he wants to leave then Van Gaal will surely go for him and he will be the first name on the sheet.
Say we lose about 6 players, do you think we'll buy 6 players? I highly doubt that. It is standard, but with us it would be overkill, like I said we would have to sell 2-3 attacking players and it would only make it worse if Cavani comes in. On selling Young, I don't think it will be easy. I doubt he's very keen to leave and no one will take him on the current wages. Also, no European football next season (most likely) so not everyone will get the games they want.
You can't fit those four into a team IMO and even if we do, it won't be that great. Look at the Madrid and Atletico, they both used power and pace, so with Mata, RVP, Rooney and Muller in the team, where would that come from? You talk about Welbeck being a squad player but he clearly wants more than that, might I add that we're a much better team when he plays. He makes runs all the time, has lots of pace and power, and he never stops closing players down. Muller will give us none of that.
Before we got Mata I would have taken Muller, but not anymore. We need a Reus, Lucas or someone like that. This would be a wrong buy.
One more thing, we might not even be in Europe next season at all, how do you keep a big squad of players happy? It's near impossible.
Cripes
That is Muller for you. He looks rubbish at football but is actually brilliant. He looks dull and arrogant but is actually a comedic genius and a Ghandi-esque humanitarian.
Curse you Muller. I bet that he still has crap taste in music though!
That is Muller for you. He looks rubbish at football but is actually brilliant. He looks dull and arrogant but is actually a comedic genius and a Ghandi-esque humanitarian.
Curse you Muller. I bet that he still has crap taste in music though!
This is the Kicker article:
Other unhappy players include Schweinsteiger, Martinez, Ribery and according to BILD, Gotze. Not all unicorns and rainbows at Bayern Munich.
Are the players pictured unhappy? We should try for Schweinsteiger or Martinez.
Not talented at all? He's brilliant technically.
Sport Witness
I would rather try for Schweinsteiger or Martinez if they're keen on leaving. I honestly think Martinez would be amazing for us and he would fit in England nicely.
it says "4 players, 4 problems."
The text concludes, that Schweinsteiger and Martinez are not fitting Pep´s system, but Guardiola cant drop Schweinsteiger due to his standing. Martinez is unhappy to be a sub and Barca might be interested.
Müller & Ribery are unhappy to get subbed/benched (especially in big games).
The article has very little content.
Unless van Gaal converts him into a bread and butter winger, I don't see the point. Plus he has a pretty punchable face and is a bit of theatrical princess.
Really wish van Gaal was a fan of Martinez and Schweinsteiger, not sure they're entirely happy either.
Really wish van Gaal was a fan of Martinez and Schweinsteiger, not sure they're entirely happy either.
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Answered your own question. It's not a priority by any means. And yes, we may lack quality there these days but we also have some top AMs who sort of need to take over one of the wide positions (Kagawa, for example). Plus under a new and better manager I see at least one of Valencia or Nani getting back their mojo.
So again, I'd rather we left the position as it is than buy in a player I dislike so much, who doesn't really fit the ethos of the club, and who doesn't even play that position as first choice.
Van Gaal used Gustavo as a left back or centerback and rarely as a holding midfielder because he wanted to use Kroos and Schweinsteiger in those CM positions. The formation in the return leg against Real was clearly van Gaal's longterm plan. Schweini and Kroos in midfield, Ribery and Robben on the wings with Müller as the 2nd striker and Alaba and Lahm as fullbacks.
I've never heard van Gaal commenting on Martinez at all, who joined 18 months after van Gaal was kicked out of the club. Where did you read about van Gaal being a huge fan of Martinez?
Why is he being called arrogant?
I always thought of him as Bayern's most likeable player tbh along with Schweini. Don't really much chance of this but I do think he's unhappy under Guardiola and I'd love to have him here. He's a big match player with an excellent temperament and brilliant football brain.
I always thought of him as Bayern's most likeable player tbh along with Schweini. Don't really much chance of this but I do think he's unhappy under Guardiola and I'd love to have him here. He's a big match player with an excellent temperament and brilliant football brain.