Sorry that was a typo, meant to say 'wish' as opposed to 'with'. Completely changes the context
Thomas Müller
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Sorry that was a typo, meant to say 'wish' as opposed to 'with'. Completely changes the context
I love that the press are now bored with the LvG Rumours and are now speculating on who he will sign for us which is everybody at the moment and this is before remember we have even signed LvG
People sometimes go on some weird tangent.Yeah but his face though, it'll be like having a German Suarez in our squad.
could imagine that VG would want him IF hes available
Just imagine a strike force of Hernandez and Muller. It likely will be the worst nightmare of defenders. Not that great on general play but their intelligent movement will cause a ton of problems even to the best defenders. And with both of them on the box, just send somehow the ball there and they will compete who will poach more goals than the other.
He's much more versatile than Cavani, can pretty much play any of the front four positions. He's a fabulous player, would love him but obviously it's not happening
I'd love Muller here. Never say no to a top player and he's still got his best years ahead of him. He also fits perfectly into van Gaal's total football philosophy.
These rumours suggest to me there will be a clearing out of our strikers and that Hernandez and Welbeck are seriously considering going. Muller and Cavani would be huge improvements over those players but they wouldnt be fan favorites thats for sure (at first) but niether would be happy sitting on the bench behind Rooney and RVP. But then City do have Jovetic, Dzeko, Aguero, Negredo none of which are bench warmers.
Would take Muller in a heartbeat. Won the WC golden boot when he was what 20? Was incredible in the 7-0 demolition of Barca last season. Sure his celebration against us pissed me off a bit - his face looked very punchable, but I can deal with that.
Unlikely though.
Unlikely though.
I'd be happy with our very own Harrison Ford
I'm not sure I see any features even remotely similar?
I admire him as a player a lot. Not the most technical player you will find, but he still possesses superb intelligence and movement and he is probably one of the most decisive players around. That being said, we aren't in need of the that type of offensive player and Bayern should hold onto him at all costs.
Why are we constantly linked with players in positions we are well stocked in?
I'm getting to the point where I don't give a shit if it isn't a CM.
I'm getting to the point where I don't give a shit if it isn't a CM.
Have you not seen some of the comments here about how he isn't a good player? He is incredibly talented, and some are playing it down/ saying we don't need him because we are stacked in that position, when his primary position is on the right wing, where we are desperately poor. That is my point.
Likelihood is that we're going to buy a winger in the Summer. I'd be ecstatic if we brought in Thomas Muller or someone of his quality.
Our attacking midfielders (Mata, Kagawa) are more natural number 10s than Muller and are way less effective on the flanks than Muller. Valencia and Nani haven't had any mojo for the last two seasons - asking a lot of our new manager to bring it back, although I agree that it may be possible with Nani. Valencia seems to be a lost cause.
Some of our most beloved players (Januzaj, Welbeck, Hernandez etc.) have dived on numerous occasions for our club. You're making out Muller to be much worse than he is imo. There are players far worse in our current squad in terms of fitting our ethos.
You will not find a dive of Müller... He might fall easy as he is a light weight - he was always really fouled. You will find numerous occasions in which he got up fast again or even did not claim a foul.
He never got a yellow card from a referee for complaining...
So what is his actual best position? He seems to play all over the play whenever I watch him. Not a typical winger, not a typical striker.
the lad is a genuine big-game goalscorer
I think his best position is roughly where Rooney Mata and Kagawa all want to play hence I'm not sure he is a priority when we have much more obvious needs in central midfield and defence.
I always thought he was best on the right wing with the freedom to move very high up the pitch to get into scoring positions.
Actually I don't think he is that kind of player. Creatively and technically he is too limited to play behind the striker. He is a hard worker and has a natural instinct for scoring goals, especially in big game and I always felt he was best on the right wing when he was allowed to move into a wide striker position so to speak.
He is not the guy you want on the wing for width but someone you want there if you want another genuine goal threat from the wing.
I'd be happy with our very own Harrison Ford
they look nothing alike.I like Muller, an extremely intelligent footballer. However I must say I don't understand quite understand him. What is he extremely good at? He seems to have a lot of good attributes but nothing that particularly stands out IMO.
What's his best position? This is something I still don't quite know.
What's his best position? This is something I still don't quite know.
Things I've learned from this thread: Müller is terrible and brilliant. Muller is arrogant and humble.
He assists as much as he scores goals. But you are right - he is no playmaker. But I guess that was never what van Gaal intended to have with him. Not that he is not able to create - he assisted in a higher ratio as Kagawa in Dortmund. Bayern had the playmaker on the left with Ribery. But the modern game is a lot more about spaces - about moving defenders with you - about creating chances and pathways for your fellows etc.
Müller has a special sense for playing situations and positioning - he can shift total situations with his runs open spaces when defenders follow that can be occupied from his fellows. If you just watch ball actions you do not get it. Getting the attention off the first striker - or working perfectly together with him to fool the defense. He virtually f.... zonal defenses. There is a couple of Bundesliga coaches that tell that Müller is the most dangerous player of Bayern - not Robben or Ribery - as you never can control him. He so often just does the unexpected. He does not much passes to create - and if he does it often is an assist or a very dangerous situation.
That is maybe something Pep cannot live with either. He wants to control everything. Plan everything. Let everybody work after his plan.
And van Gaal and him - mutual understanding from the beginning. He voiced that Müller will always play with him very early - after the second or third month in Munich. He only was the sub in the first two matches - but after that was starting all.
It's his movement that sets him apart from everybody else. He makes runs that can tear defenses apart with ease.
Agreed. I was not trying to say that he is a bad player in anyway and I should have probably added movement as one of his major strength or maybe footballing intelligence? Well in essence he has the ability to do the right thing at the right time like almost no other player despite looking a bit technically limited maybe. He also has proven that he almost always delivers in the big games which is another quality of his that makes him so valuable.
In short the mental aspect of his game is his main strength, he makes the right decisions, he makes the right runs, he gets in the right positions to cause the opposition trouble and he delivers in the big games. What's not to like about this fella?
I personally would take him here in a heartbeat if Pep ever decides he has no use for him because his passing isn't fancy enough but I doubt Rummenigge or Sammer would ever sell him.
I think his position doesn't mean too much, his role will be the same, to exploit space by making penetrative runs. A bit like a Stoichkov who could play all roles in the offense as finding space and running in to the space is not very dependent on a better or worse foot to dribble with which would change the way they play a lot.
You really need brilliant passers though to get the best of Muller, if he makes runs without getting through-balls which we see very often when Chicarito plays for us - then his efficiency will of course be pulled down a lot.
He is like the ultimate upgraded version of Chicarito but slower, he basically doesn't have any particular skills which one would consider world-class. He isn't the man to challenge his full-back and beat them consistently in 1 vs 1's, he isn't the man to dominate the passing like a David Silva, he doesn't control the tempo of the game like a Kroos/Scholes, he isn't too fast or strong. He is very all round though and apart from that he is possibly/probably the best player in the world at finding enough space to make a run - receive a ball which penetrates an entire defense with one pass. Forcing opponents to mark his runs, to open up for another player is also part of this.
The Bayern people seem to rate him through the roof though, which shows how important he is for their team.
No thanks. I've never seen what's so good about him to be honest.
The diving really doesn't particularly bother me. It's the attitude: the arrogance, the constant moaning, the aggressive getting up in the face of the referee, trying to convince him that opposition players are diving all the time or trying to get them carded/sent off, getting in the face of opposition players, making snide comments when players are down injured. Januzaj, Welbeck and Hernandez are all very obviously nice humble lads, and don't even merit comparison.
As for the winger thing, it doesn't matter what we already have: Muller is not a winger. He plays in the wide position for Germany but he's basically just another forward when he does that. I'm not convinced a winger is going to be high on the list of priorities this summer, but even if it is, we're hardly going to look at our squad, think 'oh, we have too many #10s that we're using as makeshift wingers' and buy... another #10 to use as a makeshift winger.
I bloody hope not, anyway.
A lot of that comes with the culture of the league/manager. If he came to United, you really think we'd let him do any of that? There's nothing wrong with having arrogance. All the best players have some arrogance. But honestly, I think you're blowing it all out of proportion. I've watched him many times over the last few years and he's really not as bad as you're making him out.
Difference between Muller and Mata/Kagawa is that Muller is accustomed to playing on the wing. Hard to call Muller a makeshift winger when he's played as a winger so often. If we sign more than three players in the Summer, I'm almost certain that one will be to strengthen our options on the wing.
I guess that will depend on what the new manager makes of valencia, nani, young and zaha plus can we find buyers for them?
Also where will he see Januzaj and Welbeck playing - will he see Mata / Kagawa as wing options - will he give Bebe am opportunity?
Id be happy for us to get a top class winger / wide forward but I guess first of all we need to actually get a manager appointed and for him to decide what formation he wants and what players to keep - then the hard work of selling players we dont want and attracting players of the right calibre starts - Im expecting a long drawn out summer unfortunatley
He is excellent.
I'd be happy with our very own Whoopi Goldberg
Take the piss but I still think he looks like the German Harrison Ford...Hahaha
only player in the Bayern team that I think has a look a like
And apparently he's a scruffy looking Nerf Herder.