Thomas Müller

It's really strange that people keep mentioning that he doesn't fit in with Guardiola's idea of football, but is perfect for van Gaal's. It's really not that different.

I also think that his admiration for van Gaal is overrated. I'm sure he's incredibly thankful for the chance van Gaal gave him and respects him a lot, but he also saw the problems van Gaal caused at the club in the second year and knows that following van Gaal very likely would be a short term reunion. I also doubt he wants to go back where our club was in 09/10 and become part of a rebuilding process again instead of playing in a team that's at the peak of its cycle. We're pretty much where van Gaal wanted us to be and play in the way he wanted us to play and Müller is an important part of the team.
 
Balu said:
It's really strange that people keep mentioning that he doesn't fit in with Guardiola's idea of football, but is perfect for van Gaal's. It's really not that different.

I also think that his admiration for van Gaal is overrated. I'm sure he's incredibly thankful for the chance van Gaal gave him and respects him a lot, but he also saw the problems van Gaal caused at the club in the second year and knows that following van Gaal very likely would be a short term reunion. I also doubt he wants to go back where our club was in 09/10 and become part of a rebuilding process again instead of playing in a team that's at the peak of its cycle. We're pretty much where van Gaal wanted us to be and play in the way he wanted us to play and Müller is an important part of the team.
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The thing is that Müller could play out his strengths much better in another set up and that he somehow still searches for his position in Guardiola's tactics. And sometimes you remarked that Guardiola lacks the patience and trust with him that a Heynckes had - if a match stays without goal for a long time Müller usually participates on the first goal - it does not help when he gets subbed out before. That Müller is the one with the most goals and assists (25 goals, 15 assists - until now as good as last year in less time) even if he was played so often in roles that did not really emphasize his strengths just shows how good he could be. But - the best matches the team made with Guardiola have been with Müller and often in a prominent role.

Müller just does not like to be out in the big matches. Often that had tactical reasons. After the second match against Arsenal Guardiola told that Müller for sure would have started if the first match would have been a loss or a draw. That Müller does not understand that to well when he had 5 goals and one or 2 assists in his last 180 playing minutes before that can be understood, too. He was warming up 35 minutes and came in 5 minutes prior to the end - that even somebody with his mentality can be hurt by that you saw with his penalty.

About Müller's relationship with van Gaal - watch the following youtube vid from March in which he was invited to the Audi Star Talk and in which the team visited van Gaal - starting at about 6:30

 
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Blackwidow said:
About Müller's relationship with van Gaal - watch the following youtube vid from March in which he was invited to the Audi Star Talk and in which the team visited van Gaal - starting at about 6:30

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I've seen it before, but there's nothing in it that contradicts what I wrote? No hints, that he wants to play for him again.
 
Balu said:
I let you dream about Robben and stopped posting in the Kroos thread a long time ago. You can't have Müller though, nope. I won't even let you dream.
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What's the latest with Toni Kroos. Has he signed an extension, or will Bayern try their luck next season?
 
peterstorey said:
Oi it's all in German and they talk real quick...
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I won't translate it all, but the most important part clearly is that van Gaal liked to kiss Müller's wife a 3rd time on the cheek, when she met him, not just twice like everyone else did.

Suedesi said:
What's the latest with Toni Kroos. Has he signed an extension, or will Bayern try their luck next season?
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No extension yet, nothing new at all. He's clearly old news at the moment, really boring. The press is way too busy with making stuff up about all the other players.
 
Unless they are getting absolutely no time on the pitch (which doesn't seem to be the case with either Muller or Kroos), I can't imagine any young German talent voluntarily leaving this Bayern side.
 
peterstorey said:
Oi it's all in German and they talk real quick...
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To summarize it.

- Van Gaal thinks Müller is good looking and horny for his girlfriend
- Müller thinks Van Gaal is into his girlfriend
- Van Gaal is happy with how Müller developed
- Müller kinda confirms that Van Gaal dropped his pants, but says it wasn't to show his authority.
- Müller says that his critic wasn't personal but objectively and that he wanted to improve them.
 
golden_blunder said:
I know they aren't on the same level yet, but could Powell do a job in the Muller role?
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I said this before, I honestly think Van Gaal will want Powell for his technical ability. Van Gaal is noy afraid to change players position in order to get the best out of them like with Schweinsteiger.

Van gaal will improve a lot of our youngers and first team players. Only limited amount of coaches in the world can do that.

You can see Zaha, Lingard, Pearson, Rothwell, Januzaj etc all flourishing under him.
 
He's come out saying he won't be leaving Bayern anytime soon, thank feck for that. Can't go through a muppet summer with this guy, would be too much to handle.
 
Balu said:
I'd call him that yes. He played more minutes in league, CL and cup than Robben, Ribery, Mandzukic, Götze and started most of the big games (Dortmund away, City twice, United twice, Real once - and even against Arsenal, he had a huge impact from the bench, he wasn't frozen out of the team at any point). He started around 75% of all our games, if he's not a regular, who is?

There were always going to be rumours. Last season you could read about Robben's attitude being a problem and Pep wants him gone, Müller not fitting Guardiola's ideas, Thiago coming in meant that Kroos won't get enough minutes. It was all a load of made up nonsense and I doubt it's any different this time. Right now you can read everywhere that most of our players are having a shit season or don't fit into Pep's ideas. Only 4-5 weeks ago, every newspaper wrote that we're invincible, that the league will be boring for years, that all our players love the club and want to stay forever (with the exception of Kroos). It's just stupid. Müller signed a contract extension until 2017 last season, why should everything be totally different all of a sudden? We had a few bad weeks with a painful exit in the CL semifinals and now we have to live through the aftereffects. It'll calm down.
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I'm the first to admit that, as a normal fan, the real information on such matters one can get is extremely limited, so all we can do is speculate.
Nevertheless i follow the transfer antiques for a couple of decades now. It was quite clear that some of those rumours - you named the Robben one - were more a feeble attempt of some newspapers to fill empty mid-week sports pages than anything else.
The Müller rumours have a different scent to them, so i'm not that confident.

Yes, he played a lot, but he was only subbed in in both Arsenal and the first Real leg, and in the Buli match against BVB. The most important matches of the season.

Now Müller is not one to openly complain to the media like some like to do, but he isn't stupid and we can be sure there *exist* certain pundits that have a good access to what he really thinks.
After every one of those matches there were remarks in the newspaper reports that he isn't happy at all about being second choice when it really matters.

He also isn't that commited to playing for Bayern alone, never was. Remarks like the one Piratesoup quotes here have been in his interviews for years.

Piratesoup said:
New Müller interview. States that he's not about to leave at all, but that he also can't promise that he'll stay forever.
http://www.goal.com/de/news/827/bundesliga/2014/05/06/4798905/bayerns-thomas-müller-stehe-sicher-nicht-vor-dem-absprung
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Both him and his wife are cosmopolitic and open-minded enough to see living and playing in a different country or culture as an exciting thing to do rather than just second choice to building a nest on the Tegernsee, not as much as, for example, Ribery, Schweinsteiger or Lahm, who quite openly made their choice public.

OutlawGER said:
0% for him leaving.
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That is why i rate his chances leaving higher than those of many others, including Kroos, who might be a bit scared about his chances to succeed abroad. I don't think Müller is in a state of "i'm so pissed i'll be out in the second a good offer reaches me", but i believe he has a certain plan of the conditions he wants to play it, and if those conditions are not present, and the package offered to him are to his liking, he will leave without regrets.
 
strongwalker said:
Yes, he played a lot, but he was only subbed in in both Arsenal and the first Real leg, and in the Buli match against BVB. The most important matches of the season.
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??? He started and played the full 90 minutes in the important away game against Dortmund. Gave the assist for Götze's goal and scored the third. He also started both games against United, the first against City and the return leg against Real, which all were equally if not even more important than the games against Arsenal.

You worry too much. Everything he says points (in my opinion) clearly towards him staying at least for a few more years.
 
Red Shorts said:
We need Muller much more than Cavani, because he plays out wide much more naturally than him. I honestly don't see how Young, Nani and/or Valencia will all remain at the club at the same time, and at least one of them will be leaving, so replacing them with Muller is an incredible positive.
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Muller is a top player but hes not a priority the CM role should be our main target. If at the end of the summer we land Muller but not a top quality CM I would still consider it a failure.
 
Hamadovich86 said:
Muller is a top player but hes not a priority the CM role should be our main target. If at the end of the summer we land Muller but not a top quality CM I would still consider it a failure.
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A failure to be getting one of the most talented players in the world? I know not getting a CM would be bad, but seriously?
 
Red Shorts said:
A failure to be getting one of the most talented players in the world? I know not getting a CM would be bad, but seriously?
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Bringing him in does not solve our midfield issues that have been going on for years now so yes even if we bring him in, as great a player as he is, the transfer window would be a failure IMO. We will not be able to compete on a high level without sorting out the midfield no matter who we have upfront or on the wings.
 
The likelihood of not bringing in a CM is very, very slim this season, as we would only have 4 natural CMs (5 if we keep Anderson for some strange reason) and half of whom even struggle to stay injury free.
 
Gambit said:
Using us for a better contract.
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He does not need that. He has made a new contract last season. He probably earns nearly as much through his personal advertising contracts than he does from Bayern... But I do not think that money ever was the biggest issue for him, his contracts with Bayern were prolonged without noise long before anybody knew there were even contract talks...

And he is not using nobody. He is not the source of the rumours. It is media speculation because of Pep's possession without penetration system and especially because of Manchester United and van Gaal - and the most of the German pundits assume that with Müller's strengths the EPL could be a land of milk and honey for him even if he is not the fastest or physical strongest. There is no doubt that Müller was van Gaal's favourite "pet" and that for Müller van Gaal ain't just a great coach but he even likes his personality.
 
Red Shorts said:
A failure to be getting one of the most talented players in the world? I know not getting a CM would be bad, but seriously?
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And how do you propose we fit him in amongst Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj and Rooney? Along with the other players who would also be left out if you play a fluid three over wing play. We don't need five No.10s.
 
That'sHernandez said:
And how do you propose we fit him in amongst Kagawa, Mata, Januzaj and Rooney? Along with the other players who would also be left out if you play a fluid three over wing play. We don't need five No.10s.
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You expect all 4 of these players to stay 100% fit all season, and play 38 games a season? If he were to come, It would be 5 players interchanging for the 3 behind the striker, 4 in fact if Rooney is preferred up front (as we don't know RvP's future fitness). Januzaj and Kagawa are hardly playing every game this season and most likely won't be the next. Muller is also a much better than those two players so would be more of a first team player than them.
 
Balu said:
??? He started and played the full 90 minutes in the important away game against Dortmund. Gave the assist for Götze's goal and scored the third. He also started both games against United, the first against City and the return leg against Real, which all were equally if not even more important than the games against Arsenal.
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He was more of a regular starter in the first half of the season, true, but that was when the squad wasn't available at full strength - Thiago, Ribery, Götze, Schweinsteiger all had their injuries. When the squad was at full strength and the tie was important, he was warming the bench with the exception of the return leg against Real. I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but i doubt he is satisfied with the level of appreciation Pep seems to give him.
 
So according to todays kicker, we made an formal approach for Müller, but our interest in Kroos has cooled down since the sacking of David Moyes. His agent ruled out him going to Barcelona didn't comment on the links to United according to the Bild.

Seems like there is some serious interest in him. Doubt it will happen
 
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Anderson18 said:
So according to todays kicker, we made an formal approach for Müller, but our interest in Kroos has cooled down since the sacking of David Moyes. His agent ruled out him going to Barcelona didn't comment on the links to United according to the Bild.

Seems like there is some serious interest in him. Doubt it will happen
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Yes, the topic is still cooking in Germany.

Sky Germany was airing an interview with Gary Neville yesterday in which he told that he would like Müller to come to United. (there were other topics in that interview, too)

And Kicker had today that not only United but Liverpool and Arsenal are interested, too.

Liverpool - to get a 24-year-old with bags of CL experience - I could even buy that. Arsenal - if you have Özil the dream pairing to it is Müller because of their mutual understanding, but I somehow do not see Müller as a Wenger-type of player. He does not like winners... ;)

 
Blackwidow said:
Yes, the topic is still cooking in Germany.

Sky Germany was airing an interview with Gary Neville yesterday in which he told that he would like Müller to come to United. (there were other topics in that interview, too)

And Kicker had today that not only United but Liverpool and Arsenal are interested, too.

Liverpool - to get a 24-year-old with bags of CL experience - I could even buy that. Arsenal - if you have Özil the dream pairing to it is Müller because of their mutual understanding, but I somehow do not see Müller as a Wenger-type of player. He does not like winners... ;)

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Liverpool - don't have the money.
Arsenal - I don't think his best position is a striker and as a 10 they have Özil and RW Walcott. Doubt that Wenger would spend what's necessary for him to come.

Not to mention his relationship with Van Gaal
 
It would be pointless for Liverpool to blow a good deal of their budget on Müller when there are glaring problems in their defence.
 
AltiUn said:
It would be pointless for Liverpool to blow a good deal of their budget on Müller when there are glaring problems in their defence.
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For Müller - van Gaal. I doubt that he is money driven - he will get enough out of any contract and he right now probably nearly earns as much money with advertising as he gets from Bayern.
 
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