Thibaut Courtois

Chelsea had Terry, Cahill, Ivanovic, and Luiz all in the box during set pieces who are all very good in the air, so to be fair to Courtois any keeper would probably struggle a bit.

Saw Gary Neville on twitter this morning complementing Courtois on his total command of his area. He's been harsh on DDG in the past hasn't he? No such criticism for this kid.
 
With his size he knows he can get into the crowd and pluck in out of the air which is what ddg struggled with. Plenty of keepers took to the prem like a duck to water. VDS, Lehman, and cech to name but a few.

True, but then there also examples of keepers who actually struggled once they came here. Barthez comes to mind immediately, although that was down to his eccentricity. However, what I was saying is that he could be built really well but then it does take time to get used to how teams set up and play here. He will have to deal with a lot more crosses than in the la liga.
 
I'd sell Cech if I was Chelsea. This kid is ready. They don't wanna risk alienating him further and he's already the equal of - if not greater than - Cech already.
 
He's a seriously good goalkeeper and this is a very difficult decision for Chelsea. I'd wager that there will be no more loans, the two will fight it out at Chelsea next season and one of them - probably Cech, will leave at the end of he season. He's just too good to be in limbo any longer.
 
I know he is an Arsenal supporter and that's why I questioned his bias. It's almost as if I meant that a fan will not give fair credit to a rival team's player. Strange, I know!

People are allowed to rate other keepers higher than de Gea to be fair and not be biased. I think de Gea is a better keeper than Courtois but it's not like @Archie Leach suggested John Ruddy is a better keeper, we are talking about 2 of the best keepers in the world. Seems another case on here where if people don't say de Gea is the greatest thing ever the next assumption is they're saying he's shit.

I think it's a bit of a problem for Mourinho next season this, I can't imagine Cech will want to play back up and Courtois isn't going to sit on the bench either when he's playing every week at the moment for potential La Liga and CL winners. Cech is still quite young for a keeper and having a very good season, though I've heard stories he might be done in a couple of years due to injuries? Not sure if it's true or not. IT's easy to look on the outside in and say Courtois should play but as we did see with de Gea it's not easy to just come in and adapt straight away.
 
People are allowed to rate other keepers higher than de Gea to be fair and not be biased. I think de Gea is a better keeper than Courtois but it's not like @Archie Leach suggested John Ruddy is a better keeper, we are talking about 2 of the best keepers in the world. Seems another case on here where if people don't say de Gea is the greatest thing ever the next assumption is they're saying he's shit.
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They are close. But since DDG has proven himself in two leagues and is currently the#1 keeper in the PL undoubtedly says a lot about his ability. Maybe Archie actually thinks that Courtois is better but that does not mean this thought could not be colored by DDG playing for a very close domestic rival. It's like people cannot accept a simple fact that being fans means you cannot be objective about all the things.
 
I'd sell Cech if I was Chelsea. This kid is ready. They don't wanna risk alienating him further and he's already the equal of - if not greater than - Cech already.

yep, agreed. there's no harm in it, besides loyalty for Cech. Cech hasn't long left at the very top though, and this kid has the next 10 years at least. may aswell bring him over and get him climatised to the english game; the sooner he comes over the better he, and Chelsea, will be for it.
 
Dropping Cech for for this kid would spark an unrest in Chelseas dressing room. Mou wont to that.

Another two years in Atletico and then a movr to SB.
Not sure about that. It's not like they'd be selling Cech for some kid from the Championship or some second rate league. They know first hand how good he is and that he's a world class player.

Plus, it's not like Cech's career will be over if he's moved on. He'd have his pick of some top clubs. Maybe even Atletico would have him.
 

Cheers :)

Dropping Cech for for this kid would spark an unrest in Chelseas dressing room. Mou wont to that.

Another two years in Atletico and then a movr to SB.

Why would it? There was no unrest when Mata was sold or Cole was dropped, I'd guess Mourinho has earned their trust to do what he wants.
 
Not sure about that. It's not like they'd be selling Cech for some kid from the Championship or some second rate league. They know first hand how good he is and that he's a world class player.

Plus, it's not like Cech's career will be over if he's moved on. He'd have his pick of some top clubs. Maybe even Atletico would have him.

Cech is more likely to be next captain than "moved on"
 
Not doubting his abilities but last night was hardly a master class. Most things he did were quite straight forward, I thought
 
Not doubting his abilities but last night was hardly a master class. Most things he did were quite straight forward, I thought
That Hazard save towards the end was very good. I thought for sure Hazard was going to score.
 
Not doubting his abilities but last night was hardly a master class. Most things he did were quite straight forward, I thought

I like him and he was his usual excellent self on the night but my concerns about him as a first choice for say, Barcelona, remain the same. He hardly is called to come off his line for a save for Atletico, even against Chelsea - almost everything was occurring inside the box. As for playing the ball at his feet, I counted numerous kicks into touch which doesn't make him ideal for us, IMHO

But of course, the local Barcelona papers are reopening the debate about whether to reconsider him over the already agreed upon deal for Ter Stegen. Zubi is a legendary keeper and did extensive assessments on goalkeepers and Mats was his preferred choice...mine as well. That 6'7" frame is tempting no doubt but it also comes down to fitting a playing style as well. The rumour mill in Spain paint a picture of Courtois being at odds with Mou & Chelsea and wanting a move to one of the big two in Spain with, supposedly, Barcelona being his preferred destination
 
Chelsea should sell Cech and get Courtois from the loan. He's already as good - if not better - than Cech and he will become even better. I don't know how long he will play for Atletico before he decides to never return at SB.

I think that him and De Gea will dominate the goalkeeper position on the world for the next decade and it will be a big debate about which one of them is better than the other.
 
Gonna be a Hart/Given situation for Chelsea next season, Chelsea would probably be wise to follow City's example and go with the up and comer. Cech hasn't really be anything other than just a steady eddy for quite a few years now anyway whereas Courtois could quite possibly become the best keeper in the world (he's already well on his way to be)
 
Gonna be a Hart/Given situation for Chelsea next season, Chelsea would probably be wise to follow City's example and go with the up and comer. Cech hasn't really be anything other than just a steady eddy for quite a few years now anyway whereas Courtois could quite possibly become the best keeper in the world (he's already well on his way to be)
Apparently he's the goalie of the year...
 
Sell him with a nice firm buy back clause in tact. Cech still has a lot left. Was very good this season.
 
I'd imagine he'd get to leave. He's too good to be back up.
 
Sell him with a nice firm buy back clause in tact. Cech still has a lot left. Was very good this season.

Courtois is miles better, he is going to be the best Keeper in the world, he is got even more talent than DDG and he is more level headed than the latter. Both will be nr 1 and nr2 on the list of best GK in the world within a couple of years followed by Neuer. But Courtois is the clear nr 1 for me, never saw so much natural class in a GK. To loan him out or sell him would be a very stupid move, I hope you'll do it, because I don't want to see Courtois in a Chelsea shirt, but it would be very stupid from your side.
 
Courtois is miles better, he is going to be the best Keeper in the world, he is got even more talent than DDG and he is more level headed than the latter. Both will be nr 1 and nr2 on the list of best GK in the world within a couple of years followed by Neuer. But Courtois is the clear nr 1 for me, never saw so much natural class in a GK. To loan him out or sell him would be a very stupid move, I hope you'll do it, because I don't want to see Courtois in a Chelsea shirt, but it would be very stupid from your side.
My side? I aint' a Chelsea supporter mate. United is my team.
 
Courtois is miles better, he is going to be the best Keeper in the world, he is got even more talent than DDG and he is more level headed than the latter. Both will be nr 1 and nr2 on the list of best GK in the world within a couple of years followed by Neuer. But Courtois is the clear nr 1 for me, never saw so much natural class in a GK. To loan him out or sell him would be a very stupid move, I hope you'll do it, because I don't want to see Courtois in a Chelsea shirt, but it would be very stupid from your side.

I disagree about the talent, but that's not an outrageous claim so it's understandable. However, I don't know where you get the idea from the he would be more level headed than De Gea. From everything I've seen of De Gea I'd say he's extremely level headed himself. And as a Belgian, you should know about the fuss Courtois kicked up about Mignolet being disrespectful just because his aim is to be number 1 on the Belgian squad. Not exactly a sign of level headedness.
 
I disagree about the talent, but that's not an outrageous claim so it's understandable. However, I don't know where you get the idea from the he would be more level headed than De Gea. From everything I've seen of De Gea I'd say he's extremely level headed himself. And as a Belgian, you should know about the fuss Courtois kicked up about Mignolet being disrespectful just because his aim is to be number 1 on the Belgian squad. Not exactly a sign of level headedness.

I know alot about Courtois and I know alot about DDG,and I'am as much a United fan if not more than I'am patriotic, so I'am perfectably placed to compare them. De Gea had a rough first season here, alot of people criticising him for not being commanding enough on long balls, not leading/communicating with his his defence enough and being susceptible for errors. He improved miles on those areas, but Courtois never had those problems, he didn't have them at AM, he didn't have at the Belgian national squad (he slotted right in like he was the nr 1 GK since decades). Courtois is extremly talented just like DDG, but his strongest point has always been his ability to keep his head cool (he has ice running though his veins I think). He is more level headed than DDG, not De Gea isn't but Courtois is the most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he is in what he does, never and at such a young age aswell, he already looks like the completley finished product and he has never ever disappointed on any single occassions were people said this will be a test for him. This alledged fuss he kicked up is bullshit, a complete non story. Mignolet was the number one in the national squad, but Courtois took his chance when he was given it and he has been miles better than Mignolet. I don't believe Courtois ever accussed Mignolet of being disrespectfull, definitley not for having the ambition to be nr 1, if anything he may have just said that he feels that he deserves to be nr 1 now instead of Mignolet and he is right about that. Anyway both guys are professional and there has never been an issue between them. Just two very good GK for one position, but the younger one (Courtois) is just beter in anyway, same as he is beter in any way than DDG and as he is beter than Cech and also Neuer for me. He is the nr 1 GK in the world and if he isn't now than surely he'll be within a couple of years. In fact the only reasons why some people don't agree with this is because Courtois doesn't play at a big club yet (ofcourse he might win CL and Title with AM, I even believe they will and he will have been crucial in doing so). He is good enough to be nr 1 at any club in the world, and I even think the Chelsea position will be beneath him, this guy deserves to be keeping at Barca or Real atleast and I think over time he will.

We replaced VDS brilliantly with DDG, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't dout a second to pick Courtois over him. He is so damn good, perfect keeper all round.
 
I know alot about Courtois and I know alot about DDG,and I'am as much a United fan if not more than I'am patriotic, so I'am perfectably placed to compare them. De Gea had a rough first season here, alot of people criticising him for not being commanding enough on long balls, not leading/communicating with his his defence enough and being susceptible for errors. He improved miles on those areas, but Courtois never had those problems, he didn't have them at AM, he didn't have at the Belgian national squad (he slotted right in like he was the nr 1 GK since decades). Courtois is extremly talented just like DDG, but his strongest point has always been his ability to keep his head cool (he has ice running though his veins I think). He is more level headed than DDG, not De Gea isn't but Courtois is the most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he is in what he does, never and at such a young age aswell, he already looks like the completley finished product and he has never ever disappointed on any single occassions were people said this will be a test for him. This alledged fuss he kicked up is bullshit, a complete non story. Mignolet was the number one in the national squad, but Courtois took his chance when he was given it and he has been miles better than Mignolet. I don't believe Courtois ever accussed Mignolet of being disrespectfull, definitley not for having the ambition to be nr 1, if anything he may have just said that he feels that he deserves to be nr 1 now instead of Mignolet and he is right about that. Anyway both guys are professional and there has never been an issue between them. Just two very good GK for one position, but the younger one (Courtois) is just beter in anyway, same as he is beter in any way than DDG and as he is beter than Cech and also Neuer for me. He is the nr 1 GK in the world and if he isn't now than surely he'll be within a couple of years. In fact the only reasons why some people don't agree with this is because Courtois doesn't play at a big club yet (ofcourse he might win CL and Title with AM, I even believe they will and he will have been crucial in doing so). He is good enough to be nr 1 at any club in the world, and I even think the Chelsea position will be beneath him, this guy deserves to be keeping at Barca or Real atleast and I think over time he will.

We replaced VDS brilliantly with DDG, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't dout a second to pick Courtois over him. He is so damn good, perfect keeper all round.
I appreciate that Courtois is probably in the top 3 keepers around but to say he is in "anyway" (which I assume you meant every) better than the keepers you have listed is getting a bit ahead of yourself.

De Gea's shot stopping and distribution are still slightly ahead of Courtois's. Whereas Neuer's 1 on 1 ability and distribution are ahead of Courtois. He's probably the best keeper at collecting a cross and his reflexes are excellent but he still has a bit more to go before he can be considered the best keeper. I do agree he is very level-headed but most keepers tend to be really.

And saying that Chelsea is beneath him is possibly the stupidest comment I have ever read. If Chelsea were 17th then I might agree, but they're 3rd in the Premier League. The same Chelsea who progressed further in the Champions League than Barca did too, I might add.
 
I know alot about Courtois and I know alot about DDG,and I'am as much a United fan if not more than I'am patriotic, so I'am perfectably placed to compare them. De Gea had a rough first season here, alot of people criticising him for not being commanding enough on long balls, not leading/communicating with his his defence enough and being susceptible for errors. He improved miles on those areas, but Courtois never had those problems, he didn't have them at AM, he didn't have at the Belgian national squad (he slotted right in like he was the nr 1 GK since decades). Courtois is extremly talented just like DDG, but his strongest point has always been his ability to keep his head cool (he has ice running though his veins I think). He is more level headed than DDG, not De Gea isn't but Courtois is the most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he is in what he does, never and at such a young age aswell, he already looks like the completley finished product and he has never ever disappointed on any single occassions were people said this will be a test for him. This alledged fuss he kicked up is bullshit, a complete non story. Mignolet was the number one in the national squad, but Courtois took his chance when he was given it and he has been miles better than Mignolet. I don't believe Courtois ever accussed Mignolet of being disrespectfull, definitley not for having the ambition to be nr 1, if anything he may have just said that he feels that he deserves to be nr 1 now instead of Mignolet and he is right about that. Anyway both guys are professional and there has never been an issue between them. Just two very good GK for one position, but the younger one (Courtois) is just beter in anyway, same as he is beter in any way than DDG and as he is beter than Cech and also Neuer for me. He is the nr 1 GK in the world and if he isn't now than surely he'll be within a couple of years. In fact the only reasons why some people don't agree with this is because Courtois doesn't play at a big club yet (ofcourse he might win CL and Title with AM, I even believe they will and he will have been crucial in doing so). He is good enough to be nr 1 at any club in the world, and I even think the Chelsea position will be beneath him, this guy deserves to be keeping at Barca or Real atleast and I think over time he will.

We replaced VDS brilliantly with DDG, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't dout a second to pick Courtois over him. He is so damn good, perfect keeper all round.


You will be in the minority with that.
 
I know alot about Courtois and I know alot about DDG,and I'am as much a United fan if not more than I'am patriotic, so I'am perfectably placed to compare them. De Gea had a rough first season here, alot of people criticising him for not being commanding enough on long balls, not leading/communicating with his his defence enough and being susceptible for errors. He improved miles on those areas, but Courtois never had those problems, he didn't have them at AM, he didn't have at the Belgian national squad (he slotted right in like he was the nr 1 GK since decades). Courtois is extremly talented just like DDG, but his strongest point has always been his ability to keep his head cool (he has ice running though his veins I think). He is more level headed than DDG, not De Gea isn't but Courtois is the most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he is in what he does, never and at such a young age aswell, he already looks like the completley finished product and he has never ever disappointed on any single occassions were people said this will be a test for him. This alledged fuss he kicked up is bullshit, a complete non story. Mignolet was the number one in the national squad, but Courtois took his chance when he was given it and he has been miles better than Mignolet. I don't believe Courtois ever accussed Mignolet of being disrespectfull, definitley not for having the ambition to be nr 1, if anything he may have just said that he feels that he deserves to be nr 1 now instead of Mignolet and he is right about that. Anyway both guys are professional and there has never been an issue between them. Just two very good GK for one position, but the younger one (Courtois) is just beter in anyway, same as he is beter in any way than DDG and as he is beter than Cech and also Neuer for me. He is the nr 1 GK in the world and if he isn't now than surely he'll be within a couple of years. In fact the only reasons why some people don't agree with this is because Courtois doesn't play at a big club yet (ofcourse he might win CL and Title with AM, I even believe they will and he will have been crucial in doing so). He is good enough to be nr 1 at any club in the world, and I even think the Chelsea position will be beneath him, this guy deserves to be keeping at Barca or Real atleast and I think over time he will.

We replaced VDS brilliantly with DDG, but knowing what I know now, I wouldn't dout a second to pick Courtois over him. He is so damn good, perfect keeper all round.

You can't compare the treatment keepers get in England with the treatment in Spain. De Gea might've struggled initially, but Courtois never received that sort of treatment in his career so far. Bit silly to hold that against De Gea arguing Courtois never had those problems. The fact he had those problems coupled with the intense media scrutiny and worked so hard to improve and overcome those problems, without ever complaining about it, is a sign of his incredible mental strength and professionalism. So I find it more than a little silly calling Courtois more professional, level-headed, etc. while there is absolutely no evidence for that. On the contrary, everything points to De Gea possessing those traits in abundance, and he has been tested more in that area during his career.

You're free to disagree of course, but if you want to do so, do it with solid arguments instead of absolutes like "most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he". That gets us nowhere.
 
All the Belgians are overrated.

No argument there, but then having foreign press (mostly English but lately even our own has followed suit unfortunately and there's even been a couple of voices saying we could reach the final :lol:) dub you "dark horses" for the WC is such an inane level of hype that it becomes meaningless all the same.

For what it's worth, in my opinion Courtois, Kompany, Witsel and De Bruyne were every bit as good as their hype suggested during the WCQ campaign. On the other hand, only Courtois has been able to translate that form to club level. The likes of Mertens and Mirallas were also pretty good but, intriguingly, probably better with their clubs this season.

Don't know what my fellow countrymen @Ainu and @NoArroJusBeta 's views on this are, but I'd say we've got at most 3 players who could be described as world class when they're at their best (Courtois, Kompany, Hazard) and only one consistently showing it for both club and country (Courtois) as opposed to only club (Hazard) or mostly* only country (Kompany).

*apart from City's title-winning season (2011-12)
 
You can't compare the treatment keepers get in England with the treatment in Spain. De Gea might've struggled initially, but Courtois never received that sort of treatment in his career so far. Bit silly to hold that against De Gea arguing Courtois never had those problems. The fact he had those problems coupled with the intense media scrutiny and worked so hard to improve and overcome those problems, without ever complaining about it, is a sign of his incredible mental strength and professionalism. So I find it more than a little silly calling Courtois more professional, level-headed, etc. while there is absolutely no evidence for that. On the contrary, everything points to De Gea possessing those traits in abundance, and he has been tested more in that area during his career.

You're free to disagree of course, but if you want to do so, do it with solid arguments instead of absolutes like "most level headed player on the world that I know off, never seen anyone that is more professional than he". That gets us nowhere.

So you are saying keepers in Spain aren't scrutinised by the media ? He is keeping at a team that is leading La Liga and is in the CL final, I'll tell you that is pressure and he has handled it imo beter than DDG (not saying DDG isn't worldclass, just saying never seen anyone like Courtois).

You want me to give another example, when Courtois was 16, he just got his debut at KRC Genk and the guy just keeped there on that day (and henceforth) like he was 35 year old regular that had done this already for decades. His words were along the lines off, it is not so different from a u21 match there is just a bit more people more. He never had any problems adjusting from the youth level to the first team at age 16 ! It was the same on his debut in Spain , a 19 year old coming from the Belgium first divison to La Liga on loan from Chelsea, didn't speak a word of Spanish to take over from DDG at AM. He immediatley slotted in like DDG never left, he picked up the language in a couple of months (fluently spanish right now) and is commanding his back line as the best. He has been such an important figure for AM, definitley delivered more in his time at AM than DDG (not the latter wasn't good, but Courtois is just on another level, ask the Atletico fans if you don't believe me). He is one of the most important reasons AM has a team right now good enough to win La Liga and play in the CL final. He got his debut in the national squad aged 19 aswell, same story there he just played like he was the first team regular there aswell. He didn't immediatly replaced Mignolet because Simon did very well for us and alot of people felt like he didn't deserve to be put out of the team (including me) but the new coach chose for Courtois, he has been goddamn right about it (and everybody now agrees Courtois is 2 levels ahead of Mignolet and is the clear undisputed nr 1). He had a brilliant performance in our qualifying campaign, alot of pople look at De Bruyne as our most important player, but the truth was it was Courtois that made our defence unplayable and was by far our most important player. The first time since Decades the Belgians will be in the WC and Courtois his performances have been vital in that success. Look at his stats, so many clean sheets, the amount of goals he lets in are just ridiculously low, both in the national team as at AM (sure it is not only his contribution that leads to that, but it is a clear indication of how good he is).

Not sure why you say DDG shot stopping is clearly beter than Courtois, I disagree, Courtois shot stopping is beter than anything I have seen from DDG to be honest, and again not saying DDG shot stopping isn't worldclass but Courtois is just beter (one of the if not the best I have ever seen). He commonly makes the most ridiculous (in a good minblowing way) saves, he always holds the ball, very secure. He has always been beter than DDG in the air aswell, very commanding, unbelievable amount of confidence in his game. You'd expect, just like DDG when put under pressure that he would struggle with some of these things, but he just deals with them like it is a complete non issue for him. He did that at age 16 at Genk and he is doing that now age 21 in a CL final team at AM. Sorry but this guy just has ice running through his veins, if he comes to Chelsea next year and keeps in the PL you'll see what i'am talking about. He'll be the same age as DDG when he had his first season here, and I guarantee you it will be a world of difference between the 2. I have no doubt he'll be seen as the best keeper in the PL by a mile without a shred of doubt. I have no doubt he'll deal with the media pressure and big expectations as if he never done anything else in his life. He is just that type of player and combined with the amount of talent and skill he has it makes him the clear nr 1 in the world.

You may call that silly arguments, but it is the genuine truth. I haven't seen a more finished player in the goal that Thibaut Courtois, at this age it really is mind blowing how good he is. I never thought 3 years ago he would become this good, that is why I say, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't doubt a second to pick him over DDG if I could, not a second. And it has nothing to do with his nationality, if he were Chinese I would say the same. The only difference is, I have seen him play regulary at different levels and I really how damn good he is. You guys will just have to see for yourself when he starts playing the PL, but I have no doubt after next year, most british people that follow the PL will consider him as the best in the world and definitley in the league. The only difference with me is I have seen enough of Courtois already to know that he will be that good.
 
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Nice to know. But at the same time you have to accept @NoArroJusBeta that there are enough ppl like myself who wouldn't think twice to keep/take DDG over Courtois. Also lets see first hoe he adapts to the PL. DDG had problems among others because the PL is much more physical than La Liga and he hardly got any protection here. Carroll for his ridiculous foul on him last season for example didn't even get a yellow.
 
I think he'll adapt quicker than De Gea due to his physical gifts. However he wont save some of the shots De Gea does when he really has no right to keep us in the game.
 
So according to NoArroJusBeta he's the perfect keeper who has no flaws whatsoever in his game and is the best in the world at everything. Right! :lol: