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Thibaut Courtois
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He makes saves just as spectacular as DDG, really.
I think most non United fans would have Courtois just for his sheer size compared to DDG. I think they're even as far as pure shot stopping goes.
I disagree completely and I've seen him let in plenty that I'm confident De Gea would keep out for us
That is true, but Courtois looks more physical than DDG to be honest, I don't think he'll be bothered by this too much.
So according to NoArroJusBeta he's the perfect keeper who has no flaws whatsoever in his game and is the best in the world at everything. Right!
Can't really think of many flaws in Courtois game, that is true. Nobody is perfect however Courtois is close it gets for me in terms of GK ability. Not taking the piss about this, 100% stand behind what I say about him. The guy still blows my mind if I think about how good he is.
Then you must have plenty of examples to back that statement up.
Ekeke had made his mind that Courtois would never be as good as De Gea before he'd even seen him play (in this very thread). There's no chance he'll ever change his point of view. Courtois could keep 38 clean sheets, stop 18 penalties and save the white Rhino yet he'd still not be fit to lace De Gea's boots.
He's better than Cech so I hope you piss him off.
He'll be our starting goalie for the first game of next season. I'm sure of it.
Apart from neur, I don't think there is any keeper as good as courtois. He almost single handedly won them the cup final last year. Chelsea are lucky to have him.
Ah I see, I have the feeling alot of United fans suffer the same condition. I got the feeling DDG is a bit overrated on here, I think he is a very good player for us, but the way some people talk about him and say that he is beter than someone like Courtois is a bit weird at best. Honestly I don't know any neutrals that rate DDG as high as he is rated on here. Most people don't even see him as the best of the PL (altough I don't agree with them) and absolutley nobody I know would even consider DDG to be as good as Courtois let alone beter.
Mourinho's been a knobend since he returned but not that big a knobend to loan out/sell Courtois.
Neuer and Courtois are a close pick, however taking everything into account I'd pick Courtois I think. Perhpas Neuer is a bit more complete than him right now because he also has more experience as he is like 7 years older, but there is not much between them and I think Courtois within a couple of years will be the best in the world beyond a shred of doubt.
Lucky for Chelsea, unlucky for the rest of the PL.
With Courtois in the goal, a proper striker upfront and a younger defence I think Chelsea will rip the PL apart next season.
So you think he's the best goalkeeper that ever lived? At twenty-one?
Reading the Caf regularly you'd swear De Gea was.
Like NoArra said above, our supporters rate DDG way higher than other supporters do.
I think he is the best active GK atm, on par with Neuer. Considering he is 21 and Neuer is 28, I rate Courtois higher as a total package. I have said absolutley nothing about best Goalkeeper ever. I have never said best ever (at 21), I have not seen the likes of Oliver Khan, Michel Preudhomme etc when they were playing, definitley not aged 21, so I couldn't judge on that.
That's a much better argument. Every time I see Courtois he impresses me. I hope Jose fecks him off!!
When someone starts using that type of statements, I think any form of discussion is well and truly over. Come back once you have a more balanced opinion. Your posts read like a fairytale.
I'd say only Courtois is world class. Hazard isn't there yet for me, but he's getting there eventually. Kompany, no, not for me. He has far too many defensive lapses to be called world class. At his best he's among the best defenders in the world, but he's rarely shown that type of form during prolongued periods.
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Sure do. Atletico Madrid 12/13 season go watch it like I did. I also posted in this thread a couple of times after he made errors that nobody seemed to be mentioning during the whole hyping him up as the best in the world thing was going on.
You know, stuff like this
Not going to disagree with any that as all good points but when adding DDG, he has done it in the EPL and that is a different and more demanding environment than la liga. Courtois size will help him but I'd be more confident with Neur making the adaptation to England with both Courtois and Neur. But I'm sure Courtois will adapt and be in the top 3 in the world.
Sorry but that is such a narrow view! DDG is every bit as good, if not better, than Courtois and I would say he has less howlers than Neuer. Neuer is a brilliant keeper but he is prone to more than the occasional brainfart moment and he lets in goals which should be stopped by a keeper of his standard.
Give it a few more weeks and we will be hearing about the mythical creature with God-like powers, that goes by the name of Courtois!
With a couple of excellent midfielders, and a quality experience CB, we will rip the league apart next season.
That mistake against Zenit was one of few I've seen from him in 3 seasons. He is quality. Looks calm and composed and plays like someone who has been in the game for years.
To be fair it was a freak own goal at an impossible angle, I don't think any goalie could have anticipated that.Sure do. Atletico Madrid 12/13 season go watch it like I did. I also posted in this thread a couple of times after he made errors that nobody seemed to be mentioning during the whole hyping him up as the best in the world thing was going on.
You know, stuff like this
He casually wanders back and barely jumps. Not one of the worst errors you will see, but we already had people in here calling him the best keeper in the world.
That is not true. It was a howler by the keeper, not some impossible save to make. He made a mistake, all keepers sometimes do that, it is not a big deal
Hence, my specificity on them only showing their best performances in a certain context (club level wrt Hazard and apart from 1 season with City, the NT-level wrt Kompany).
Hazard in his final season at Lille and this season at Chelsea has shown he has it in him to play at a world class level IMO, but I'd generally agree that he's overrated, because he lacks the consistency and he's been ridiculously poor for the NT since... well, forever. Re: Kompany, for the NT he's been immense for a good while now, a lot better than with City.
See that's it, crazy deflection but should be a routine for any keeper, he completely misjudges the flight of the ball, you can see by his reaction he knows it an absolute howler, hes in the position to save it but let's it go thinking its going wide.
I've said it previously that if you swap De Gea for Neuer or Courtois then these same people will be telling us De Gea is the beet I'm the world.
Neuer had made some bad mistakes in the last couple of years as well. Same for De Gea.
If you asked Bayern, Chelsea (Atletico) and United if they would swap their respective keepers, all three would say no. That's the most important thing. The margin of quality between the three is too small to matter whether one is better than the other.
If you asked Bayern, Chelsea (Atletico) and United if they would swap their respective keepers, all three would say no. That's the most important thing. The margin of quality between the three is too small to matter whether one is better than the other.
Yeah I can't recall too poor games by Kompany for our NT for a while now, but those games are so few and far between it's difficult to base a player's quality on them. Club form is a better indicator. I certainly hope he has a world class tournament this summer though, then he can go back to making defensive errors at City.
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It seems to me that quite a lot of DFs are performing at a higher level when they play for the NT than they do at their club sides and vice versa for most FWs. That has to be, in part, a function of international football (still) being a lot more conservative and more focused on not losing rather than winning, as opposed to club football where play has become more open and expansive in the past 5-6 years in my opinion, more focused on attacking (and thus scoring or even out-scoring).
It seems to me that quite a lot of DFs are performing at a higher level when they play for the NT than they do at their club sides and vice versa for most FWs. That has to be, in part, a function of international football (still) being a lot more conservative and more focused on not losing rather than winning, as opposed to club football where play has become more open and expansive in the past 5-6 years in my opinion, more focused on attacking (and thus scoring or even out-scoring).
This is what I think, too. All three are clearly incredibly good 'keepers, and there's so many other facets at play as regards their performances (confidence, the quality around them on the pitch, the defensive mindset of the team) that it's not really fair to compare them directly. Fact is, all three are brilliant, and none of the clubs would swap their 'keeper for one of the others. Of course one of them will be better than the other two because they're not going to exactly equal, but not only will that be difficult to determine, it'll also probably switch around as individual form fluctuates.
What gets annoying is people like NoArroJusBeta claiming that Coirtous is clearly the number one goalkeeper in the world, and that if the rest of us don't see it then it's simply because we haven't seen enough of him yet. Evidently, he's right up there, but the way he's getting eulogised it's as if he's the Messi of goalkeeping and there isn't even a Ronaldo around to compete. All the rest of the 'keepers are Milners in comparison.
That's not nearly as bad as this:Sure do. Atletico Madrid 12/13 season go watch it like I did. I also posted in this thread a couple of times after he made errors that nobody seemed to be mentioning during the whole hyping him up as the best in the world thing was going on.
You know, stuff like this
Can't really just pick out one howler in an argument like this. DDG has made his fair share of them too.
How is is it a narrow view when I am a neutral in this case. I have seen DDG for years at both atletico and united and and coutrois for the last three and he has definitely looked better. I know lots of other Madrid and barca fans that think he is a better keeper too. You said DDG has less howlers than neur and is as good as or better than courtois. Basically you are saying he is the best in the world and you are saying I have a narrow view. Lets see who does better at the world cup as such a great keeper would have to at least be a starter for his national team.
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This is my problem as well. I don't think anyone here claims Courtois isn't among the best keepers in the world, but he's making it out as if he's so far ahead of the pack, including De Gea, it's not even a contest. And you can't challenge that opinion with any argument apparently, because it's the "genuine truth" (exact quote). It's ridiculous.
I'll be the last person to say Courtois isn't a great keeper. I watched him burst onto the scene at Genk and was heavily in favour of dropping Mignolet some time before Courtois became number 1. I'm delighted to have him in our NT. But I still prefer De Gea. He's been phenomenal at United for 2 seasons now and I wouldn't change him for anyone. Could Courtois do the same? Perhaps, perhaps not, it's not a question I claim to have the answer to. What I do insist on though is that they are so close together that anyone claiming one is clearly superior to the other is talking out of his arse. There may be areas where one is clearly better than the other, but as a total package? Nah, I'm not having that.
That's not nearly as bad as this:
Can't really just pick out one howler in an argument like this. DDG has made his fair share of them too.
of course you cant, hence telling him to watch a lot of games from last season like I did. It was an example of "the best keeper in the world" making an error.
Courtois > DDG
Who cares. We have an awesome keeper in De Gea, there are much more glaring problems than our goalkeeping department.