being 6'7 has a certain effect as well.
Thibaut Courtois
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The funny thing is that he does as much - if not more - mistakes than De Gea. Cech was brilliant until the injury, very likely the best keeper in the world at that moment. Courtois has a lot to do in order to become as good, but yes, he gives a perception that he is very assured.
if you go back and watch chelsea in 04-05, i think you'll be really surprised at how many mistakes, bad mistakes cech was making even at his supposed best. I really don't think cech has changed very much compared to his prime, the key difference isn't him, it's his defence. Even at his best he had the same weaknesses, and made the same kinds of stupid mistakes.
I did feel, when Marcelo's shot went in, that he'd have been better off going with his feet. But instead, despite being nine foot tall or whatever, he tried to dive on it, and predictably couldn't get down in time.
hardly any actually....well that was the way it looked from my seat. He is still one of the top 2 or 3 in the PL.
I just dont get where this idea that DDG is a top world class keeper....seen him 'live' a few times and he makes easy saves look flashy and doesnt give confidence to the defence it seems.
Look flashy and doesn't give confidence is very subjective imo and if that is the worst you can say about DDG, then it's pretty clear, that he must be a very good goalkeeper. Our defence was awful this season, while Cech or Courtois have a fantastic back 4 in front of them. We never had a well attuned back 4 in his time here, in reality we rarely play with the same back 4 2 or 3 games in a row, that's also not easy for a goalkeeper. The defence should protect him and make him look better, not the other way around imo.
He is outstanding at shot stopping, better than any other keeper I saw in the last 2 seasons, solid at dealing with crosses nowadays, good with the ball on his feet and he rarely makes a big mistake, the gif from the last page was the only big error in his last 2 seasons. Every other top goalkeeper made at least the same amount of big errors, most of them even more. If it wasn't for the stupid media hunt in his first season here, everyone would recognize him as the fantastic goalkeeper he is.
Absolutely no way Cech was better than Buffon at any stage. He was "better" than him in the previous season because Buffon was injured but that's about it. And even then he was in a group of the best rather than the best, for me. He was just elevated to that status because of Chelsea's defence. Similar to Courtois now.
its not the worst I can say at all...but i am not into that.
I gave my opinion on seeing him 'live'...that was all.
Whats all this about because they have a really good back 4 infront of them then they cant be regarded as good as a gk who has a not so good defence in front....absolute tosh.
Some of the greatest GK's ever also had magnificent defences infront of them...lets disregard them all shall we.
Based on your theory...John Ruddy, David Stockdale and David Marshall are the best because they had more to do with ever changing rubbish defences
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Wasn't that his first error leading to a goal in about a year?
Well yeah, Buffon got injured by Kaka and missed the entire first part of the season so on that time Cech was the best IMO. Casillas IMO was always overrated a bit, VDS was playing on Fulham IIRC and Dida had already started the decline. Not much competition back then.
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dave also makes hard saves look easy. doesn't give confidence to the defence? i'd like to ask just how many times you've actually watched him. This may have been true 15 monthes ago, but not anymore. Hard to imagine that a keeper that doesn't give confidence to his team, was voted as the teams top player, by the players eh?
Courtois is blessed to be in a team with an amazing team solidarity. Everyone defends. Atletico's defense is also really solid. Since Simeone took over Atletico have become the masters of 1-0.
We'll see who's better when De Gea gets a decent defense. Because honestly, by the time he settled Rio, Vidic and Evra were past it.
We'll see who's better when De Gea gets a decent defense. Because honestly, by the time he settled Rio, Vidic and Evra were past it.
De Gea was the only player last season who gave me supreme confidence in every game he played.
I take it you mean actually going to matches.
Since he has been at Utd, most probably more than 95% of active users on this site.....you? and will throw back the Q at you about Cech and Courtois
The save he made when Bale scored was in a similar position and much more difficult. Absolutely sensational stop. So unlucky that Bale was in the right place at the right time.
The Marcelo goal was just one of those things. The Atletico players knew they were going to lose and were psychologically crushed, making errors all over the pitch. Can't blame a teenage keeper for getting caught up in the same malaise. He'd been flawless up to that point.
that's not a number, that's an excuse. i guess i'm wasting my time trying to have a discussion about this with you, seeing as you're just making up a load of rubbish based on the nothingness that you know.
Oh dear.
I did say based on the times I had seen him at a game. So my opinion is based on that....I understand other opinions and so should you rather than having a personal pop.
Struggling to understand what part of 95 isnt a number.....and you still havent replied about how many times you have seen DDG, Cech and Courtois
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Does Courtois get no credit for being part of that defensive set up? Keepers have a responsibility to help with the organisation of their back four...
What is the worst thing you can say about DDG ?
For Courtois, i like him because he does perfectly what he can do, but in the same time his distribution is average and he is not really dominant in the air (well it's probably because he doesn't need to)
Is this the point in the discussion where we start invalidating opinions based on the amount of times you've witnessed the player from the stands?
Of course......but I gave an opinion on what I thought having seen the players in question live and was slated for having an opinion that was different to most Utd fans on that. Like I have already said....I understand other opinions ....but its not my fault if others do not understand my points and then call meknow nothing etc.
I will stnd by my points that in my opinion that at the moment I dont think DDG is world class but still good and should get better.
Cech has proven himself and is still very good ( Not as good as 3 years ago) and Courtois has been ahead of his years for the past 3 seasons and been outstanding
I usually think that being at a game gives people a much better about how good certain players are. The nature of watching on tv means you don't get an appreciation for the movement and work-rate of some players. Or the way that Paul Scholes' is constantly looking all around him while he builds a picture of the pitch in his head. That said, goalkeeper is the only position in the eleven where you can see everything you need to know on tv. Daft to suggest otherwise IMO.
Your opinion consisted of saying De Gea makes easy saves look flashy and doesn't inspire confidence. That's a pretty controversial opinion and one I, along with most on here I would think, completely disagree with. Nothing wrong with having a completely different opinion, but I'd expect more elaborate arguments than "I've seen him live often". Especially when those "points" (a fancy term for a couple of throwaway comments) are just as easily judged on a tv screen as from the stands.
Actually it's easier to judge a goalkeeper on tv, unless you're on the pitch.
Or right behind the goal where you can in some cases hear them and watch the interaction with the defence
For 45 minutes, when they might have feck all to do. For the other 45 minutes they're a tiny speck in the distance. Definitely not a very good way to get an accurate idea of their overall contribution.
.still better than TV where you only see them when the ball is in the vicinity.
You can see virtually all of the interaction with the defence just fine on the tv. Either the team is defending and both the defence and keeper are in view (thanks to the wonderful world of widescreen tv) or the team is attacking and the defence is high up the pitch anyway.
It was an amazing save against Di Maria, and if my memory serves me correctly, he saved it with his feet, which is actually the point I was making. And just a FYI, he's not a teenager, he's actually only a year younger than DDG.
Prob the only keeper around I'd rate higher than DDG. Seems to be just as athletic despite his size advantage. I'm sure he'll be more tested at set pieces in the prem if recalled by Chelsea so that'll be interesting to see.
According to BBC wesbite, Mourinho has confirmed he is going to return to Chelsea next season
Oh bollocks, if they get Luis they're going to be virtually unstoppable next season.
Excellent news.
Will be interesting to see how Courtois reacts if he isn't playing weekly. He's already made it clear this summer that he has no affinity to Chelsea and he won't be happy to sit on the bench. Doubt Cech would be happy either. Mourinho is going to have a tough season on his hands if both stay at the club this year.
Great news for Chelsea. He is better than Cech IMO and we finally we'll see the two best (young) keepers in the world on the same league.
I remember hearing the same thing when they bought Sheva and Ballack in the same year. Remember how that turned out?
Good point but I can't see this one going tits up
What when we finished 6 points behind United with 83 points with Rooney Ronaldo and Van Nistlerooy? Hardly a disaster, and we arent facing a team as good as that next season.
Plus Shevva was coming to the end of his career, Fabregas and Costa are still at their peak. Ballack was a good signing over the time he was there.