If Perisic handball was deliberate, it's safe to say he isn't human with that reaction.
The World Cup Final: France vs Croatia (Kickoff 16H00 BST)
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Technology is killing the human aspect of football, just like statistics did before.
How should Perisisc expect that kante's head is gonna miss the ball!!
Not a penalty when it's about a "human" sport
How should Perisisc expect that kante's head is gonna miss the ball!!
Not a penalty when it's about a "human" sport
As it stands, France so don't deserve to win this. Really touch on Croatia. Sorry, but that was such a harsh penalty. No way is this over though.
I take back what I said about the Griezmann freekick. It was a dive.
But @Revan said the ref giving it means we don't know anything
I guess we are biased. Or dumb. Or both.
We're watching a WC final, with one side dominating so far, and people are debating whether or not would it be "deserved" if they actually won it fair and square because they apparently had easier route to the final and still beat everyone? 
Some people could watch football for 100 years and never understand it.
Some people could watch football for 100 years and never understand it.In the VAR age it's a penalty.
Let's be honest, that says more about your own agenda than anything else. WhoScored's ratings rate 7 other French players worse than him, which I think would chime would most people not obsessed with Pogba. The whole team have been crap, but he's the only player in the French team to create a chance from open play. Golden boy Mbappe got a free pass for that as usual.
Exactly this debate has been had about handballs 1000s of times before. VAR hasn't fixed that because it's the rule that's stupid, not the decisions. There's so much grey area. People just like the drama that surrounds these decisions and always fall back on a scapegoat.
Very harsh penalty call, similar to Rojo v Nigeria which wasn't a penalty.
Trouble here is guy is Latin ref and we see in La Liga pretty much all handballs in penalty area are given whether deliberate or not so guess it's same him reffing in South America.
Trouble here is guy is Latin ref and we see in La Liga pretty much all handballs in penalty area are given whether deliberate or not so guess it's same him reffing in South America.
They've done enough. Nothing special. I thought Belgium were unlucky against them. They play very boring football and their talisman is a diver. In this first half it is criminal that they are in the lead against the team that's actually up for it and trying to win.
People saying penalty are really allowing slow mo to have too much influence on their perception. He had no reaction time, no opportunity to move the ball deliberately to the ball. So soft.
VAR changes everything about defending, teams best prioritize set pieces to a greater degree than ever before.
VAR changes everything about defending, teams best prioritize set pieces to a greater degree than ever before.
If anything I'm biased the other way, I've got France in the office sweepstake!
Webb also calls out Griezemann for diving for the free kick
You don’t know the rules of football. Handball has to be deliberate.
I don't understand all the people saying the penalty decision was clear, one way or the other. Wouldn't the fact that all the people on here can't agree, the commentators can't agree, VAR telling the ref to look at it, and then the ref taking ages to make a decision...doesn't all that together make it obvious that it's a difficult decision? Personally I was leaning towards it not being a penalty, but I've got no problem whatsoever with the ref ultimately giving it.
Most goals in a final since 98
Mandzukic is a handful in the air.
Perisic is also eating pavard alive. There’s a reason you’ve never heard of pavard snd Hernández. They aren’t exactly top players.
Where was VAR for the first goal of France?! This is a joke..
Becomes more of a penalty, the more I see it.
His hand went toward the ball. Looks completely deliberate.
Also, would people rather he left his arms above is head or something?
He has to move them down you his side after his jump.
Ah, got you. Yeah, I can see that pov. Imo he’s much worse in that regard when playing for us. Kroatia have been all over France though, not easy to control possession when you set up to only counter, and barely even that.
Imo Kanté has been the worst player so far. Doesn’t excuse Pogba, of course, he’s long since shown he is massively underperforming when you look at his talent.
Feel like there's more goals in this.
The hand is moving like the hand of a person who's in the air and is moving towards the ground. Go ahead, stand up and try to jump as high as you can. Your hands aren't going to stay by your side. Hand go outwards from the body because that's how you keep balance.
He's behind the French attacker and jumping for a header. There's no way he's reacting with his arm by catching the ball in that position because I don't believe he's got the split second reflexes of an adult cat to realize that the French player didn't get the ball. That's how I know it's not intentional because I have the replays.
The French weren't denied anything. They've scored two goals now off the back of poor refereeing decisions.
You haven't played football in all your life if you think that's an impossible super human X-Men reaction.
The only problem, and one that I couldn't really resolve until the very last replay of the penalty incident that was played after the penalty, was whether the ball hit Matuidi before it reached Perisic.
Exactly.
Very debatable. It can go both ways, what is suspiscious is the last second drop of his hands.
I can't believe anyone actually thinks it's a handball let alone the ref
Howard Webb saying shouldnt be a pen. And clear dive (obviously)
Key word there is they are losing despite being so good.. oops.
I would much rather believe 6 active refs than a retired one though.But @Revan said the ref giving it means we don't know anything
Whole france team have been shit but yet let us criticize pogba alone.
Or hand in unnatural position.
Yes I agree that it's the refs fault, he made the final decision after looking at the video which makes the decision even more baffling.
You know what, i think i'm gonna change my mind here. Not a pen i think. Was no way obvious and probably shouldn't be given.
What is he saying?
Who was it that said Perisić isn't good again?
Croatia are a team of bullies. Not interested in playing football. Just gone out to kick and beat the shite out of France and big credit to them it's working beautifully. They shouldn't be behind. The free kick isn't a free kick. The penalty wasn't a penalty.
Sometimes that's all you have to do in a tournament. Portugal did enough v Poland, Wales and Croatia and France couldn't break their wall in the final.
Spain had a similar run at euro 2012. Even in 2010 by definition winning 1-0 is the bare minimum of things.
How do you know it was the wrong decision? You can't know what Perisic was thinking in his "human" brain.
All you can do is watch the replays. No different from what the ref did.