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[Ady87]

Had my Pfizer 2.20pm yesterday. Woke up 1am dripping sweat and absolutely rattling. Tried to go the toilet and physically couldn’t go because my body was vibrating so aggressively, never felt anything like it. I’ve got asthma and hayfever which made for an absolutely disgusting night. Fine now though.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Is what he is saying categorically untrue? Is it not possible for a vaccine to not show side effects in the longer term if it looks safe in the short term?(I don't know what durations 'short term' and 'long term' would be, say, 3 months and longer?)

I can see what Wibble wrote, but am curious to hear your view.

Vaccines like every other medicine can cause long term adverse effects. That's why the ongoing safety profile of every medicine is monitored after it comes to market. The nature of very long term side effects means you can't pick them up in the relatively short term clinical trials used to get a license. They are very rare though. And they usually result in minor tweaks to the license ( extra monitoring needed in certain patient groups etc)

Also important to bear in mind that vaccines are much less likely to cause long term effects than other medicines, as they're not taken over the long term. It doesn't make physiological sense for an intervention to cause adverse effects years after the desired clinical effect has worn off.

 

[11101]

Vaccines like every other medicine can cause long term adverse effects. That's why the ongoing safety profile of every medicine is monitored after it comes to market. The nature of very long term side effects means you can't pick them up in the relatively short term clinical trials used to get a license. They are very rare though. And they usually result in minor tweaks to the license ( extra monitoring needed in certain patient groups etc)

Also important to bear in mind that vaccines are much less likely to cause long term effects than other medicines, as they're not taken over the long term. It doesn't make physiological sense for an intervention to cause adverse effects years after the desired clinical effect has worn off.

I have read from a few different experts now that there are no vaccines we know of, of any kind, that have long term side effects. At least since the 60s when we started properly monitoring things. Everything appears within the first 6 months or so.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Everyone I've talked to seemed to have been through a simpler and quicker process to get their jab.

I had to wait in a queue for 10 minutes, sign a questionnaire, have a 5 minute interview with a nurse/administrator and was then ushered out of that 'pod' and into another where I was finally vaccinated by a doctor . After that process I was then told to wait in the hall for 15 minutes before I was asked to leave.

 

[Balljy]

I have read from a few different experts now that there are no vaccines we know of, of any kind, that have long term side effects. At least since the 60s when we started properly monitoring things. Everything appears within the first 6 months or so.

You could argue Dengvaxia caused longer term issues which were discovered down the line (albeit a couple of years later).

Dengvaxia controversy - Wikipedia

 

[Mb194dc]

I have read from a few different experts now that there are no vaccines we know of, of any kind, that have long term side effects. At least since the 60s when we started properly monitoring things. Everything appears within the first 6 months or so.

This is definitely wrong:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1114674/

There simply aren't many studies over multiple years or decades. There also can't really be a placebo group for already approved vaccines that need to be given to pretty much everyone.

 

[Charlie Foley]

I’m 29 and had my first one yesterday. Had the moderna one and only side effect so far is a dead arm. Was quite impressed at the efficiency of the whole thing really. Had my jab within 5 minutes of turning up.

I’m 29 and also got Moderna. Shot one was just a sore arm, shot two my arm actually hurt less, full range of motion without any real pain, but temperature went up to 101.2, but that’s all l. My girlfriend got Moderna way back and her arm hurt a lot but otherwise she just felt similar to being a bit hungover after the second one

 

[Charlie Foley]

Hearing from people at vaccination centres that anti-vaxxers are registering, turning up, queuing and going all the way up to the point of injection so they can refuse to consent. Presumably doing this to waste time and take up a slot that could go to someone else. Blows my mind that selfish horrible cnuts like this actually exist in real life. They must be so damaged.

fecking hell, I hope every step they take on the way home is in a pile of dog shit

 

[Balljy]

The first ruling in the court case between the EU and AZ has been made. It feels like the ruling is kind of in the middle at the moment with AZ being forced to deliver minimum set amounts for the next few months or face a fine per dose for any under-deliveries. They are being forced to use the UK production site to do that if needed to make the quota.

They don't have to deliver the amount the EU were asking for though.

There is a second ruling later in the summer on whether AZ made best efforts on the amount delivered so far.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57531064

 

[Renfurm]

Had my first shot of Pfizer a couple of hours ago and so far no side effects whatsoever. Didn't even feel the needle going in

 

[el3mel]

I took the first dose of Astrazeneca two days ago. First day I had some muscle spasm in my left shoulder and my temperature went up a little bit, but nothing major happened, I covered it with Paracetamol anyway. My second dose will be in Sep.

 

[RUUD_10_LEGEND]

Had my first dose today, a bit late due to having bought and then moved into a house 2 weeks ago and not had the time to book it in.

I had an, er, interesting experience. Ten minutes after the jab, while still in the post-jab waiting room, I suddenly felt hot and sick, and before I know it, I've passed out and fallen off the chair. Had a strange semi-conscious experience while out of it, then next thing I know I'm being woken by what I believe were ambulance staff. Before I've even come around properly they've got my legs up on a chair and are checking my blood pressure. Then my other half, who was jabbed at the same time as me, appeared.

No fear of needles or anything, just fainted almost out of nowhere 10 mins later! I guess this is why you have to wait 15 minutes after!

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Had my first dose today, a bit late due to having bought and then moved into a house 2 weeks ago and not had the time to book it in.

I had an, er, interesting experience. Ten minutes after the jab, while still in the post-jab waiting room, I suddenly felt hot and sick, and before I know it, I've passed out and fallen off the chair. Had a strange semi-conscious experience while out of it, then next thing I know I'm being woken by what I believe were ambulance staff. Before I've even come around properly they've got my legs up on a chair and are checking my blood pressure. Then my other half, who was jabbed at the same time as me, appeared.

No fear of needles or anything, just fainted almost out of nowhere 10 mins later! I guess this is why you have to wait 15 minutes after!

Yup. Imagine what would’ve happened if you’d hopped in a car to drive home straight after your jab.

 

[alsabi]

Managed to rebook my second vaccine appointment and bring it forward by three weeks (had my first last week). Definitely worth looking into if you'd like to get it done earlier - the gov.uk booking system now displays a page showing availability before you confirm cancellation of your current booking.

 

[Giant Midget]

Had my first dose of Moderna yesterday. My 2nd dose was originally Sept 03 and 1 hour 15 mins away from me. Got it rescheduled to August 13 to a center that’s 15 mins away from me.

 

[Santos J]

Managed to rebook my second vaccine appointment and bring it forward by three weeks (had my first last week). Definitely worth looking into if you'd like to get it done earlier - the gov.uk booking system now displays a page showing availability before you confirm cancellation of your current booking.

Got a link? I can't find it on there

 

[alsabi]

Got a link? I can't find it on there

NHS.UK sorry https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coron...rus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

 

[sugar_kane]

Managed to rebook my second vaccine appointment and bring it forward by three weeks (had my first last week). Definitely worth looking into if you'd like to get it done earlier - the gov.uk booking system now displays a page showing availability before you confirm cancellation of your current booking.

Not seeing that when I try… still just getting the button “cancel and rebook appointment” - worried if I click it it’ll automatically cancel the one I’ve got in for end of August and I might end up with something even later in the year.

 

[alsabi]

Not seeing that when I try… still just getting the button “cancel and rebook appointment” - worried if I click it it’ll automatically cancel the one I’ve got in for end of August and I might end up with something even later in the year.

That threw me off as well - but when I clicked that it went to a screen showing availability and only after that there was the option to confirm the cancellation.

 

[sugar_kane]

That threw me off as well - but when I clicked that it went to a screen showing availability and only after that there was the option to confirm the cancellation.

Cheers mate just took the plunge and tried it after seeing a couple of articles saying similar and it worked!

Managed to get one three weeks earlier than my previous appointment - result!

 

[Santos J]

NHS.UK sorry https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coron...rus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

Thanks mate

Not seeing that when I try… still just getting the button “cancel and rebook appointment” - worried if I click it it’ll automatically cancel the one I’ve got in for end of August and I might end up with something even later in the year.

Same, if you click it and there's spaces available at the centre you're currently booked at it'll give you the option to see earlier ones. If not you'll have to cancel and hope you get lucky, I cancelled mine on 30th August and got one for the 6th of August now so not too bad.

 

[Pexbo]

Had my first dose of Moderna yesterday. My 2nd dose was originally Sept 03 and 1 hour 15 mins away from me. Got it rescheduled to August 13 to a center that’s 15 mins away from me.

I’ve literally just done the same but two week earlier dates.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Not seeing that when I try… still just getting the button “cancel and rebook appointment” - worried if I click it it’ll automatically cancel the one I’ve got in for end of August and I might end up with something even later in the year.

That threw me off as well - but when I clicked that it went to a screen showing availability and only after that there was the option to confirm the cancellation.

I just went through it, on the available dates before I cancelled it said I could go on the 29th June but when I actually went through with it I was offered the 13th July as the earliest. Nonetheless, its a month sooner than my original appointment.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

My friend had a terrible reaction to the AZ second dose. Knee pain to the point where he was bed bound for a week and even now a few weeks later is struggling to walk comfortably.

I guess this is one of the reasons some countries limit AZ approval?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

My friend had a terrible reaction to the AZ second dose. Knee pain to the point where he was bed bound for a week and even now a few weeks later is struggling to walk comfortably.

I guess this is one of the reasons some countries limit AZ approval?

You'd have to ask @Pogue Mahone or another doctor but is knee pain even a legitimate side effect? Sounds like something unrelated to the vaccine happened coincidentally when they had the vaccine.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

You'd have to ask @Pogue Mahone or another doctor but is knee pain even a legitimate side effect? Sounds like something unrelated to the vaccine happened coincidentally when they had the vaccine.

It’s definitely not related to the AZ safety concerns anyway. Does sound a bit unlikely. With sudden onset knee pain severe enough to leave you bedbound I would definitely seek medical help for a proper diagnosis.

 

[Jippy]

Hearing from people at vaccination centres that anti-vaxxers are registering, turning up, queuing and going all the way up to the point of injection so they can refuse to consent. Presumably doing this to waste time and take up a slot that could go to someone else. Blows my mind that selfish horrible cnuts like this actually exist in real life. They must be so damaged.

Wow that's remarkable. Do they unfurl banners or anything or just be belligerent and waste as much time as possible?

 

[711]

My friend had a terrible reaction to the AZ second dose. Knee pain to the point where he was bed bound for a week and even now a few weeks later is struggling to walk comfortably.

I guess this is one of the reasons some countries limit AZ approval?

Thousands of people have always fallen ill with something every day, before covid appeared on the scene. Now with over 400,000 vaccinations a day in the UK a fair few of those vaccinated will still fall ill, they would have anyway, whether they had been vaccinated or not. You can't blame every illness on the vaccine, the great majority of them will be just coincidental.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Thousands of people have always fallen ill with something every day, before covid appeared on the scene. Now with over 400,000 vaccinations a day in the UK a fair few of those vaccinated will still fall ill, they would have anyway, whether they had been vaccinated or not. You can't blame every illness on the vaccine, the great majority of them will be just coincidental.

Coincidental that it happened within seconds of the second jab and he couldn't even drive home. It was an immediate reaction that also effected the arm which received the jab.

Don't think it was coincidental, I'm afraid.

Also, the GP has since said it is a known side effect.

So no, your hypothesis is not entirely relevant.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Coincidental that it happened within seconds of the second jab and he couldn't even drive home. It was an immediate reaction that also effected the arm which received the jab.

Don't think it was coincidental, I'm afraid.

Also, the GP has since said it is a known side effect.

So no, your hypothesis is not entirely relevant.

Simultaneous arm and knee pain on one side makes absolutely no sense as a possible vaccine reaction. There’s no biologically plausible cause for that combination. The GP was wrong to call that a known side effect.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Simultaneous arm and knee pain on one side makes absolutely no sense as a possible vaccine reaction. There’s no biologically plausible cause for that combination. The GP was wrong to call that a known side effect.

The arm immediately swelled around the jab point. It wasn't the same sympton as the knee pain.

Strange that it happened at the exact same time as the injection. Joint pain is also listed as a common side effect. This is presumably just an extreme form of that.

I can understand the argument that the vaccine is still for the greater good and reduced risk of covid etc. But considering the vaccine is in relatively early stages I think it is rather closed minded to rule this side effect out as quickly as you have.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-19-vaccine-astrazeneca#possible-side-effects

Interesting that despite all of this you think you know better than a qualified GP.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The arm immediately swelled around the jab point. It wasn't the same sympton as the knee pain.

Strange that it happened at the exact same time as the injection. Joint pain is also listed as a common side effect. This is presumably just an extreme form of that.

I can understand the argument that the vaccine is still for the greater good and reduced risk of covid etc. But considering the vaccine is in relatively early stages I think it is rather closed minded to rule this side effect out as quickly as you have.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...-19-vaccine-astrazeneca#possible-side-effects

Interesting that despite all of this you think you know better than a qualified GP.

A sore arm after the jab is incredibly common. That’s an injection site reaction. Obviously not related to whatever happened with your friends knee.

Joint pain is a known side effect. But would typically affect a few different joints at once. On both sides of the body. Nobody is ruling out side effects. Just the link between his unilateral knee pain and arm pain that you’re making. If the GP said that combination is a well known side effect then he/she is wrong. I suspect they didn’t say that though. Probably just giving general reassurance to your anxious friend.

And it’s definitely possible the knee pain isn’t related to the vaccine at all.

 

[Red_toad]

Getting my first Pfizer jab 1st of next month, work with so many conspiracy theorists I'll just not tell anyone at work , they annoy the crap out of me with things they've read from people who they follow (who generally have no expertise in the area)

 

[711]

Coincidental that it happened within seconds of the second jab and he couldn't even drive home. It was an immediate reaction that also effected the arm which received the jab.

Don't think it was coincidental, I'm afraid.

Also, the GP has since said it is a known side effect.

So no, your hypothesis is not entirely relevant.

You don't know what hypothesis means. What I stated is factually correct, I referred to the great majority, which means just that, not that it definitely applies to your mate.

 

[Dante]

My first vaccine was at a centre 3 miles from my flat. My second one is booked at a Superdrug 20 yards down the street.

One thing that worried me with the first jab was that the nurse didn't bother to sterilise my arm before sticking the needle in me.

 

[Penna]

My first vaccine was at a centre 3 miles from my flat. My second one is booked at a Superdrug 20 yards down the street.

One thing that worried me with the first jab was that the nurse didn't bother to sterilise my arm before sticking the needle in me.

Well, he or she should have swabbed your arm. The needle is sterile though and it's not going straight into your bloodstream.

How fantastic that you can get a vaccination so close to your home! Who's actually giving them at Superdrug?

 

[Dante]

Well, he or she should have swabbed your arm. The needle is sterile though and it's not going straight into your bloodstream.

How fantastic that you can get a vaccination so close to your home! Who's actually giving them at Superdrug?

Hopefully it's someone qualified and not some random 16 year old on minimum wage doing a bit of shelf-stacking before college.

I'll find out who in a couple of weeks. And if they try and skip the swab, I'll tell them to take it up with Penna off t'internet!

 

[Wolverine]

My first vaccine was at a centre 3 miles from my flat. My second one is booked at a Superdrug 20 yards down the street.

One thing that worried me with the first jab was that the nurse didn't bother to sterilise my arm before sticking the needle in me.

Skin prep/sterilisation has no evidence base in preventing infection. Still done weirdly by many nurses, vaccinators as thought to be "common practice" but WHO, NHS guidance clear that not necessary
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/861/UK best practice guidance vacc admin 2001.pdf
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/81/7/Hutin0703.pdf

Summation of evidence (or lack there of) here
https://www.inmo.ie/magazinearticle/printarticle/6696

 

[Penna]

Skin prep/sterilisation has no evidence base in preventing infection. Still done weirdly by many nurses, vaccinators as thought to be "common practice" but WHO, NHS guidance clear that not necessary
http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/861/UK best practice guidance vacc admin 2001.pdf
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/81/7/Hutin0703.pdf

Summation of evidence (or lack there of) here
https://www.inmo.ie/magazinearticle/printarticle/6696

I'd still do it, even if I'm out of date. They all do it out here too, doctors and nurses. I wouldn't particularly care if they didn't do it before my own injection, though - new needle, intramuscular, not a big deal.

 

[Dan_F]

NHS.UK sorry https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coron...rus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

Thank you! Managed to move mine up to the 8th of August instead of September. And my partner was able to cancel and rebook at a site way closer than where she got the first dose.