The first 200m would be by the end of this year and the next 300m will be distributed in the first half of 2022. Hopefully that gives time for the cold chain to be stood up in recipient countries.
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The first 200m would be by the end of this year and the next 300m will be distributed in the first half of 2022. Hopefully that gives time for the cold chain to be stood up in recipient countries.
I was fine for the first few days then started feeling very tired. I also got the chills.
I have woken up sweaty as feck with a horrible headache on the right side which includes my teeth.
likely not the same as you it seems.Feels like it!
How did you get a second one booked so soon?! Mine is in fecking August
Ah shit! Get a few paracetamols inside you and make the most of a sick dayI have woken up sweaty as feck with a horrible headache on the right side which includes my teeth.
5 weeks between Pfizer jabs is the standard in Belgium, so when I confirmed my first one yesterday, July 14th was the only option I got for the second dose. AZ is still 12 weeks but can be shortened in some cases IIRC, no idea about Moderna.
No side effects apart from a sore arm this morning, but I always have that after vaccines. So far so good.
Moderna is the same as Pfizer here, and across all of Europe i think. 35 to 42 days for the second dose. My second Moderna is also July 14th, although from the end of June Italy will bring the dates back to the original 21/28 days.
The UK is operating different timelines with all of them being given 8 to 12 weeks after the first.
Ah shit! Get a few paracetamols inside you and make the most of a sick day
I fell back to sleep and just woke up feeling fine
Feels like I've been given a dead arm by the school bully but apart from that I'm fine. Did wake up feeling like I'd had an incredible sleep though!
Is this legit ?
Very small study so results should be taken with a massive pinch of salt. Also bear in mind this study wasn’t looking at it as a treatment. It was being taken by healthy people to try and prevent covid. With vaccines available that are considerably more effective than the best possible results from this study you’d have to be absolutely desperate to indefinitely dose yourself with daily hydroxychloroquine instead.
tl;dr No.
Cool....thanks. Right wingers all over social media are gleefully celebrating that Trump was right all along, so this helps contextualize things a bit.
My father in law is a cardiologist, used to work in Arizona but is now in Canada...anyway I guess he got in touch with an old colleague from Arizona who told him that they were pretty much prescribing it to everyone for Covid earlier in the year and was trying to tell my in law to do the same in Canada
Crazy how stuff like science and Healthcare is influenced by politics.
Heard there were shortages of hydroxychloroquine as well which actually has an impact on people who actually need it for things that it has real usages for, like lupus.
Getting my 2nd dose today! 1 month after my 1st (may 11th). Helps knowing a pharmacist. Messaged me saying they had 2 extra doses of moderna that were set to expire at noon so I could come in the morning. Love it!
Actually, re-reading that summary there wasn’t even a placebo arm. So the whole thing is complete bollox. You can see why right wingers lap it up. Yer man even talks like Trump.
It also suggests that the AZM, not the HQC was the source of the alleged good results
I've now booked my vaccine appointments. When I looked earlier this week, all of the available options weren't walking distance but fortunately one appeared today. Hopefully I don't have any side effects as I'm donating blood in a couple of weeks and it's always a pain finding an appointment for that.
Had my first dose (Pfizer) yesterday morning. I'd heard about getting a sore arm afterwards but I wasn't aware as to exactly how sore. By the time I went to bed I couldn't lift or hold anything without pain and I couldn't lie on my left side which is how I usually sleep. Wasn't prepared for the soreness. Had no other side effects though.
I remember at the very beginning of the pandemic watching Dr. Vladimir Zelenko talk about his combination of Hydroxychloroquine, Azithromyocin and Zinc treatment for his Covid 19 patients in New York and he said he had excellent success. I had no reason to doubt his sincerity when I watched and nothing has changed. I believe he was telling the truth and his combination of H, A and Z was and is very successful.
If it really was a cure, it would soon have been approved as such, doctors would have been pumping patients full of this cocktail and they wouldn't have died.
There is no pharmaceutical cure for Covid, there's only vaccination to lessen the risk of catching it and to reduce the incidence of serious illness if you do catch it.
..a few hours later my appointments have been cancelled for some reason
Update on vaccine efficacy from PHE/NHS stats.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...741/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_23.pdf
Vaccine effectiveness against the Delta (India/B.1.617.2) variant:
Dose 1 33.2% (25.8 to 39.9) Dose 2 88.4% (85.7 to 90.7) 80.8 (76.3 to 84.4)
Those are down from 50.2% Dose 1, 88.4% against the Alpha (Kent/B.1.1.7)variant
Those are against any symptomatic infection.
In terms of hospitalisations the protection is stronger. These stats are still mostly based on effectiveness against the Alpha variant though, but early indications on the Delta variant are that it's similar after two doses:
" Several studies have estimated the effectiveness against hospitalisation in older adults, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation after a single dose than that seen against symptomatic disease, around 75 to 85% after 1 dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine (3, 8, 9, 10). Data on 2 doses is only currently available for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and indicates effectiveness against hospitalisation of around 90 to 95% (10). "
Summary: vaccines work.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...741/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_23.pdf
Vaccine effectiveness against the Delta (India/B.1.617.2) variant:
Dose 1 33.2% (25.8 to 39.9) Dose 2 88.4% (85.7 to 90.7) 80.8 (76.3 to 84.4)
Those are down from 50.2% Dose 1, 88.4% against the Alpha (Kent/B.1.1.7)variant
Those are against any symptomatic infection.
In terms of hospitalisations the protection is stronger. These stats are still mostly based on effectiveness against the Alpha variant though, but early indications on the Delta variant are that it's similar after two doses:
" Several studies have estimated the effectiveness against hospitalisation in older adults, all of which indicate higher levels of protection against hospitalisation after a single dose than that seen against symptomatic disease, around 75 to 85% after 1 dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine (3, 8, 9, 10). Data on 2 doses is only currently available for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and indicates effectiveness against hospitalisation of around 90 to 95% (10). "
Summary: vaccines work.
Azithromyocin is an anti-viral that does help treat covid. Zinc will help if you are zinc deficient only. Hydroxychloroquine does not good and can be harmful not matter anyone's sincerity.
Ok yeah the 2nd dose hits WAY harder than the first. Chills/headache/body aches after 12 hours basically. 1st one just had a sore arm and felt lethargic.
Yeah, take some tylenol/acetaminophen and ibuprofen if you haven't. I woke up about 2am absolutely miserable but felt ok once I took the tylenol and ibuprofen. I was functional the rest of the day at least.
My sister-in-law is a pharmacist who was doing a vaccination clinic locally and had a few extra doses they had to use before 8pm one night in March. I called a couple friends who got vaccinated at my house.
Italy is moving towards an outright ban of the AZ vaccine for under 60s, rather than a recommendation against it, following another thrombosis death. Second doses would be changed to Pfizer or Moderna and remaining AZ doses to be 'disposed of', either destroyed or donated to whoever wants them.
Wears off within a day or 2. Congrats
Would be absolutely criminal to destroy them. Risk outweighs benefit by a country mile in countries struggling to contain covid and there’s no way a single death makes any meaningful difference to risk:benefit profile. I honestly think they should be prosecuted if they destroy such an important and finite resource.
The key question for me is whether the protection against hospitalisation is similar after one dose against delta than it is against alpha. If it is with 80% of over 18s vaccinated that’s a good level of protection in the community. I haven’t seen anything on that yet though.
Got my first Pfizer shot yesterday. Arm is a bit sore, otherwise not too bad.
2nd booked in after 11 weeks via NHS site, but apparently they’re pushing for 2nd doses after 8 weeks so hopefully they’ll call me back sooner.
2nd booked in after 11 weeks via NHS site, but apparently they’re pushing for 2nd doses after 8 weeks so hopefully they’ll call me back sooner.
They haven't specified yet but i think it will be a case of donating them unless they're too close to expiry, the government has been happy to donate doses and money so far.
Final decision on all of it is expected today. Basically we have more than enough Pfizer/Moderna now and the government is getting tired of clotting cases turning up in the news every other week.
There isn't enough of Pfizer/Moderna still in EU unless uptake is bad. Pfizer will have lower deliveries in July.
Whatever it takes to increase uptake, I guess. The idea of destroying perfectly good vaccines while other countries are so desperately in need is horrifying though. AZ has a decent shelf life, so hopefully they sort something out.
We got/are getting roughly 37 million Pfizer and Moderna doses in Q2 and are expecting 45 million in Q3. Moderna will deliver 3x the number they did in Q2.
The numbers per capita should be roughly the same across all of Europe.
Pfizer told yesterday that numbers in July will be around 40% lower than in June. You probably will have enough in September but not really sooner. Good news on Moderna, that I wasn't aware of, but it doesn't compensate for Pfizer in July.
Yep, you're right and that's difficult at there moment, as you're basically looking at hospitalisation running 10-14 days behind cases. It looks like it will be good news on that so far - based on some modelling of the age group normally hospitalised by covid v who is currently being hospitalised.
You need to do some maths based on historic deaths/hospitalisations (v age/clinical risk) to know why that's good news for vaccines.
Curevac was supposed to be coming online in June but that’s been pushed out. Which makes the Pfizer decrease more of a problem.
Just had my first jab. A bit late, as I was first contacted to book in 30th April, but a hefty work schedule and terrible phobia of hospital environments and needles meant I didn't go straight away.
Got the Pfizer one in a tent pitched in my local market place. Couldn't have gone any smoother, and feeling really relieved now I've got the first one out of the way.
Got the Pfizer one in a tent pitched in my local market place. Couldn't have gone any smoother, and feeling really relieved now I've got the first one out of the way.
Do you have a source for that? I see Norway has a couple of articles on a 33% reduction for them, but no other news and nothing from the government here in Italy.
If those reductions are across Europe, Italy will lose approx 3 million Pfizer doses in July but gain 3 million Moderna. So net no major difference.
Finnish authority got confirmation from Pfizer as well as Norway. No other sources unfortunately, but highly reliable. I would say it is a little bit bigger reduction than that (more than 100k per week in Finland, so should be over million per week in Italy), and depends how the increase in Moderna is divided. I would guess it isn't 3x in July, but less than that, and then more in September (but only a guess).