The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Very interesting to see what happens in Ukraine.
Funding for Ukraine is essentially a big old socialist jobs program. What will the military industrial complex's lobbyist do and say when all of a sudden all that Ukraine money starts to dry up? I believe the US have sent over $65bil so far.
My brother actually just sent me a FB post someone made today talking about “woke up today to lower interest rates and grocery prices!” like it miraculously already changed and so I sent him that tweetthe blue line is going down too! it's pretty great
No, its a handout, according to the general public in the US, same with the public in Europe, tried explaining to people i know what you are saying, but they are all-in on misinformation, impossible to change their minds.
Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine lets be real, outside of those who could be directly impacted, mainly Baltic states, Moldova and Poland, though Poland at least have a strong defense these days, so wouldn't worry much about them.
My brother actually just sent me a FB post someone made today talking about “woke up today to lower interest rates and grocery prices!” like it miraculously already changed and so I sent him that tweet
i have most of my money in CDs and i cant believe trump personally reduced the interest i'm getting. that's one vote lost, sir!
Maybe Trump and team think that via Bazos, they have the ability to quieten down disent from WAPO. Wont work for NY Times though, or cable networks.
CNN will love the fact Trump is back. Their ratings dropped once he left office. People tune in to get outraged.
I expect Trump will be in the briefing room taking questions. He thinks he is his own best spokesman. This is where people will start to get sick of him again. People dont want an ever present President - he is impossible to tune out.
That is what the people think, sure. But the US Senators and Congressmen who have their pockets lined by Military lobbyists will want that funding for Ukraine to continue.
If Ukraine were figting lets say Turkey, the funding would continue. The only issue is Trump's relationship with Trump - im convinced Putin still has a hold over him in some way! They will have kompromat that Trump would hate to see out there.
There is plainly nothing to worry about.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/08/europe/ukraine-trump-elon-musk-zelensky-intl-latam/index.html
My brother actually just sent me a FB post someone made today talking about “woke up today to lower interest rates and grocery prices!” like it miraculously already changed and so I sent him that tweet
All because there was a buy one, get one free dial on yogurts at Krogers! You can thank Trump for that!
NATO has given Ukraine barely enough to just hold on, they could have given them decisive aid years ago, but they didn't, US is to blame, Europe is to blame.
I mean, sure, it is possible that Trump could be persuaded to do another round of military aid, who knows, but at this point, i'm leaning more and more towards just freezing the conflict for a few years myself, no paper signed by Putin is worth anything in my mind, Russia will come for the rest of Ukraine eventually, but hopefully Ukraine will be better prepared by then.
My brother actually just sent me a FB post someone made today talking about “woke up today to lower interest rates and grocery prices!” like it miraculously already changed and so I sent him that tweet
It's just remarkable that these people, enjoying this relatively incredible post pandemic economy, feel that they've suffered such hardship, and that such a micro change of price is evidence of their beliefs.
I wonder if they'll choose to ignore such anecdotal changes as Trumps actual impact eventually hits them. Or, will they just suffer silently and commit to a cut-my-nose-off-to-spite-my-face existence while billionaires continue to suck up the riches which everyone should have been enjoying.
Even after watching Brexit happen alongside the first Trump presidency, I didn't think I'd ever witness people abandoning reason for madness on this scale.
They'll just blame the Dems.
Could the data be manipulated by bots or something? Can understand why they've flipped sentiment. Or wishful thinking? Maybe a bit of new found loyalty to the leader?the blue line is going down too! it's pretty great
Which is why the energy on the Dems side at the moment is very much washing their hands out of this. The Republicans will take the House with an extremely slim majority, so Dems will close rank and force them to vote in unison for every single piece of legislation they want passed, and if they cant muster up the votes for it, too bad.
Republicans have proven that they can't govern, the last 2 years Mike Johnson has been able to hide that by blaming Biden administration. There's no hiding now, let's see how popular they are once the price of eggs doesn't drop. If they get only 219-216, I doubt they can even elect a Speaker.
There is always an excuse to back Trump, well, on just about everything, i believe just about everyone who votes for him are cultists, even if they don't admit it.
What energy? Trump gets to replace at least 2 elderly justices/hacks during the next 4 years, cause there is absolutely no way dems take back the senate until 28.
Yes, dems might scrape by the house in 26, hollow victory, it doesn't actually mean anything, republicans take the main price.
Energy doesn't have to be positive, you know that right?
Back in 2017 they were angry, Resist Libs and all that, and they tried to mitigate the worst of Trump's policies and negotiated with house Rs when they can. I mean even just 2 years ago they helped Rs elect their Speaker when those dumbfecks couldn't get it done in 2 months, none of that this time.
Obstruction works. Yes, the court is fecked for the forseeable future, but as long as you stay out of the way, Rs will destroy themselves, they can't govern. Let's see how grateful their constituents are whey they tried to cut SS, Medicare, and repeal the ACA. No crossover vote, force them to use every single vote they have on every piece of legislation they want. Then if any succeeds, just claim the credits in your district/state, since facts don't matter nowadays anyway.
What’s got people concerned about the government change? Genuinely asking here—not trying to stir things up. I don’t know your situation, but if there’s anything I can help clarify, I’d be glad to. Feel free to DM if that’s easier!
That graph is useless because the sharp change in sentiment based on nothing happening, in both directions, is obviously skewed to future projections. Democrats would be fearful of tariffs replacing income tax and crashing the global economy. MAGA believe china is paying the tariffs and their items will be cheaper.
They will just blame it on China, transgender people existing, people not having faith in God, deep state, whatever.
I'm being serious, at least in 16 Trump scraped by some fluke electoral win, this time, people really, really wanted him back, he has changed people in a profound way.
Just like GWB got a 'mandate' after 2004 win?
I don't really get this despair. Once CA finish counting he will probably match or be just a smidge over his 2020 number, the story of the election is a lot of libs stayed home and a chunk of previously left leaning people voted for him because of the price of eggs, not 'Trump changed people'. In over 100 days, Harris went from double digit down in the polls Biden starting point to within 250k votes in 3 states to win it, Democratic Senate candidates won in 5 out of 6 battlegrounds, and House Dems probably either gain a seat or end up exactly where they were before the election. Yes, it fecking sucks what happened, but let's not blackpill ourselves. There are plenty of cards Dems can play to make their lives miserable, starting from obstruction in Congress, to blue states butting head with whatever EOs he cooked up. If Republicans can come back from 08, Dems can this time too, and frankly, even with running the same old neoliberal playbook, as long as they obstruct hard and obstruct well. I mean, this is the knowledge level of the average voter
Obviously he’s fundamentally changed people. Didn’t a large number of Americans believe that Obama is Muslim or that Hilary runs some sex trafficking operation? The rot of idocity and bigotry is set deep.
only one country stands for free trade and the neoliberal world order
That’s true as well. While he has fundamentally changed republican base, he also has gotten a similar amount of votes as last time. It’s the democracts who have sunk, which can be put down to their efforts, candidates and strategy and also to the republican machinery of misinformation and hate being more well ingrained and legitimised.
Sorry but what is this obsession with wanting to punish China? I would have thought you need to maintain relations and trade with one of the world’s biggest economies ? Can the US even afford deteriorating relations with them?
If Camacho wasn't already a movie-character, i'm not sure i'm joking if Terry Crews would be a good candidate for dems in 28.
There’s a lot to be concerned about, though maybe not in the way you’d expect. Trump’s gearing up to slash through Washington’s bureaucracy—what he likes to call the “deep state.” And one way that bureaucracy might fight back? By stirring up war. Not a civil war, mind you, but an international one.
Think about it: the federal government’s current size is mostly thanks to never-ending wars. The main physical impact of WWII here was the Pentagon—the biggest office building in the world. The DHS, is the legacy of 9/11. Wars don’t just expand governments; they shift people’s attitudes, reshape society (usually in terrible ways), and create a climate where people are too scared to question authority because they feel dependent on it.
A lot of money has been funneled toward a potential conflict with Iran this past year—that’s the war the neocons and hawks seem to have their eye on ( “DOJ thwarts Iran plot to kill Trump” story just hit the tape earlier as if on queue
). So, if a war with Iran kicks off, any talk of shrinking government is off the table. Bottom line: Washington’s “blob” might just spark a war to keep its power and influence intact.P.S. That CNN story? Complete nothing burger. Zelensky’s time is up, and Ukraine’s about to get pulled out of the meat grinder.
A centrepiece of Trump's campaign was that he would fix the economy by putting tariffs on imported goods, especially from China. This would (magically) reduce inflation and bring back jobs. Hostility against china is widespread and biaprtisan in the US, though the Dems know that blanket tariffs will probably cause a lot of economic problems and so Biden did only partial tariffs.
More broadly, the US needs to prepare for a new cold war and make sure Chinese Communist influence is contained and the US position of unquestioned worldwide dominance remains. Weakening the Chinese economy, even with some cost to their own, is in their strategic interest.
A great success for this program has been heavy tariffs on solar panels which China overproduced in the last few years and is exporting cheaply. This makes sure that China is punished for their state-directed economic mistakes. And happily for the US, the EU has also joined in these tariffs.
Good question! If Trump’s policies work and the economy does well, he’ll definitely get credit from his supporters and critics will say it happened despite him or argue it's only a short-term fix that’ll eventually crash. People will spin it to fit their own views, no matter the outcome.
I don’t think he ever expected to win the first time around—it was more like he tripped into defeating Hillary. He didn’t have people lined up to run the show, and even he admitted that, so all sorts of strange characters ended up in key spots, making his first term way more of a circus than it had to be. This time, though (hopefully!), things might be different. He seems more focused, with people on deck who actually share his vision and are on the same page.
Plus, the media never really gave him a chance, throwing everything from the Russia stuff to non-stop bad press his way. And hey, since he’s not running again, maybe folks will dial down the partisanship and try to look at things more objectively this time around.
No need to be concerned about that. Trump is the anti-war candidate (elect), remember?
He’s firing them, remember?
Let's hope so
It doesn't worry you at all that almost Trump's first act is to include a lunatic businessman in his first post-election conversation with a world leader who is fighting a dangerous megalomaniac like Putin?There’s a lot to be concerned about, though maybe not in the way you’d expect. Trump’s gearing up to slash through Washington’s bureaucracy—what he likes to call the “deep state.” And one way that bureaucracy might fight back? By stirring up war. Not a civil war, mind you, but an international one.
Think about it: the federal government’s current size is mostly thanks to never-ending wars. The main physical impact of WWII here was the Pentagon—the biggest office building in the world. The DHS, is the legacy of 9/11. Wars don’t just expand governments; they shift people’s attitudes, reshape society (usually in terrible ways), and create a climate where people are too scared to question authority because they feel dependent on it.
A lot of money has been funneled toward a potential conflict with Iran this past year—that’s the war the neocons and hawks seem to have their eye on ( “DOJ thwarts Iran plot to kill Trump” story just hit the tape earlier as if on queue
P.S. That CNN story? Complete nothing burger. Zelensky’s time is up, and Ukraine’s about to get pulled out of the meat grinder.
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So, what you like about Trump, anyway? Him wanting to throw millions of healthcare, cut taxes further for the rich, putting lunatics in charge of FDA so people get food poisoning, make sure abortion is banned across the states, is it one, or all above?
Or maybe you just like his character, some do.
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I think Musk's involvement was partly because Trump likes to show off (he does this sort of thing all the time at live events where he randomly asks members of his enterouge to 'say a few words' to the audience. The second reason is because Musk has been sending his Starlink internet terminals to Ukraine since the war began, which has allowed the Ukrainian military to communicate with one another.
Still an idiot move. A sure sign, as if we need one, of the 4 years of chaos that are to follow.
It’s a terrific vision too. The guy he’s handing health to seems apt for a tilt focused ship.
I’m not as aware of the US media breakdown, but isn’t Fox the biggest network there?
I’m shocked that people aren’t more lenient with Trump. Because letting a rapist felon get away with his crimes just isnt kind enough.
Is this AI edited video or Trump is really saying this?
Real.
Lots of those are actually good things, especially the constitutional amendment in term limits, but there is no way he would be able to do it. The congressmen won’t vote to get out of jobs. Half the senators have been in senate since before that asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs.