The Trump Presidency - Part 2

Revan said:
Real.

Lots of those are actually good things, especially the constitutional amendment in term limits, but there is no way he would be able to do it. The congressmen won’t vote to get out of jobs. Half the senators have been in senate since before that asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs.
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Not allowing FDA employees to leave to join big pharma is another decent idea.
 
Lots of waffle but not a bad few ideas if he can push it through, term limits are an absolute must so you don't get dinosaurs like Pelosi and McConnell hanging around
 
Theres some discussion in my industry on an American Facebook page about impending tariffs (most eyewear comes from China)..and some of the comments (from pretty clever healthcare professionals) beggar belief. Same people that were upset over (bidens) inflation at 5 to 10 percent are now completely comfortable with wholesale costs rising over 20%.

It's just like brexit again. And the footballification of politics. Anything redteam does equals good, blueteam equals bad, regardless of the consequences.
 
Revan said:
Real.

Lots of those are actually good things, especially the constitutional amendment in term limits, but there is no way he would be able to do it. The congressmen won’t vote to get out of jobs. Half the senators have been in senate since before that asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs.
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So they want truth and reconciliation and stop corruption, but at the same time he wants to hammer any whistle-blowers.

As for the correct approach on stopping the revolving door between the state and industry...how does Musk fit in there then? Does he get an exemption in being awarded billions of USD in govt contracts whilst being given responsibility to streamline govt depts.

It's all just showbiz.
 


another win for trump and american energy dominance vs cheap anti-market-competition solar panels from china!
 
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another win for trump and american energy dominance vs cheap anti-market-competition solar panels from china!
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Trump somehow for all his bluster is actually very effective at getting world leaders to fall in line, in a way I'm not mad about it because it does enhance Americas standing despite the buffoon he appears to be, this just shows 'Muricans they aren't pushovers on the world stage anymore
 
Precaution said:
Trump somehow for all his bluster is actually very effective at getting world leaders to fall in line, in a way I'm not mad about it because it does enhance Americas standing despite the buffoon he appears to be, this just shows 'Muricans they aren't pushovers on the world stage anymore
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When have they last been "pushovers on the world stage"? In the 1800s?
 
Red in STL said:
So the Government can now control who you can work for, do you really want that?
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No, but if you work in regulating companies, it is just for the government to have clauses that you cannot then go and work for those same companies. That’s as legal corruption as it can be.

No one is forcing people to work for the government in regulating private companies. They can just work in the private sector from the beginning.
 
Revan said:
No, but if you work in regulating companies, it is just for the government to have clauses that you cannot then go and work for those same companies. That’s as legal corruption as it can be.

No one is forcing people to work for the government in regulating private companies. They can just work in the private sector from the beginning.
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If they make that true for aviation (Boeing <-> FAA) it wouldn't be half bad.
 
The Firestarter said:
If they make that true for aviation (Boeing <-> FAA) it wouldn't be half bad.
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It should be for all industries. If you are in regulating sector, you should not be allowed to work for those companies you were regulating for as long as it is legally possible.

What is the point of regulating Boeing, giving them some licenses which they do not deserve, then quit from the federal government and go and sit in the board of directors of Boeing earning millions?
 
Revan said:
What is the point of regulating Boeing, giving them some licenses which they do not deserve, then quit from the federal government and go and sit in the board of directors of Boeing earning millions?
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The point is quid pro quo (the reason some poeple even began working for these agencies)and that along US "lobbying " being legal in general is something I've never been able to wrap my head around.
 
Its fascinating how some in here are already excusing Trump in advance under the guise of let's just wait and see or worse - he didn't do everything he said last time.

It's very very simple: his first administration was an unmitigated disaster only helped by the fact he received some push back from the legislature, the courts and the departments and agencies - including some of his own political appointees. Not only are those obstacles already much smaller than they were before, or damn near entirely gone - he has also made it clear that those things he has direct control over like said appointees will be full on loyalists this time.

The apologists honestly feel like they re running their own little micro propaganda machine on the Caf.

But hey if any of those I am referring to gave courtesy to every other POTUS feel free to tell me.
 
Revan said:
Real.

Lots of those are actually good things, especially the constitutional amendment in term limits, but there is no way he would be able to do it. The congressmen won’t vote to get out of jobs. Half the senators have been in senate since before that asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs.
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Are you listening to what he's saying though? 95% of what he said is about personal grievances and targeting those who oppose(d) him. He literally adds it at the end of almost every item. Reform in DC is definitely needed in some ways but basically everything he said is targeted at removing opposition, nothing more. If he s say lets cut back the number of federal employees then id say we re on a track. Instead what I'm hearing is displace, stripping of authority, and replace and add with more federal employees who aren't independent.

Say goodbye to a DoJ for instance that can actually prosecute a VW for its diesel emissions without the WH being able to tell them no for purely political reasons. Im not stupid enough to think that never happens otherwise - but to gut that independent power even more is the antithesis of the way our government should operate.
 
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Redplane said:
Its fascinating how some in here are already excusing Trump in advance under the guise of let's just wait and see or worse - he didn't do everything he said last time.

It's very very simple: his first administration was an unmitigated disaster only helped by the fact he received some push back from the legislature, the courts and the departments and agencies - including some of his own political appointees. Not only are those obstacles already much smaller than they were before, or damn near entirely gone - he has also made it clear that those things he has direct control over like said appointees will be full on loyalists this time.

The apologists honestly feel like they re running their own little micro propaganda machine on the Caf.

But hey if any of those I am referring to gave courtesy to every other POTUS feel free to tell me.
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Not to mention, his 1st term was derailed by Covid. You’re left to wonder how much harder he would’ve pushed things without having to deal with that.
 
Revan said:
No, but if you work in regulating companies, it is just for the government to have clauses that you cannot then go and work for those same companies. That’s as legal corruption as it can be.

No one is forcing people to work for the government in regulating private companies. They can just work in the private sector from the beginning.
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The vast majority of employees in these agencies don't make decisons regarding regulations, now if it was employees at a decison making level then there's a case for some form of clause
 
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Revan said:
Real.

Lots of those are actually good things, especially the constitutional amendment in term limits, but there is no way he would be able to do it. The congressmen won’t vote to get out of jobs. Half the senators have been in senate since before that asteroid destroyed the dinosaurs.
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He’s got a real shot this time. Previously, he was woefully unprepared—no one expected him to beat Hillary, not even himself, as he admitted. Lacking a solid team, he appointed questionable people, turning his first term into a circus.

But this time, it feels different. He seems more purposeful, prepared, and certainly has the popular mandate to implement meaningful reforms.
 
Morty_ said:
So, what you like about Trump, anyway? Him wanting to throw millions of healthcare, cut taxes further for the rich, putting lunatics in charge of FDA so people get food poisoning, make sure abortion is banned across the states, is it one, or all above?

Or maybe you just like his character, some do.
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I think he’s a gifted political athlete, anyone not admitting that is living in cockoo land. He’s a hard working campaigner, I think he cares about the country, and I think his political intuition is generally correct.

I think he was much maligned during the first term by the media, and the democrats, FBI etc with the baseless Russia hoax, and I think the continued lawfare against him contributed to his decisive win.

As per your specific examples you quoted, that’s your perception and framing - but he campaigned and won on the issues, the Dems campaigned on vibes and celebrity endorsements.

Personality wise I think he’s affable, but also not intellectually curious and a megalomaniac. That’s my impression of him, I’ve never met the man, so I’m judging through my biased lense.

Finally I didn’t and wouldn’t vote for him (I’m a NY registered Democrat), but I wish him well in running the country as I want us to be successful.
 
Red in STL said:
So the Government can now control who you can work for, do you really want that?
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Yes - there’s noncompetes in the business world and no one sees it as a bad thing. You can’t “regulate” big pharma for the FDA, and then go work for Big Pharma as soon as you leave your government position. You can’t work at the Pentagon overseeing military contracts and then work for military contractors as soon as you leave Pentagon.

This is the type of common sense idea that if floated by Dems you’d support 100% but because it’s coming from the other side you’re getting all libertarian about.

In my humble opinion
 
Red in STL said:
The vast majority of employees in these agencies don't make decisons regarding regulations, now if it was employess at a decison making level then there's a case for some form of clause
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The regulations are mostly made in Congress . However those employees do have the final say if the companies that need to implement them indeed do so. In the aviation sector what had happened between FAA and Boeing was basically rubber stamping and waving in changes between people who work and others wbo had worked in FAA and after that moved to Boeing , without following proper due process. It really was quite unbelievable when it first came out. I think after the 737 Max snafu, this somewhat got reversed but if you eliminate the legal possibility for direct quid pro quo it will be somewhat beneficial.
 
Suedesi said:
He’s got a real shot this time. Previously, he was woefully unprepared—no one expected him to beat Hillary, not even himself, as he admitted. Lacking a solid team, he appointed questionable people, turning his first term into a circus.

But this time, it feels different. He seems more purposeful, prepared, and certainly has the popular mandate to implement meaningful reforms.
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Yep, I think this time he is more prepared for victory and has a few intelligent people around him.

On the other hand, he is a man-child, prefers playing golf instead of governing, and in general, a total scumbag.

So, it is interesting to see in what way things will go.
 
Revan said:
Yep, I think this time he is more prepared for victory and has a few intelligent people around him.

On the other hand, he is a man-child, prefers playing golf instead of governing, and in general, a total scumbag.

So, it is interesting to see in what way things will go.
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Exactly- I’m hoping he chooses unity instead of revenge, but you never know with him.
 
Suedesi said:
Exactly- I’m hoping he chooses unity instead of revenge, but you never know with him.
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Oh, he is a megalomaniac, he will obviously choose revenge. As much as I would like to believe that he’ll do different in that aspect, I have quite hard to believe.
 
Suedesi said:
Exactly- I’m hoping he chooses unity instead of revenge, but you never know with him.
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His idea of unity is allowing him to do anything he wants without any criticism from the media or elsewhere; all the while he gets to violate rules, social norms, and laws without any pushback from anyone.
 
Raoul said:
His idea of unity is allowing him to do anything he wants without any criticism from the media or elsewhere; all the while he gets to violate rules, social norms, and laws without any pushback from anyone.
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Legacy media has acted as an extension of the DNC over the past eight years, but perhaps this time, they’ll tone it down and take a more constructive approach?

Or will they persist with another four years of ‘We know you have secret servers that are connected to the Kremlin in the basement of Trump Tower’ type of bullshit?
 
He started talking about anything he's going to do to help America yet, or just Russia?
 
Suedesi said:
Legacy media has acted as an extension of the DNC over the past eight years, but perhaps this time, they’ll tone it down and take a more constructive approach?

Or will they persist with another four years of ‘We know you have secret servers that are connected to the Kremlin in the basement of Trump Tower’ type of bullshit?
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Yeah that's nonsense. Unless of course you're taking the authoritarian view that journalists shouldn't act as a check on political power.
 
Trump: does fascistic stuff

Media: that’s fascist

Suedesi: there goes the stupid media again calling everything fascist
 
The Firestarter said:
When have they last been "pushovers on the world stage"? In the 1800s?
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The US foreign policy from 2008 to 2017 has been categorically, incredibly, weak.

It was part of Obama's idea of "reconciliation" but the problem is countries don't see that hand as a peace gesture, but as a sign of weakness.

That_Bloke said:
That this fecking ghoul and US stooge has been re-elected makes my blood boil.
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She's an atlanticist and honestly, now is the time to be unified in terms of foreign policy, even if it means having to suck up to the Americans.

EU going their own route isn't effective to contain or stop China's geopolitical goals. There must be unity in the West, even if there is a cost.
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
Kamala didn't run a remotely 'woke' campaign though. She stayed as far away from identity politics as any Democrat candidate since 2008 Obama. A very deliberate choice given the very big, very obvious societal shift away from 2020's idpol peak.
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Sure, but her comments from the past were used against her.
 
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