Describing other posts in here as crazy hysteria is demeaning. Especially when there is plenty of reason to be what you would consider to be alarmist. Unless of course you don't live in the US or haven't actually paid daily attention - or are in the position where it almost doesn't matter where in the world you live because they won't come for the ivory tower.
The Trump Presidency - Part 2
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Thanks for proving my point.
Fair enough.
What a childish response.
Just trying to communicate in a language you’d understand
Oh and you're funny too. And still don't respond to the content of my message other than what with what you perceive as clever one liners.
It's always amusing when the noise complains about the noise.
Guess Suedesi and myself are the same in your eyes. Guess that makes us mates.
Will we see such scenes again?
No, the media started retreating before he won, symbolised by "Democracy Dies In Darkness" Bezos Post.
https://www.thecity.nyc/2024/11/08/trump-red-shift-voter-turnout-queens-bronx-southern-brooklyn/
(The entire rest of the article is immigrants voting for Trump to control immigration btw)
I like to think we ll at least see a Trump presidency this time that actually does reasonably civilized press conferences and not ignore them or use them for more political theatre. You know - at least pretend to be a government for all the people. Like the good ol days. You know, that time people claim to want to go back to.
I think they'll get into some spat on day 1 and the animosity will just continue from them. Last time it was the media pointing out that the crowd size at the inauguration was smaller than Obama's, DT saying his was the largest ever (I forget who said what first), and then him making Sean Spicer hold a press conference (in what looked to be a borrowed suit jacket) to argue with the media on that. I expect about the same this time.
While I would prefer that the media, from a strategic perspective, didn't try to make every single thing that he does a 10/10 fire alarm this time, I also don't really blame them for saying essentially "bruh, you're lying" when he effectively is (and doubles down on his lies, like the sharpie on the hurricane trajectory map).
yes, this (which is right-wing media a restatting the ceasefire call they've made for over a year) will sell EXTREMELY well. as will zelensky's climbdowns and putin's sweet words.
see also:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-trump-presidency-part-2.485497/post-32614098
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/the-trump-presidency-part-2.485497/post-32612629
excellent framing.
What happens if Trump’s economical/fiscal policies work and the economy goes well? (As a note, I have no idea if they will work, far from an expert in the topic). Does he get credit, or it will be, ‘it worked despite of him, not because of him’, and ‘it is working only in short term but eventually it is going to crash big time’?
Ukraine have done the same.
Here's another 
America has spoken:
Big responsibilities are on the shoulders of President Trump for next 4 years. Peace through strength!
Big responsibilities are on the shoulders of President Trump for next 4 years. Peace through strength!
Most people recognize that the economy under Trump was doing well until covid. If something similar happens, Trump will get credit from the media and the voters at least. Personally, I think that's a little superficial, but that is how these things are looked at now. In 2016 Trump inherited a strong economy that Obama had gotten on the right track after the financial crisis. Similarly, Biden inherited a mess after covid. But even that kind of analysis is too deep to actually matter to voters.
Trump will almost certainly pursue tax cuts that will benefit the wealthy, as well as deregulation. This could boost the economy in the short term with potential for negative consequences later on. Whether he actually goes ahead with tariffs is another matter - if he does they will likely lead to further increases in prices, which he should get blame for.
they will win in 2028? not hard to figure this out.
OK - of course the main reason for those high prices was the slaughter of milions of egg-laying birds because of Bird Flu - but that's the bit they don't say out loud
Politically he will get credit. Then if his health isn't faltering he will probably start pressuring to be allowed to run for another term, and I can imagine this SC coming up with the most asinine explanation ever as to why that is actually perfectly legal. Even if he can't run, on a strong economy then even Vance might be a favorite.
That said, even as the resident neoliberal, I don't see his combination of economic policy working that well unless it ends up very diluted. Over a long enough period one issue that the Republicans run into (not that the Dems don't, but they're less worse at this I think) is that they deregulate the financial sector too much and end up with some sort of crisis there. If actually enacts his agenda of tax cuts, no real spending cuts (politically unpopular) and any significant number of deportations of already integrated undocumented immigrants, it should either be inflationary or slowing to growth. Then he'll face a lot of pressure from higher interest rates.
Do you know if the tariffs are supposed to be worldwide or only for China?
20% worldwide, 60% on China, I think is what he's said most consistently when asked about it. But as you know, we'll see. Even last time there were a tone of products from China on exclusion lists. The Dept of Commerce will just become lobbyist central.
They will obey the order as usual, everyone knows this.
Just a deeply unserious world we live in.
Musk giving Ukraine access to Starlink bailed them out on more than one occasion. They use it for among other things cloud based targeting. So putting him on the phone wouldn't be so strange.
@Mike Smalling @berbatrick @MTF I appreciate the replies. I think so too, a lot depends on how things will go when it comes to economics. I guess we will have a good idea in a couple of years, if Trumpism ideology will become a permanent feature of the right in the US, or will falter if the promises get broken.
I wonder how many civil service employees he will actually be able to fire/replace before the whole thing ends bogged down in litigation.
It was Trump who actually promoted him to Air Force Chief of Staff a few years ago (hence the pic of them together in the tweet), so it would be surprising if he reversed himself.
Uh, what!?
it's a daily tracker of how consumers feel about the economy...
No, I get that.. It was just a reaction to the GOP line spiking already when Teflon Don doesn’t take office for another 3 months