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Dwazza said:
In the tweet itself. When one reads those 140 characters, their initial though will be "holy feck, even the head of the American Nazi Party thinks this guy is dangerous!" when the actual meat and potatoes of it is that dude is surprised that Trump didn't give it to a Washington insider.

Fairly innocuous, really. Surprised that anyone cares what a useless inbred twat like Rocky has to say, anyway. But it advances an agenda for some, I guess, and Twitter is a great tool to use misinformation to further ones cause.
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The quotes in full is in the image attached, and there's a link embedded.

As for your take of what he meant, I disagree. Bannon's anti-Semitism was confirmed by his ex-wife. If the far right applauds his appointment then it's cause enough for consternation. The Nazi was surprised Trump put Bannon, specifically, in, because he knows how toxic Bannon is to the mainstream body of politics.
 
legolegs said:
Not really though?
If he would've written something like "shocked", fair enough. But he didn't. Reading it I immediately thought the head of the Nazi party is positively surprised about the choice.
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'Pleasantly surprised' doesn't earn retweets, so I'm going to disagree with your interpretation.
 
I like how we're debating whether the leader of the US Nazis is happy about an appointment or thinks it went too far. Like one of those is a good thing.
 
Arruda said:
Last episode of Last Week Tonight was great. John Oliver is spot and makes a nice appeal. Though at the end I was kind of sad, more than laughing.
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I got married in 2016 :nervous:

Guess I'm going to have to put some spin on it and say "the strongest steel is forged in the hottest flame"
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
The quotes in full is in the image attached, and there's a link embedded.

As for your take of what he meant, I disagree. Bannon's anti-Semitism was confirmed by his ex-wife. If the far right applauds his appointment then it's cause enough for consternation. The Nazi was surprised Trump put Bannon, specifically, in, because he knows how toxic Bannon is to the mainstream body of politics.
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Yes, and we know how often people follow up on links, I'm sure it's worse with average Twitter users. It's a format designed to provoke a strong reaction and tweaking content helps that.

I'm not questioning anything about Bannon, fwiw. It's the deliberately misleading tweets that aggravate me. Rocky wasn't shocked, or appalled by the appointment because of Bannon's toxicity or racist views, if anything his surprise is that an outsider got in and that Trump followed through on a campaign promise. The tweet suggests a holy shit this guy is too crazy even for the Nazi party of America, there's no other more desirable response from the face value of the tweet, its news worthiness decreases once you get beyond that initial message.
 
Dwazza said:
Yes, and we know how often people follow up on links, I'm sure it's worse with average Twitter users. It's a format designed to provoke a strong reaction and tweaking content helps that.

I'm not questioning anything about Bannon, fwiw. It's the deliberately misleading tweets that aggravate me. Rocky wasn't shocked, or appalled by the appointment because of Bannon's toxicity or racist views, if anything his surprise is that an outsider got in and that Trump followed through on a campaign promise. The tweet suggests a holy shit this guy is too crazy even for the Nazi party of America, there's no other more desirable response from the face value of the tweet, its news worthiness decreases once you get beyond that initial message.
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I frankly think you are letting your opinion on social media cloud your judgement on this particular instance. When I saw the word 'surprised', I took it as he was surprised, then read the quotes. There was no jumping to 'holy shit too crazy even for Nazis'.

But probably best agree to disagree.
 
Ubik said:
I like how we're debating whether the leader of the US Nazis is happy about an appointment or thinks it went too far. Like one of those is a good thing.
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I'm really debating how Twitter is used to make people overreact to innocuous crap by misleading them with clickbaity contentious statements.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I frankly think you are letting your opinion on social media cloud your judgement on this particular instance. When I saw the word 'surprised', I took it as he was surprised, then read the quotes. There was no jumping to 'holy shit too crazy even for Nazis'.

But probably best agree to disagree.
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Fair enough. I'm sure you take your tweets with the requisite grain of salt. My concern is that many more impressionable people do not.
 
senorgregster said:
Does this opposition research occur in any other country?
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Yes, it was once said that Rupert Murdoch controlled the UK elections because whoever The Sun newspaper supported won. They switched from being a traditional Tory (Conservative) paper to Labour when Tony Blair was in charge and he swept the board. Rupert also said he was going to try the same in the USA and that's when he came up with Faux News. A channel designed entirely to control the electorate and dictate voting trends.
 
Dwazza said:
I'm really debating how Twitter is used to make people overreact to innocuous crap by misleading them with clickbaity contentious statements.
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Well the guy was literally quoted as saying he was surprised, so I'm not sure how it could be classed as contentious...
 
Dwazza said:
'Pleasantly surprised' doesn't earn retweets, so I'm going to disagree with your interpretation.
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That's actually the point I disagree with. I mean we're not "just" talking about a very conservative person or so but about the head of the nazi party.
 
langster said:
Yes, it was once said that Rupert Murdoch controlled the UK elections because whoever The Sun newspaper supported won. They switched from being a traditional Tory (Conservative) paper to Labour when Tony Blair was in charge and he swept the board. Rupert also said he was going to try the same in the USA and that's when he came up with Faux News. A channel designed entirely to control the electorate and dictate voting trends.
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You could even say the original template started in Oz. Both Howard and Abbot as two prominent examples benefited greatly from Herald Sun's coverage.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
You could even say the original template started in Oz. Both Howard and Abbot as two prominent examples benefited greatly from Herald Sun's coverage.
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Yeah, definitely. Murdoch's reach around (oooer misses) the globe and media control is unrivalled. He is one scary man indeed. I think the only surprise is SKY TV in the UK, and how relatively moderate it is compared to Faux. He has often said he wants it to be more right wing like Faux, but I think his son keeps talking him out of it. Far too much power for one person to wield and far too much influence.


unchanged_lineup said:
Officially hitting unwatch on this thread. It's been emotional, folks. Literally, in the form of revulsion and depression on Tuesday/Weds. I'll pop back in when the 8 minute sirens sound :D
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:( I said the same in PM to a couple of people but decided against it, please don't mate, you are a voice of sanity here and will be missed.
 
Ubik said:
And that it goes surprisingly overbudget.
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Not a chance. He's the best with numbers and money and ISIS and Women, and equality, and the Gays, and with his temperament, and the Russians, and China, and with words and........................................................
 
langster said:
:( I said the same in PM to a couple of people but decided against it, please don't mate, you are a voice of sanity here and will be missed.
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Sure it's only a couple of months til the rockets red glllaaaaaaarrre :) I have to make the most of them like!
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langster said:
Oh for fecks sake. :rolleyes: He won't be able to keep his mouth shut anyway and will tell them everything regardless. The thought of those morons knowing the worlds secrets is yet another fecking scary prospect on top of a myriad of scary prospects.
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If such a thing as the president's book of secrets exists (which it most likely doesn't), we'll find out in the next 4 years
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Is it fair to see that we're still at the point where players are out on the pitch and warming up, ahead of what will be the most thorough mockery of US government in history?
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Yes, but we'll finally get to see if a treasure map was drawn on the back of the Declaration of Independence :drool:
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's the most plastic organ in the body. Genotypically identical brains can develop radically differently in different environments. Which is where the idea of genetically superior brains for white people that I think you're hinting at falls apart.
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Excellent post. The epigenetic and environmental factors would (by my uninformed estimate) heavily outweigh most genetic links.
 
MarceloFalcon said:
Can we get it started now? President Pence anyone?
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fecking Pence.:lol:

Seriously though, if a President intends to compromise security in such a manner, or continues to indicate that he will do this, then he should not be in office.
 
Cheesy said:
fecking Pence.:lol:

Seriously though, if a President intends to compromise security in such a manner, or continues to indicate that he will do this, then he should not be in office.
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It'll be interesting for sure. I strongly suspect that there's already been enough dirt out there to mount an impeachment, let alone letting him run amok in there for any significant length of time. BUT, and this is important, he's the God Emperor to the majority of the GOP base now, so any Republican elected official who sign on to remove him from office will by and large sign his own political death sentence.

Unless his short fingers start fiddling with the football and the biscuit, I don't think enough of them will muster the courage to do that, no matter how bad they want Mr. Fetus Funeral in.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It'll be interesting for sure. I strongly suspect that there's already been enough dirt out there to mount an impeachment, let alone letting him run amok in there for any significant length of time. BUT, and this is important, he's the God Emperor to the majority of the GOP base now, so any Republican elected official who sign on to remove him from office will by and large sign his own political death sentence.

Unless his short fingers start fiddling with the football and the biscuit, I don't think enough of them will muster the courage to do that, no matter how bad they want Mr. Fetus Funeral in.
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I agree, and have used the same line of argumentation to say that any policy the GOP congress wants but the WH does not will not pass. No one shall dare publicly oppose Trump.

But as far as impeachment... I just gotta throw it out there to get people used to the idea. :D
 
langster said:
Yes, it was once said that Rupert Murdoch controlled the UK elections because whoever The Sun newspaper supported won. They switched from being a traditional Tory (Conservative) paper to Labour when Tony Blair was in charge and he swept the board. Rupert also said he was going to try the same in the USA and that's when he came up with Faux News. A channel designed entirely to control the electorate and dictate voting trends.
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I recollect that but not so much the videos/photos/old transcripts etc from within a party to use against opponents in another party.
 
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