Well obviously 2. Because anyone with half a brain will have some sort of plan or purpose behind the things they say. Which was the case with Trump. I suppose you do have to credit with how he manupulated a lot of people. At the same I also see it as the meeting of regressive perverse value systems. So its as nuch a reflection of people as his manipulation of them. Because much of what he says is actually what he believes and stands for, despite some pretendong otherwise.
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Absolutely.
I like @Raoul's idea of California splitting from the rest of the USA, but was wondering if it was possible for the rest of the world to split from the USA now?
Obviously I'm at anger now, also loving how all these Trump apologists and defenders weren't saying a word before he won the election, they all come out of the woodwork now. Like it's safe because he's been elected. It's pathetic really.
I agree 100% the man is a fecking moron, absolute feckwit. And now he's the President of one of the most powerful nations on the planet. And he's going to give positions of power to Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani. Unbelievable, I mean, honestly, what's the worst that could happen? For fecks sake
One last thing...
It was for the sake of this day that he had first decided to run for the Presidency, a decision which had sent shock waves of astonishment throughout the Imperial Galaxy –Zaphod Beeblebrox? President? Not the Zaphod Beeblebrox? Not the President? Many had seen it as clinching proof that the whole of known creation had finally gone bananas.
- Douglas Adams , Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
Obviously I'm at anger now, also loving how all these Trump apologists and defenders weren't saying a word before he won the election, they all come out of the woodwork now. Like it's safe because he's been elected. It's pathetic really.
I agree 100% the man is a fecking moron, absolute feckwit. And now he's the President of one of the most powerful nations on the planet. And he's going to give positions of power to Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich and Rudy Giuliani. Unbelievable, I mean, honestly, what's the worst that could happen? For fecks sake
One last thing...
It was for the sake of this day that he had first decided to run for the Presidency, a decision which had sent shock waves of astonishment throughout the Imperial Galaxy –Zaphod Beeblebrox? President? Not the Zaphod Beeblebrox? Not the President? Many had seen it as clinching proof that the whole of known creation had finally gone bananas.
- Douglas Adams , Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy
here we go
Surely Number 2 is unarguable. Its a bit petty and immature to be so blinded by hatred for him that people cant recognise he played the media and his base superbly.
Who even asserted #1?
I said he got free media because of the vile shit he was spouting.
You then said that was "hook, line and sinker" and that he "played the media", and that the things he was saying were therefore not looney.
You're now saying that he is a lunatic (which is all I said to begin with) but that he knows his lunacy will appeal to a certain demographic. Well obviously.
I don't even know what you're trying to argue anymore, it's impossible to keep up.
Why Is Every Word Capitalised?
Make English orthography great again? Apparently he takes his program quite literarily.
In the US unlike at home, they have direct elections to the executive (president) apart from elections to legislatures. Every district and every state is represented in the legislature. Which is why IMO they can go for a direct vote instead of the proportional system of your last line (which btw is used for party primaries, and would still be better than this)
On the presidential level, if everyone is choosing between 2 people (yes, that in itself is a problem), this system can (and has) produced perverse outcomes.
Finally, I think people have addressed the CA/NY point nicely. No state is 100% for one party, and giving Republican Californians a voice in the election may produce a new Republican party (same with Democrat Texans) since the competition will be for every vote rather than 10-12 states.
No, they don't. States aren't people. The 600,000 people of Wyoming don't need to be heard equally as much as the 39,000,000 people of California.
Exactly. Chief Justice Earl Warren in 1964:
#moderate
Ofcourse, that won't stop CNN et al and those who watch it from believing he's all normal now.
Well, if there's a he said, he didn't said, why not look at the proposal?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...itifact-sheet-donald-trumps-immigration-plan/
The deportations are for illegal immigrants that are convicted of crimes. And the wall already exists in some sorts, no? With the fence?
The ban on Muslims is not what people keep saying. They want to "Suspend issuance of visas to people in places where "adequate screening" cannot occur, until proven and effective vetting mechanisms can be put into place." Remember the "children" coming to Europe with a full grown beard? Places where there are adequate screenings will be the same, one can assume.
Again, much of the image created of him, don't reflect how things are. At least is what I perceive watching at distance. That's why there already outlets reporting how Donald Trump has changed now the election is over.
There's a reason the media got royally screwed this week, in the awake of Brexit, Macri election in Argentina, The FARC referenduum in Colombia, and Dilma's Impeachment in Brazil. They stop giving the news and keep pushing an agenda.
Criminal Aliens?
People stating that it's easy to get filthy rich if your already rich, is mind boggling. By this definition, It's easy to get rich if you already have a good amount of money, and so on.
I don't even think he was the best candidate for the US presidency, but to dismiss what he achieved, especially after the losses he took, is just absurd.
That's not how it works.
This has been put about a lot a few months back when Trump secured the nomination, going around again now
Putting it up because Keith Ellison is being mentioned as a candidate for the new DNC chair, which seems a decent idea.
Putting it up because Keith Ellison is being mentioned as a candidate for the new DNC chair, which seems a decent idea.
It wouldn't be fair to persecute law abiding aliens, tbf.
Forgive me, but isn't there a bunch of fences to separate Mexico and the US , with guards on both sides and all to stop illegal immigrants entering the country?
Have you actually read what I posted? Nowhere have I stated an opinion as to whether it is a good or bad thing to have lots of prior political experience (at best a double-edged sword). I think you are trying to argue with what you assume to be my views on things.
I have said that I don't think Trump is especially intelligent, and I have also said that his record as a businessman is nothing to shout about. Finally I have said that previous credentials are demonstrably not the most important guiding factor in winning an election, and that the Democrats would be wise to pay due attention to that.
You can argue with these points if you wish.
I know orthography. I have the best orthography!
I can’t believe that so many people here argue against popular vote. Quite mental. The EC doesn’t create more fairness. It makes no sense at all.
I think we’ll have to wait and see how Trump turns out. He’ll not confirm all the dooms-day predictions, but that doesn’t make him a moderate. His cabinet appointments read like a horror show. On the few things where he voiced strong opinions, he voiced consistently stupid ones. He is not some kind of evil genius, just a very and selfish asshole, who lacks any empathy for anyone but himself. Have you ever listened to the guy talking? It is just one crazy stream of consciousness. It is like an uplink directly into his head, where all this nonsense seems to bubble along.
The only hope is that the people around him can get a hold of him, which is imo quite likely. It is easy to influence someone like him. That brings us back to the initial problem: Many people around him are either lunatics (Giuliani, Flinn, Navarro, Ebell) or self-serving corrupt dicks (Christie).
A proper wall needs a moat and crocodiles or it is no good.
I think we’ll have to wait and see how Trump turns out. He’ll not confirm all the dooms-day predictions, but that doesn’t make him a moderate. His cabinet appointments read like a horror show. On the few things where he voiced strong opinions, he voiced consistently stupid ones. He is not some kind of evil genius, just a very and selfish asshole, who lacks any empathy for anyone but himself. Have you ever listened to the guy talking? It is just one crazy stream of consciousness. It is like an uplink directly into his head, where all this nonsense seems to bubble along.
The only hope is that the people around him can get a hold of him, which is imo quite likely. It is easy to influence someone like him. That brings us back to the initial problem: Many people around him are either lunatics (Giuliani, Flinn, Navarro, Ebell) or self-serving corrupt dicks (Christie).
A proper wall needs a moat and crocodiles or it is no good.
Good choice. He's got the backing of Warren, Sanders and Chuck Schumer so encouraging news..
Bad news is Howard Dean has said he wants the job, so lets see if the party learns their lesson with the message they want to send.
No, they don't. States aren't people. The 600,000 people of Wyoming don't need to be heard equally as much as the 39,000,000 people of California.
That's a principle embedded into the very foundations of the nation. I'm not a strong advocate for it, but yes, the founders intended for Wyoming to have a larger influence than it's population deserved, on the basis that it was a "sovereign" state within a Union.
Trump is an isolationist so he will grant your wish if he follows through on his promises.
Sharks with frickin' laser beams!
Agree. As it sinks in and you can stand back a bit, I really agree.
And for anyone who's read American Psycho and recalls how Trump is a key psychological figure for Bateman, a god almost - this article is ruddy brilliant, written when Trump when just pushing to be a candidate. Even if you've not read the book but are interested in an insight into Trump's psychology and the potential effects of the normalization and legitimization of the divisive tactics he's used during his campaign ...
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/14/don...ns_patrick_bateman_and_now_hes_a_real_threat/
Regarding the splitting away of California from the US, I'd say that even though it's impossible, if there's genuine complete divide in the country of places being "blue" or "red" and having a completely different idea of the nation and the role of the government then ideally there should be two separately governed territories. I mean, I find it hilareous that both the democrats and the Republicans are guaranteed a certain number of electoral or popular votes. Here in India, we were ruled for decades by the Gandhi family and the Congress party but after a gradual maturing of the country and the parties poor peformance, we chucked out that party who is being now seen as a vut of a laughing stock. The Republicans on the other hand made complete fools of themselves but instead of bearing the brunt of critical thinking, gathered enough votes to actually get complete power. Big issue with the two part system, even though I find a lot of other parts of the way the US elections are carried out, impressive.
SteveJ, it's about the sharks. When you were busy posting, they were put on the endangered species list. We tried to get some, but it would've taken months to clear up the red tape.
I think it was a Will Smith movie.
How did Trump win so decisively in the electoral college vote with half a million fewer votes than Clinton? This in itself isn't surprising as the First Past the Post system enables it to happen but in the 2000 election, Al Gore had about half a million more votes than Bush but only narrowly lost the electoral college. So how was Trump's victory so much more decisive?
Well presumably its all down to which states you win and lose and how populous they are.
No need to display your lack of ability to discern things appropriately in such a brazen manner. You're making quite a habit of it in this thread.
Rockefeller, maybe?
Classic
Moyes?Ubik said:
Day One in Trump's America
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
Hopefully this is all just bravado of fools still riding high on the victory of their candidate, but feck, divisions seem deep and extra partisan in America right now.
https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656
Hopefully this is all just bravado of fools still riding high on the victory of their candidate, but feck, divisions seem deep and extra partisan in America right now.
More recent please! Wasn't he also the richest person ever, adjusted for inflation?
Sake
Megan is 45 years old? Scandalous.
Don't a majority of the other American states have to agreed to Calexit?
Why would they, it is the world's 6th largest economy and what is America without California and New York?
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