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They aren't even trying to camouflage their intent here.


So basically Donald wants to try and prove he didn't lose the popular vote just to stroke his ego and make him feel better, at taxpayer expense of course.

Oh but of course nobody who voted in areas he won could have possibly been fraudulent.

What a joke, honestly.
 
My favourite poll result relating to that:

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I think that comes down to how they perceive immoral acts.

With a moral compass decided for them by their religion, they probably spend their entire lives thinking immoral thoughts or in the process of regretting an immoral act.

People who decide their own moral compass are less likely to forgive someone who, even though they like, do something they deem immoral.

I think you're also less likely to do something yourself that breaks your own personal moral code and therefore would be less understanding of someone who does things they deem immoral as doing an immoral act is a bigger deal.

I'm not sure if I've explained that very well...

Example: Religious nut spends life feeling shame for looking at hot women in short skirts. Spends life justifying their own poor will power, won't judge someone they want to support if they have their own weakness.

Normal person with normal moral code doesn't spend life feeling guilty for doing stupid little things so judges harshly someone who thinks it's ok to do something immoral.


Bah... I know what I mean :lol:
 
Don't think it was Bannon that wrote this speech he's delivering right now at DHS. Doesn't sound like a description of pre-Batman Gotham City, like he usually does.
 
I really was not expecting Trump to be actually productive. I thought the Muslim ban and the Wall was just campaign bluster but, he is already working to accomplish both. Scary times.
 
Yes, you do. You emphatically do. The point of a democracy is to vote for who you want to represent you. Even in Michigan, the closest state this time, the difference was 10,000+ votes. Each individual vote is symbolic. I chose not to send a symbolic message that I want Hillary Clinton, a centrist war mongering liar whose only interest is power for power's sake to be president. I sent that same message in the primaries where I and other Michigan voters helped Bernie Sanders to a historic upset.

The Democratic party chose not to heed those lessons nor pay any attention to her unprecedented unfavorables and rigged the primary in her favor. She chose not to campaign in the rust belt states or offer anything to the disaffected people here. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are not entitled to my vote, they have to earn it and they failed to do so. I didn't go around campaigning for people not to vote or whatever. I simply voted my conscience. The only way you'll get me to feel bad about it is if he won by 1 vote. But the presidential election wasn't decided by 1 vote and it never will be. Individual voting is symbolic and people should vote for what they believe in. Maybe then we might be able to vote for an actual liberal.

Well said, although a bit too idealistic.
 
Agree with Eboue on this one. Nobody should be forced to vote tactically to keep the big bad wolf from the door. I can respect that.

Western democracy needed a kick in the balls and it looks like we're going to have wade through the mother of all shit storms to get there.
 


NASA ignoring the gag order now.

In other news apparently Jeff Sessions was involved in some of todays executive orders yet hasn't been confirmed yet. This is all getting uglier by the minute.
 


NASA ignoring the gag order now.

In other news apparently Jeff Sessions was involved in some of todays executive orders yet hasn't been confirmed yet. This is all getting uglier by the minute.


Well... you wouldn't expect him to be just a showpiece, right? Unfortunately.
 
The Dow just hit 20,000 for the first time. The S&P 500 and NASDAQ also hit all-time highs. Every American with a 401K is smiling today. These must be carryover effects from Obama's last days?

Of course, the Dow was due to break 20,000 way back in October/November.

Donald will take plaudits though.
 
The Dow just hit 20,000 for the first time. The S&P 500 and NASDAQ also hit all-time highs. Every American with a 401K is smiling today. These must be carryover effects from Obama's last days?

Asset inflation due to easing monetary policy. And I would've told you that 6, 12, 18, 24 months ago. (Not that it would reach these levels, just that each subsequent record is a result of that). Projected company earnings or earning growth hasn't expanded enough to justify the new levels. Just multiple expansion.
 
Asset inflation due to easing monetary policy. And I would've told you that 6, 12, 18, 24 months ago. (Not that it would reach these levels, just that each subsequent record is a result of that). Projected company earnings or earning growth hasn't expanded enough to justify the new levels. Just multiple expansion.
You're wasting your time.
 
Yes, you do. You emphatically do. The point of a democracy is to vote for who you want to represent you. Even in Michigan, the closest state this time, the difference was 10,000+ votes. Each individual vote is symbolic. I chose not to send a symbolic message that I want Hillary Clinton, a centrist war mongering liar whose only interest is power for power's sake to be president. I sent that same message in the primaries where I and other Michigan voters helped Bernie Sanders to a historic upset.

The Democratic party chose not to heed those lessons nor pay any attention to her unprecedented unfavorables and rigged the primary in her favor. She chose not to campaign in the rust belt states or offer anything to the disaffected people here. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are not entitled to my vote, they have to earn it and they failed to do so. I didn't go around campaigning for people not to vote or whatever. I simply voted my conscience. The only way you'll get me to feel bad about it is if he won by 1 vote. But the presidential election wasn't decided by 1 vote and it never will be. Individual voting is symbolic and people should vote for what they believe in. Maybe then we might be able to vote for an actual liberal.

Such a weak and selfish argument. "My vote - and only my vote - is symbolic". What makes your vote so special?

The problem here is that hundreds of thousands, quite possibly millions of people used that same stupid logic and guess what? All those "symbolic" votes add up. Just a pity they were wasted in order to make a bunch of individuals feel good about themselves. As opposed to, you know, preventing this quasi-fascist asshole from being in charge of your country for the next four years.

Yay for symbolism. Really got a powerful message across there. Well done.
 
The Dow just hit 20,000 for the first time. The S&P 500 and NASDAQ also hit all-time highs. Every American with a 401K is smiling today. These must be carryover effects from Obama's last days?
Judge the trend for yourself. Left half are Bush years, right side are Obama years. The upward trend has now been ongoing for 8 years. Guess the market perhaps knew 8 years ago that Trump was coming. :eek:
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Yes, you do. You emphatically do. The point of a democracy is to vote for who you want to represent you. Even in Michigan, the closest state this time, the difference was 10,000+ votes. Each individual vote is symbolic. I chose not to send a symbolic message that I want Hillary Clinton, a centrist war mongering liar whose only interest is power for power's sake to be president. I sent that same message in the primaries where I and other Michigan voters helped Bernie Sanders to a historic upset.

The Democratic party chose not to heed those lessons nor pay any attention to her unprecedented unfavorables and rigged the primary in her favor. She chose not to campaign in the rust belt states or offer anything to the disaffected people here. Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party are not entitled to my vote, they have to earn it and they failed to do so. I didn't go around campaigning for people not to vote or whatever. I simply voted my conscience. The only way you'll get me to feel bad about it is if he won by 1 vote. But the presidential election wasn't decided by 1 vote and it never will be. Individual voting is symbolic and people should vote for what they believe in. Maybe then we might be able to vote for an actual liberal.

You should be able to recognise that a vote isn't just symbolic. It does have material effect, albeit to a very small degree. On its own it might not make much difference but then on its own no one vote makes a difference. You're still contributing to the overall whole and you can't choose to divorce your vote from that reality. A vote cast on symbolic grounds is counted in the actual, real, pragmatic world.

You also get to decide which principles you base your vote on. You decided to vote for the candidate whose views were most similar to yours. Others chose to vote against someone whose views they found utterly abbhorent. Both are valid grounds to vote on symbolically, only one was in any way constructive pragmatically. Nobody made you reduce your vote to a purely symbolic gesture except yourself.
 


They aren't even trying to camouflage their intent here.


Conservatives Against Democracy
Trump’s “rigged election” claims aren’t new. The conservative movement has waged a war on electoral democracy since its inception.

Reacting in 1957 to southern blacks’ demands for voting rights, the National Review declared in a Buckley-penned editorial that whites were “the advanced race,” while blacks were culturally and intellectually unfit for democracy. “The claims of civilization supersede those of universal suffrage,” Buckley wrote, labeling assertions to the contrary “demagoguery.” (Less than a decade later, adding an inclusively interracial overtone to his anti-poor condescension, Buckley argued in a debate with James Baldwin, “The problem in Mississippi isn’t that too few Negroes can vote, it’s that too many whites can.”)
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Future Supreme Court justice William Rehnquist, for instance, worked for Operation Eagle Eye, a 1960s-era Arizona GOP operation that challenged the legitimacy of black and Latino voters at the polls. Then, as now, Republicans couched their support for erecting voting obstacles in terms of voter integrity, with Illinois congressman Robert McClory predicting that in cities like Chicago “fraud would be multiplied many times if the illiterate is going to be given the right to vote.”

When President Jimmy Carter proposed a slate of voting reforms, including same-day registration, the Right pounced. Conservative outlets like the Heritage Foundation and Human Events raised the specter of mass fraud, with the former predicting that the legislation would allow “eight million illegal aliens” to vote and the latter warning of “widespread fraud in key urban centers.”
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Beginning in the 1960s, Reagan used critiques of mass voting as a rhetorical ballast for his excoriations of the welfare state, predicting that democracy would cease to exist when “voters discover they can vote themselves largesse out of the public treasury.” Like many on the Right, Reagan took the logical next step, stridently opposing laws that made it easier for low-income Americans to cast ballots.
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Paul Weyrich, the cofounder of the Heritage Foundation and the American Legislative Exchange Council, expressed a similar sentiment in 1980, saying, “I don’t want everybody to vote . . . Our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”
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Throughout the George W. Bush administration, party officials cried wolf about potential voter fraud as part of a concerted strategy to make the public believe such chicanery was rampant, going so far as to fire US attorneys who refused to play along and investigate nonexistent incidents.

Throughout the 2008 campaign, John McCain, the GOP’s supposedly moderate nominee, falsely alleged in campaign commercials and debates that the left-leaning grassroots group ACORN was “on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy” by working to steal the election for Barack Obama.

The brazen rhetoric didn’t let up in the years immediately preceding Trump’s supposedly unprecedented assault on American democracy. “Election fraud is a real and persistent threat to our electoral system,” Republican National Committee chair Reince Priebus wrote in a December 2011 op-ed for CNN that advocated voter ID laws. “[And] Democrats know they benefit from election fraud.”
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In 2013, Republicans administered the coup de grace. The conservative Supreme Court majority it had devoted years to winning struck down key provisions of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, opening the door to even more draconian voter suppression legislation.
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The National Review’s Kevin Williamson, sounding much like William F. Buckley, groused in 2012, “The sacramentalization of the act of voting represents the worst of the democratic impulse and contributes to the ongoing conversion of our republican institutions into so many tribunes of the plebs.” Longtime anti-ACORN fearmonger Matthew Vadum echoed Buchanan and Reagan in a 2011 American Thinkerpiece titled “Registering the Poor to Vote is Un-American,” claiming that expanding voting was really about “helping the poor to help themselves to others’ money.”

Taking the Right’s view of poor voters to its logical conclusion, conservatives like Ann Coulter and former House speaker Newt Gingrich, among others, have come out in favor of reinstituting literacy tests at the polls; right-libertarians like Jason Brennan have proclaimed their wholesale opposition to democracy.
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One particularly worrying development coming down the pipeline: a 1982 consent decree barring the GOP from engaging in Eagle Eye–type intimidation tactics — such as “posing as law-enforcement officers and demanding voters’ IDs, sending out intimidating mailings to minority voters, posting misleading or intimidating signs, or standing at the polls to challenge minority voters’ rights to a ballot” — is set to expire next year, meaning that the 2018 midterms could be the first time Americans experience the full weight of conservative anti-voting efforts since the 1970s.

Trump and Spicer stand on the shoulders of giants.
 
A interesting question would be why these 3 million illegal voters weren't able to vote straight-Dem down-ballot and deliver the House.
 
Conservatives Against Democracy
Trump’s “rigged election” claims aren’t new. The conservative movement has waged a war on electoral democracy since its inception.



Trump and Spicer stand on the shoulders of giants.

They should stop calling Gingrich and Coulter conservatives and call them what they really are, racists. McCain, Graham etc are conservatives. Rand Paul is a staunch fiscal conservative. These other assholes would be going into the woods at night in white hoods to set a cross on fire.
 
Uglier for the Mexican economy, maybe. From this side of the wall, it looks pretty fecking rosy.

Yup, all thanks to 8 years of intelligent and sensible management of the economy. Just come back in a year/18 months after The Moron in charge has started to have an effect on things. You won't be so rosy then.
 
Conservatives Against Democracy
Trump’s “rigged election” claims aren’t new. The conservative movement has waged a war on electoral democracy since its inception.



Trump and Spicer stand on the shoulders of giants.
Economically anxious giants.
 
They should stop calling Gingrich and Coulter conservatives and call them what they really are, racists. McCain, Graham etc are conservatives. Rand Paul is a staunch fiscal conservative. These other assholes would be going into the woods at night in white hoods to set a cross on fire.

Bill Buckley is the father of the modern conservative movement in the US... The rhetoric of disenfranchisement (as shown by that article) goes through Buckley, every conservative hero including Reagan, down to Trump.
 
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Economically anxious giants.

TBF, you have to choose which bigotry you prefer since Buckley gives you both options!


"blacks were culturally and intellectually unfit for democracy" vs "The problem in Mississippi isn’t that too few Negroes can vote, it’s that too many whites can"
 
Uglier for the Mexican economy, maybe. From this side of the wall, it looks pretty fecking rosy.
What do you think about Obama being in charge taking the Dow from ~7,000 to just shy of 20,000? Pretty rosy if you ask me. Trump needs to make it around 55,000 for the same growth record. Think he'll do that?
 
Now turns out Trump has refused to hand in his unsecured phone to the secret service :rolleyes:

Trump’s wife, Melania, went back to New York on Sunday night with their 10-year-old son, Barron, and so Mr. Trump has the television — and his old, unsecured Android phone, to the protests of some of his aides — to keep him company. That was the case after 9 p.m. on Tuesday, when Mr. Trump appeared to be reacting to Bill O’Reilly’s show on Fox News, which was airing a feature on crime in Chicago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/25/...house.html?smid=tw-nytpolitics&smtyp=cur&_r=0
 
TBF, you have to choose which bigotry you prefer since Buckley gives you both options!


"blacks were culturally and intellectually unfit for democracy" vs "The problem in Mississippi isn’t that too few Negroes can vote, it’s that too many whites can"
The line from Vadum's piece immediately before the one quoted is pretty extraordinary too - "Encouraging those who burden society to participate in elections isn't about helping the poor."
 
You know all those recent reports of The Moron's advisors all being extremely uncomfortable about him mentioning voter fraud? And all the inside leaks about how against it they all were? Well..............





What do you think they will all make of that? What a complete and utter waste of fecking tax payers money. He's completely unhinged, deluded beyond words and he's tripping his tiny balls off on the power. He absolutely must be stopped!

Oh and.........


The end game for this is voter suppression - I'm not saying it's smart, but it's a ruthless tactic. I really hope the Dems and the media are able to stand up to it.
 
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