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SteveJ said:
Can there be such a thing as too much freedom? Is this very American* thing the cause of some people's rebellion against the virus & its health & safety necessities/regulations? Maybe it isn't simply a case of Trumpian infectious madness, or related vested financial interests, inspiring these rebellions.

As much as it's almost always a mistake to generalise peoples, it could be - as I believe Carolina Red once hinted at in a discussion about gun control - that Americans in particular have a special sense of personal freedom unlike the folks of other nations; a sense that outsiders don't 'get'. This is, arguably, a historical element that is ingrained. To label it 'entitlement' might be an error (one I've been guilty of on occasion).


*Obviously, 'too much freedom' doesn't apply to all American citizens, sadly.
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https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/reclaiming-politics-freedom/
 
SteveJ said:
Can there be such a thing as too much freedom? Is this very American* thing the cause of some people's rebellion against the virus & its health & safety necessities/regulations? Maybe it isn't simply a case of Trumpian infectious madness, or related vested financial interests, inspiring these rebellions.

As much as it's almost always a mistake to generalise peoples, it could be - as I believe Carolina Red once hinted at in a discussion about gun control - that Americans in particular have a special sense of personal freedom unlike the folks of other nations; a sense that outsiders don't 'get'. This is, arguably, a historical element that is ingrained. To label it 'entitlement' might be an error (one I've been guilty of on occasion).


*Obviously, 'too much freedom' doesn't apply to all American citizens, sadly.
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“Rugged individualism”
 
Beachryan said:
On a side note, that sucks. I love The Atlantic, have been a subscriber for a while. Best journalism out there for me, really, really good stuff. Also feels like the kind of property that has an audience who'd be willing to pay, so even sadder in a way.

Trump and his ilk definitely want a world where pop-up ads and click-bait articles are the only way for the media to survive.
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Agreed. Read this great piece there yesterday, really worth a read
 
SteveJ said:
Can there be such a thing as too much freedom? Is this very American* thing the cause of some people's rebellion against the virus & its health & safety necessities/regulations? Maybe it isn't simply a case of Trumpian infectious madness, or related vested financial interests, inspiring these rebellions.

As much as it's almost always a mistake to generalise peoples, it could be - as I believe Carolina Red once hinted at in a discussion about gun control - that Americans in particular have a special sense of personal freedom unlike the folks of other nations; a sense that outsiders don't 'get'. This is, arguably, a historical element that is ingrained. To label it 'entitlement' might be an error (one I've been guilty of on occasion).


*Obviously, 'too much freedom' doesn't apply to all American citizens, sadly.
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There is never too much freedom. There is too much ignorance. As you restrict kids and people with mental health problems, the same should be done to ignorant people. the right of freedom should come with duties on responsability
 
4bars said:
There is never too much freedom. There is too much ignorance. As you restrict kids and people with mental health problems, the same should be done to ignorant people. the right of freedom should come with duties on responsability
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I don't think I want to live in a country where there's absolute freedom. The crazy joe's freedom next door is my biggest fear
 
Sky1981 said:
I don't think I want to live in a country where there's absolute freedom. The crazy joe's freedom next door is my biggest fear
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Thats why without ignorance you don't need to fear about many crazy joe's
 
So the question on my mind, if he bans Twitter, how will he tweet? And if he can't tweet anymore, what the feck will he do?
 
nimic said:
The fact that Facebook and Twitter both exist is proof that neither has a monopoly, since they're both social media. There are others as well.
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And because trucks and trains are both tools for transportation.
What Facebook does and what to Twitter does are two quite distinct services that are just under the umbrella of social media
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The Altantic is the pride of American magazines that should be celebrated for a 160 year history with people like Mark Twain, Ralph Waldo Emerson etc contributing towards it. It will be a sad day if the Murdock brand of tabloid journalism outlives that.
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The Atlantic is brilliant. Absurdly enough, I just recently discovered it. I’ll probably subscribe.
 
Atze-Peng said:
And because trucks and trains are both tools for transportation.
What Facebook does and what to Twitter does are two quite distinct services that are just under the umbrella of social media
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Yes, that's also why neither trucks nor trains have monopolies on transportation, while still competing with each other. Facebook and Twitter are obviously different, but they're similar enough.
 
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Yes, that's also why neither trucks nor trains have monopolies on transportation, while still competing with each other. Facebook and Twitter are obviously different, but they're similar enough.
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One is a service to do interconnective microblogging and news writing while the other is a service to connect and socialise with people you are associated with. I fail to see how they are similar enough.
 
Atze-Peng said:
Is there a link to the content of that executive order?

I still think it's a tricky topic, especially since sites like Facebook and Twitter do have a monopoly in their fields of services.
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Being popular doesnt make it a monopoly?
 
KirkDuyt said:
So the question on my mind, if he bans Twitter, how will he tweet? And if he can't tweet anymore, what the feck will he do?
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He can't ban Twitter, the stupid cnut will try and enforce something stupid via EO and then it'll get overturned by the courts.
 
Atze-Peng said:
Is there a link to the content of that executive order?

I still think it's a tricky topic, especially since sites like Facebook and Twitter do have a monopoly in their fields of services.
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He's drafting it so probably tomorrow or this week, he sure loves a good EO.
 
It's good that he's working on the important stuff. I love when he shows off his little signed binder EO thingy. He's always so proud of his joined-up writing signature.
 
I can’t see what Trump has to gain fighting social media. He hardly has serious leverage. They neither have physical products nor physical production lines. Their employees can and will work from their homes. They can buy St. Kitts and turn their business into a country if they wanted to.
 
Kentonio said:
He can't ban Twitter, the stupid cnut will try and enforce something stupid via EO and then it'll get overturned by the courts.
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'Course he can, he said it himself, as president he has total authority. On everything. He could give Lingard the next Ballon D'or.
 
Damien said:
Here's the draft.
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In fairness, reading the first 3-4 paragraphs I completely agree with it. Freedom of speech on the internet is important, and big social media companies shouldnt be allowed to censor opinions they disagree with (although those that are objectively untrue are fair game).

The irony of course, is that this censorship is actually exactly what Trump wants and is trying to do. Its bizarre how he can try to draft an EO to do the complete opposite of what he is actually trying to achieve.
 
langster said:
Fudging the figures to reopen the State (and country)
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And those are just the numbers 'recorded' for covid or pneumonia. Wouldn't be surprised if that country, much like Russia, put a lot of deaths as unknown. America's real figures must be closer to 200k by now considering the covidiocy running throughout.
 
langster said:


Fudging the figures to reopen the State (and country)
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Most countries have taken different views on how to record, so makes direct comparisons difficult. If they've done that as they think it's fairest way that's one thing... if done for political reasons that's another?

I think Belgium records almost everything/anything.

France doesn't count anyone who died at home and reckon there could be thousands. Will try to add them in June.

Even by organisations within Italy, it's recognised that they've missed out thousands+ and the figure could be 40k-50k.

Those US state stats look out of kilter but doubt only states/country.
 
Walrus said:
In fairness, reading the first 3-4 paragraphs I completely agree with it. Freedom of speech on the internet is important, and big social media companies shouldnt be allowed to censor opinions they disagree with (although those that are objectively untrue are fair game).

The irony of course, is that this censorship is actually exactly what Trump wants and is trying to do. Its bizarre how he can try to draft an EO to do the complete opposite of what he is actually trying to achieve.
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Which in this case aren't. His comments are still there for everyone to see and no one is preventing him from posting as many as he likes, nor will they be removed.
 
Banning twitter would be great. It's a cesspool and his rise is it's only noteworthy contribution to society to date. And what a contribution this fella is.

Would be another great feather in the "Land of the free" cap too.
 
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