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I would bet he is looking forward to claiming the record for the biggest, greatest shut down.
I don't know why anyone bothers responding to endless wheelies anymore, he's long since shown himself up to be a sound bite troll with no interest in discussion or actually learning anything.
Do you think if there is no wall and Trump is defeated in 2020 that future GOP candidates will adopt a border wall as a party policy or close that chapter with Trump?
It'll be the day of reckoning for the GOP if Trump loses badly in 2020. The "traditional conservative" is a dying breed and what they have left is a far right voter base. However, it is not big enough to bring them huge electoral wins. So, they'll have to adopt policies than can bring the independents to their side, but that might not to acceptable to the Trump voter. IMO, GOP will need to reinvent itself post 2020. There are merits in some of the conservative & libertarian principles. It'll be interesting to see if they can steer the base back to those values, while roping in some of the independents, instead of the current cultural nonsense they are engaged in.
GOP think the wall is a waste of money now. So i don't think they will continue on with it .
There was a pretty good article in the atlantic that said GOP voter base used to be the educated working class who wanted lesser taxes and more business friendly government. Now their voter base is increasingly blue collar, lower income people who previously used to vote democrat while the white collared professionals shifted to the Democrat side. Like it or not they'll have to be more populist if that holds.
First thing that Dems should ask for on that budget is back pay for all the Federal employees who have had to manage without wages while this ridiculous stand off plays out.
Should be first thing on every budget after a shutdown.
The biggest trick the GOP has pulled (is pulling) is making climate change & income redistribution a taboo for the people who are the most affected by climate change & need income redistribution the most. And then they have kept them occupied with cultural issues & by instilling fear and loathing for the "other". They can decide to double down and be more populist but that will only bring diminishing returns, imo. In the future the base will keep shrinking & it'll keep becoming harder for them to win if they don't mend their ways.
I'll deny that til I'm blue in the face. The only thing a barrier would stop is someone who doesn't have $200 for a plane ticket, the contacts to get access to a tunnel or is unable to climb a ladder, and that's about it.
It wouldn't make a dent in the drug trade as the added cost of getting some of the shipments to either go over/under/through some steel barriers or reroute them entirely would definitely not make the drug smugglers business unsustainable, not even close. It's a multi-billion dollar industry so you're never going to stop it by what would at best be a very small increase in transportation costs, or have the smugglers give up because they can't figure out how to get drugs to the other side of some steel brackets sticking up from the ground. Even if the barrier by some miracle helped stop the small time smugglers their business would only be filled in by the big dogs who have 50 other ways to get the drugs across anyway.
Not just to the Trump, voter but the GOP itself. Adopting policies which might widen their voter base would mean to abandon their core dogma of screwing over the vast majority in favor of their billionaire puppet masters.
They would, can't see it happening though any time soon, though.
The GOP hasn't given 2 shites about principles and integrity since the Nixon days.
Just wait till the next indictment drops. He is wasting his time if he thinks he can keep Mueller out of the news permanently. Don't even think Mueller cares.
Schumer really getting under his skin it seems 
On one hand it's bad for racists to win but on the other it's good to see bad things happen to republican politicians and operatives.
jeff bezos...welcome to the resistance
The thing about trump is that is a double edged sword.
If he's bad all gop needs to do is put someone opposite of trump. If he's deemed winable in the next election they have a blueprint on how to win an election. The right wings are the tip of the scale that could win either side sadly with most dems and republicans locked with their party and the swing voters are often undecided.
Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
Yawn.... it’s all so boring.
For the millionth time.
America doesn’t have an illegal migrant problem.
It has a cnuty attitude to getting menial chores done. There are whole towns underpinned by off the books gardeners, nanny’s, Manual workers, the list goes on.
America’s thirst for capitalism has a need for cheaper and cheaper people to undertake the shitty tasks that a lazy populace thinks are beneath them.
Put the people that employ illegal immigrants in prison and the whole problem goes away.
I’ve never seen a dumber country.
For the millionth time.
America doesn’t have an illegal migrant problem.
It has a cnuty attitude to getting menial chores done. There are whole towns underpinned by off the books gardeners, nanny’s, Manual workers, the list goes on.
America’s thirst for capitalism has a need for cheaper and cheaper people to undertake the shitty tasks that a lazy populace thinks are beneath them.
Put the people that employ illegal immigrants in prison and the whole problem goes away.
I’ve never seen a dumber country.
Wait. Where is he at the moment?
He couldn't truly wait for it, could he?
I hope bezos bangs Melania.
It was only a matter of time.& Ivanka , Machete style.
Indeed. There's an irony to all this in that many rich Republicans who advocate tax cuts don't really want all that much done about illegal immigration because they know the minute it's actually cracked down on their own profits margins will be hurt. Although I'm sure a few of them are stupid enough that they don't realise this and are inadvertently fecking themselves over.
For fecks sake. No respect for anyone at all. He's a fecking child.
More wall bollocks.
He's now trying blackmail.
Oh and then there is this
Contradicts and lies his arse off in one sentence. "I NEVER SAID MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL"
Golly, this all he's going to talk about for the next year until the Election?
I find the notion of "stopping the inflow of drugs", hilariously naive. As long as the overwhelming demand for drugs exists, the inflow of drugs will exist.
Our coveted capitalism at its finest.
You can construct a giant burning wall with a vacuum moat and laser turrets. Someone will somehow succeeid in smuggling the good stuff past it.
And I know more about burning walls with vacuum moats and laser turrets than anyone, so trust me.
Our coveted capitalism at its finest.
You can construct a giant burning wall with a vacuum moat and laser turrets. Someone will somehow succeeid in smuggling the good stuff past it.
And I know more about burning walls with vacuum moats and laser turrets than anyone, so trust me.
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Ok this is just trolling now.
In reality, the shutdown isn’t Trump vs Dems. It’s Dems vs McConnell. The bill has already passed the Senate, it’s a GOP bill.
If McConnell wasn’t obstructing it, it’s got enough support in the senate to cruise through.
If McConnell wasn’t obstructing it, it’s got enough support in the senate to cruise through.
I said this. I never said this.....
ok!
ok!
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/mike-pompeo-obama-middle-east-policy-1093905
@berbatrick At least, Trump didn't vote the Iraq war yeah?
@berbatrick At least, Trump didn't vote the Iraq war yeah?
More wall bollocks.
He's now trying blackmail.
Oh and then there is this
Contradicts and lies his arse off in one sentence. "I NEVER SAID MEXICO WOULD PAY FOR THE WALL"
"During the campaign I said Mexico would pay for the wall, I obviously didn't say this"
As an outside observer I actually think he will get his wall
It's "only"
$6bn
There is around 150million tax payers in America
So what is it $40 per tax payer
It will probably take at least 4 years to build
So basically less than a dollar a month
That's probably worth opening up the government it's self in terms of getting the dollar level raised by not being in shutdown
Plus it's going through take a couple of years to get the full land access and planning permission so the Dems are not actually giving away anything in reality
I'm sure they know this but it's now basically a politically charged pisibg contest and I can't see trump backing down
It's "only"
$6bn
There is around 150million tax payers in America
So what is it $40 per tax payer
It will probably take at least 4 years to build
So basically less than a dollar a month
That's probably worth opening up the government it's self in terms of getting the dollar level raised by not being in shutdown
Plus it's going through take a couple of years to get the full land access and planning permission so the Dems are not actually giving away anything in reality
I'm sure they know this but it's now basically a politically charged pisibg contest and I can't see trump backing down
Would still need 2/3s of the house to override the veto. But I agree with you. The fight should be with mitch, not trump.
Comedy gold.
I have never seen a liar like this.
There were debates on this when they did the fence in 2006, they came up with an estimate that upkeep on it would cost $20B over the next 10 years or so. So its not just a question of funding a wall that he is asking for, its also the upkeep that subsequently comes afterwards.
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