The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Beachryan said:
At least Romney is not a complete moron. He's actually really bright, and doesn't seem like a bad person. Id take that at this stage!
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Trump is a blowhard and showman. That makes him look worse and brings all the unnecessary (He probably like it) attention towards him. In reality he is following what is the republican and big republican donors agenda. The only difference between Romney and him would be that Romney would be implementing the same agenda without much fanfare. All these things - conservative judges, immigration bullshit, gutting healthcare, tax cuts for the rich, gutting medicare and social security, rollback of financial regs, helping coal and other polluting industries etc. etc. - will be done on a sly. Or they won't create as much buzz or outrage as they do now.

Trump is definitely a moron, but at least with his histrionics he has forced a lot of people, who otherwise wouldn't have, keep their eye on the ball. Only future will tell whether this has permanently created a more informed and 'woke' voter/population. But at least he has woken up people to a lot of issues that they were apathetic to until now.
 
berbatrick said:
He agrees with all of Trump's policies. I'm glad that it's ok to get the same shit, as long as it is delivered by someone with functional literacy!
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That's not true. And he's still a Republican, it's silly to expect him to have massively different views.

I'd obviously rather a Democrat win, but equating Romney and Trump is crazy.
 
ErranMorad said:
Only future will tell whether this has permanently created a more informed and 'woke' voter/population. But at least he has woken up people to a lot of issues that they were apathetic to until now.
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All he has woken up is the unsavoury racist and bigoted elements of the population. He's a top class fear monger and wakes up the baser instincts in the populace.
 
Beachryan said:
That's not true. And he's still a Republican, it's silly to expect him to have massively different views.

I'd obviously rather a Democrat win, but equating Romney and Trump is crazy.
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He supports the wall, tax cuts, and the abolition of Obamacare. That as far as I can tell, is/was Trump's main agenda. So I'll repeat, he is the same substance as Trump with an added veneer of having a vocabulary.
 
He's the typical womaniser who hates women.
 
America's trade deficits have increased since the tariffs began. Wharton gave this man a certificate.
 
Beachryan said:
That's not true. And he's still a Republican, it's silly to expect him to have massively different views.

I'd obviously rather a Democrat win, but equating Romney and Trump is crazy.
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2 questions...
  1. What is it that Trump has done that you wouldn't expect Romney to have done?
  2. Which of those things do you expect to have long-lasting effects?
 
IF the Dems have any sense it appears to me they would be smart to use Warren as a distraction, a lightning rod of sorts for Trump s extremely offense behavior to come in the spotlight much more than it did during the prior election. In any case I hope they smartened up and at least this one time do in fact roll in the mud with the RNC.
 
Brwned said:
2 questions...
  1. What is it that Trump has done that you wouldn't expect Romney to have done?
  2. Which of those things do you expect to have long-lasting effects?
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For a start, reduced European confidence in the US leadership from 85% to 16% in just 3 years. Put forward the joke that is Brett Kavanaugh (and no, he wasn't the GOP choice, he was Trump's against the wishes of McConnell). Cut taxes to the very wealthy (never something Romney pushed in previous campaigns, and the corporate tax changes are actually not ridiculous).

The entire handling of the border.

I know he's spoken against Obamacare, but given how successful statewide system in MA was under him, I'm sure he wouldn't have been as against the concept.

Wouldn't have left the Paris accord.

Also wouldn't have weaponsied stupidity and grown the influence of Fox News.

I'm not saying he's a saint, but again, there are differing levels of evil within the GOP.
 
Beachryan said:
For a start, reduced European confidence in the US leadership from 85% to 16% in just 3 years. Put forward the joke that is Brett Kavanaugh (and no, he wasn't the GOP choice, he was Trump's against the wishes of McConnell). Cut taxes to the very wealthy (never something Romney pushed in previous campaigns, and the corporate tax changes are actually not ridiculous).

The entire handling of the border.

I know he's spoken against Obamacare, but given how successful statewide system in MA was under him, I'm sure he wouldn't have been as against the concept.

Wouldn't have left the Paris accord.

Also wouldn't have weaponsied stupidity and grown the influence of Fox News.

I'm not saying he's a saint, but again, there are differing levels of evil within the GOP.
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You think all of these things have significant long-term implications? In the case of Kavanaugh for example, it's obviously long-term and it's clear that was a Trump pick, but what impact do you think he'll have that you'd deem significant(ly negative)?

What would Romney have done with the border? None of the drama but harsh border control seems inevitable for the GOP.

Very generous about Obamacare given the countless things he's said about it since.

Not sure what evidence you have for the tax cuts. It's very counterintuitive so there must be something backing it up?

Fox news and European confidence are issues but long-term ones...in what sense?

His views on the environment are often ridiculous so what makes you in any way confident he'd have done anything to protect it, given the overall GOP narrative?

Don't you think there's other things he would've done that are more damaging to society too?

He's a ridiculous individual but he hasn't done half the things people predicted he would do to begin with, and almost all of the stuff he has done is staple GOP with some additional appeals to the GOP base.

For me the only thing unique about the Trump administration is disorganisation, egotism, corruption and a lack of diplomacy. They are all bad but seem like very short term things to me. Compare that to all the stuff predicted about him starting numerous wars abroad, causing a civil war, etc. and it seems clear people exaggerate Trump's influence because of the things he says rather than the things he does. The goalposts get shifted all the time to make the narrative plausible.

Someone more competent and more keen on implementing GOP ideas doesn't seem less dangerous to me. As long as people are able to stop Trump doing something truly irreconcilable purely because of some personal vendetta or emotional meltdown, which it seems they can so far, he might even be less dangerous long-term IMO.
 
Beachryan said:
Put forward the joke that is Brett Kavanaugh (and no, he wasn't the GOP choice, he was Trump's against the wishes of McConnell). .
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Don't think that's true. Even Bush Jr championed BK even after all the accusations came out. If McConnell tells trump from the start that votes are not there for BK, I doubt he even nominates him.
 
He appears to have a Quake logo on his forehead.
 
Trolling with memes. Things are definitely going to plan.
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Nancy Pelosi is coming...
 
roseguy64 said:
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  • Obama had a Secretary of Defense who founded a telecom company and was on the board of Chevron.
  • His first director of the National Economic Counsel was a hedge fund manager.
  • One of his Treasury Secretaries was formerly an executive at Citigroup.
  • His Attorney General was a partner at a law firm whose clients included Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo.
  • His Secretary of the Interior voted for tax breaks for Exxon and removing protections against offshore drilling and against higher fuel efficiency standards and a bill to require the Army Corps of Engineers to consider global warming.
  • One of his secretaries of commerce was a director at Boeing.
  • Another secretary of commerce was an heiress to the Hyatt Hotel fortune.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
All he has woken up is the unsavoury racist and bigoted elements of the population. He's a top class fear monger and wakes up the baser instincts in the populace.
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That's one side of it. But there is also another side where a record number of women and minorities were elected to the house this last election. And not only from majority minority districts but also from majority white districts. The voting numbers were highest in a century. 60m people voted for democratic candidates in the last mid-terms; which was 33% more than the number of people who voted for the repubs in 2010. There is every sign the people are more engaged in the democratic process now than they have been in the recent past.

I know the dog and pony show gets the more traction and is more existing to discuss. Criminal justice reform bill gets may be 10 posts but a toilet paper struck on Trump shoes get 10 pages. However, that doesn't change the fact that good things are happening too and there is more awareness. I am hopeful that we'll come better off once this shit show is over. There is an appetite to change the status quo, and whoever is next will have no choice but to make it happen. Yeah, the wannabe freeloaders and welfare mooches will not be happy, but feck those basement dwelling unrealistic cnuts anyway. 2016 was an anomaly, going ahead there will be enough independents and people who were earlier apathetic who'll come forward to render the militant 'Jill Stein' voting wankers insignificant.
 
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