I’d say the Americans have done quite a bit more than the Russians on that front.
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I’d say the Americans have done quite a bit more than the Russians on that front.
Sound logic friend.
There's nothing to be gained from "fighting ISIS". This is the same logic that was used for "fighting Saddam". Please tell me what we achieved from the Iraq War.
AFAIK Russia bombed the living hell out of them in a week that broke their spine. America has been "fighting terrorism" in many countries now and the situation has only gotten worse for American troops and the locals there.
I despise Trump and don't trust his motives one bit but bringing the troops back is the correct decision here.
Every allied military and government leader we have has disagreed with you. So, not only do actual experts say you’re wrong, but they’re also not American.
Also, just because Iraq 03 was a bad war, that doesn’t make fighting ISIS one. Talk about faulty logic...
Here's an analogy; yesterday I was taking a long shower (well over 40mins) and my wife started banging on the door telling me I was taking too long and to finish. She was going on and on, telling me how much it's costing, telling me there's other things that need doing and that I didn't need to be in there any more.
I finally finished up, towelled myself, put on a robe and came out. My wife was even more pissed at me than before. Apparently I should've cleaned the shower cubicle glass, washed the shower tray of soap scum, wiped down the walls, put my old underwear away in the basket and moped the floor.
She wouldn't let me get dressed until I'd finished all the cleaning.
Those governments are not American and couldn't give two shits about the US. Anyway it's clear you're in favor of this so I won't bother arguing. It's a real pity some of us still have this archaic model of "fighting wars" for solutions embedded in our minds. Fight AL-Qaeda, ISIS takes over. Fight ISIS and someone else is gonna occupy the pocket. Wake the feck up. This is NOT how you end terrorism.
What week was that? By the time the Russians intervened in Syria, the Americans had already helped put a stop to the ISIS offensive in northern Iraq and relieved the siege of Kobani in Syria. They then went on to be major contributors in expelling ISIS from their biggest city (Mosul) and capital (Raqqa). In the meantime the Russians had largely concentrated on helping Assad defeat the other, non-ISIS rebel groups in Syria. They did help liberate Palmyra (eventually, after having lost it again) and helped roll back ISIS in Deir Ezzor and some smaller pockets around Damascus.
Isolationism is no longer an option in this day and age.
We are fighting global terror.
While I'm not in favour of sending our troops all over the world.
We do need to control these threats.
We are fighting global terror.
While I'm not in favour of sending our troops all over the world.
We do need to control these threats.
You’re the one who called it “dumb American logic” to want to fight ISIS on their own turf instead of on your own. I’m just pointing out that it isn’t “American” at all... it’s just sound logic.
It’s a real pity that some people are hell bent on causing people to have to fight them.
Wake the feck up. You can’t end an idea.
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It’s not often you see someone say we should wait until our home soil is actually attacked before deciding to defend ourselves.
Yes. As much as I respect the stance of people like Nader, Ron Paul and even Bernie here its just not as simple as bring all the troops home. I haven't kept up with all the details but just in a general sense Putin is obviously happy because the US moving out cedes control of that region to Russia really.
Sounds like Mitt may be positioning himself to fill the vaccum
It’s like he wants to be a modern day William Jennings Bryan.
Putin Told this idiot to pull the troops out. Otherwise we do not expect any such original thought from him.
I agree Bernie is not all hot about NATO, especially our funding. He simply sees that money being put for better use for working families here.
But if he becomes President he will have good people around him to advise him on such matters.
idiocy.
We need good information and data.
I don't see us forever in Syria or Afghanistan. But we need to have a planned withdrawal. btw Russia is a bigger threat than ISIS.
They are the ones we need to deal with when we have a real President.
He was all about steam power not two weeks ago. Trump is bringing it old school.
Don't mind me, I'm just grumpy. I've seen you arguing against gun control that it's just not logically possible. Seems that doesn't apply to drone strikes or containing terrorism in other countries.
Dude I’m for doing something about gun control. I said it’s not possible to completely ban them because amending the Bill of Rights won’t happen.
It’s just a bit different.
With it you should stop mingling in politics of other countries, too, and selling weapons. Every second weapon the US sells goes to countries in that area...
You cannot just mingle in all of this conflicts for decades, sometimes here, sometimes there - just how it pleases you - and then pull out.
We've tried that before! Ignored the outgoing admin's warnings of AQ & OBL's threats while trying to figure out a way to restart daddy's war.
Yeah, I remember that one. I’d like to not have to remember another. That’s just “dumb logic” though, I guess.
We always run the risk of creating the next ISIS by taking a pro-active approach though. It's not a stretch to say, every time we bomb a village that may or may not have terrorists, every time we kill a civilian we're potentially and likely radicalizing the next generation.
Which might be what defense contractors and those in their pocket want.
While true, the reality is that ISIS is the threat at hand and they’ve gotta be dealt with.
I usually agree with you in everything you post, but in the bold part, are you referring to the gulf war or the Irq invasion in early 2000's?
Neither. I’m talking about the coalition against ISIS.
American porn and junk foods are more likely to succeed dealing with that problem rather than the current approach.
The stick only needed to be held, not wielded.
Porn and junk food did a great job keeping AQ out in 01.
Well if you feed them that during the 80s instead of guns and ammunition then the outcome might’ve been different.
Complaining about religious extremism in the region while propping up the Saudis and deposed Mossadegh was about in line with what you are doing to the Talibans, AQ and ISIS. We are where we are, but probably give the people there some reason to love ‘Murica rather than dropping bombs on their weddings.
Unless you’ve got a time machine I don’t know about, this is rather irrelevant to a discussion about actually defeating ISIS or leaving and lying about it.
Once again, time machine?
The US President has bullshitted the American people about the state of ISIS and left our allies to go at finishing the job without us. It’s bullshit.
The broader point here is regardless of Trump’s decision to pull out the troops, there needs to be a fundamental shift in your nation’s mentality in dealing with this specific problem of religious extremist terror groups. You may lose the fighting but yet win the war, or win all the battles only to see similar groups sprung up like mushrooms after rain. Suppose you stay in there and cripple ISIS, what’s to say another won’t take their place, similar to how they supplanted Al-Qaeda? Middle Easterners are hardly enamoured with you at the moment.
I grew up in a country at war with America, ideologically and all, less than 2 decades prior. People my age grew up listening to American music, watch American films, now the new generations are using American brands, go there to study and work, eating American food, speak English fluently while their parents and grandparents learnt Russian and French at school. It seems like you are better with handing out carrots rather than using your stick.
Ok. Agreed. Though as a person that likes a good conspiracy and tin foiled hats, we should see who was/is financing ISIS
But thats skewing the debate
Americans, even the citizens, are such war mongers. They hype up so many threats in their head. I wonder what's next after Iraq/ ISIS and Iran.
On what? Retiring the troops?
So I don’t mean to offend you, but you clearly have a very simplistic at best, inexistent at worst, understanding of regional and global geopolitics. This is even before we touch upon the longer term cultural and strategic ramifications of rapid troop withdrawals. We’ve been here before, most notably Afghanistan in the 80s, and we all saw how that came back to haunt the western world.
Trump is beating a simplistic message, on a simplistic drum, to a simplistic audience. Stop tapping your foot to the beat, because it makes you look like an idiot. There is a reason that virtually every expert, civilian and military, on both sides of the aisle have denounced this move as a terrible idea; and that’s because it is a terrible idea. Now, one could go into a long detailed explanation of the strategic, cultural, and geopolitical reasons for that. But I have neither the time nor desire to go through that with you. So I recommend you do a little reading.
Best of luck mate.
Romney's basically saying he agrees with most of Trump's policies but just wishes he was less of an asshole.
That was so cringey I half hoped he wasn’t going to end the article saying he will be running for the 2020 republican nomination before he even steps in the senate.
Wasn't Romney suppose to be of the most moderated republicans?
Poor job by the mods.
Republicans are full of shit. The man wanted a cabinet position.
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