The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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oneniltothearsenal said:
This is another strawman that I already corrected. I already said I am not minimizing anything he did wrong just putting it in perspective.

Pop culture (at least where I have lived) tends to paint this picture of Nixon as all bad and Reagan and Clinton as heroes of their respective parties. I am pointing out that perception is wrong; Nixon is not all bad, we can recognize he did good things, its certainly a fair argument that Reagan and Clinton were actually worse than Nixon but the media sells us a narrative very different from the facts.

I am making a relative argument that you keep misinterpreting as as absolute argument.



Another strawman.

I specifically said Watergate is pretty tame compared what Reagan did with deal making with Iranian hostage taking terrorists which led to the corrupt Iran-Contra. Again its a relative argument not the absolutist one you keep falsely implying I am making.

Unless you are arguing that Watergate was worse than Reagan's Iran Hostrage/Iran-Contra scandal you are only posting irrelevant red herrings.
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Of course it was worse.
 
Pexbo said:
Without checking, if it’s the court nominations he’s referring to, he has a GOP majority in the senate and it’s flake that is blocking them rather than the democrats.
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I think he means the people in the administration. You need a bipartisan vote to elect them.
 
Drifter said:


And there's me thinking they were fully behind the president on this vanity wall.
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As an outsider looking in, it's bewildering really and I don't mean the wall. The idea that one man can effectively break millions of employment contracts and presumably stop the services associated with those jobs on a whim, in pursuit of another Fox news headline, is just baffling.
 


The tweet that @Drifter posted re the shutdown - I always thought that the shutdown affected federal employees who wouldn't get paid etc but there is something I hadn't really thought - the impact of such shutdown on the common man :


I owe a decent chunk of change to IRS due to messing up my W4 for 2017. I filed late (Oct 2018) and therefore just recently got a letter back from IRS saying they want the full amount paid by Dec. 31 2018. Problem is the amount is way too much to handle at once which is why I submitted the form requesting a Payment Plan (along with initial payment) when I filed in Oct. What happened to that request I have no idea. When I login to the online IRS site it doesn't show me any info about the payment plan, only the full amount owing by Dec. 31 plus some interest already. So I need to talk to someone but the Call Center is closed. Any advice? If I wait it out how much interest am I looking at paying monthly?

https://www.reddit.com/r/personalfi...able_to_call_irs_due_to_shutdown_need_advice/
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I wonder how many such cases are present and much it would impact the common public.
 
Dan said:




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“Looses soooo” - POTUS

The drug money bit is horribly worded too. Suggests he’s upset the US/He isn’t getting its fair cut of the drug money.
 
Pexbo said:
“Looses soooo” - POTUS

The drug money bit is horribly worded too. Suggests he’s upset the US/He isn’t getting its fair cut of the drug money.
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Did he forget about this new USMCA deal already?

 
Didn't he already promise that the automobile industry would come back to America?
 
I really don't understand America's system where there is the possibility that the government shuts down and people don't get paid due to political issues. It just baffles me, and it isn't even that uncommon it seems, as from what I can gather it has already happened a number of times since Trump took power.
 
Dargonk said:
I really don't understand America's system where there is the possibility that the government shuts down and people don't get paid due to political issues. It just baffles me, and it isn't even that uncommon it seems, as from what I can gather it has already happened a number of times since Trump took power.
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It’s happened many times and not just under Trump. It’s a ridiculous situation.
 
Dargonk said:
I really don't understand America's system where there is the possibility that the government shuts down and people don't get paid due to political issues. It just baffles me, and it isn't even that uncommon it seems, as from what I can gather it has already happened a number of times since Trump took power.
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Shutting down the federal government is almost a badge of honor for American conservatives and libertarian types.
 
The man has demantia and is an imbecile. Didn't he just renegotiate NAFTA a few weeks ago? Also, it's obvious he's not getting his wall and is beginning to vent.
 
Surely his overall approval rating is entirely down to republicans? That 39% can't include any Dems, can it?

If his approval rating amongst Democrats is anything other than 0% I'd be appalled.
 
Kentonio said:
It’s happened many times and not just under Trump. It’s a ridiculous situation.
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I'm aware of that, but what baffles me is that it is even possible.

What normally happens when it starts back up again. Are people compensated for the period the government opted not to function, or is is screw them and everyone loses out.
 
If he shuts the border big business will be on the phone to their represntatives in Congress. There’s too much trade, both ways, to allow it to stay closed.
So he’s threatening the Dems with those donor calls.
 
utdalltheway said:
If he shuts the border big business will be on the phone to their represntatives in Congress. There’s too much trade, both ways, to allow it to stay closed.
So he’s threatening the Dems with those donor calls.
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If donors are suffering, McConnell’s ass will burn before any Democrats.
 
Grinner said:
I'm willing to be educated. Ideally without the condescension, but you don't seem to be able to help that.
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I only return condescension when it is given to me first as you did at the start of this exchange so you should probably look in the mirror and begin debates with a different tone than how you started this one.

This book is a great summary:



"Byrne does not portray Reagan as a passive, disengaged president victimized by maverick policy makers. Through the use of primary sources, the author demonstrates that Reagan was actively involved in every stage of Iran-Contra from its initiation through the cover up. . . . Byrne provides readers with a cautionary tale about structural issues in the American political system that perpetuate the unchecked abuse of power by the executive branch. this work is a must read for students of the presidency. Highly recommended."—Choice

"At last, the Iran-Contra affair has a comprehensive history worthy of the scandal which, if the system had worked, should have landed many senior White House officials in the slammer. Malcolm Byrne has told this complex story in brilliant fashion."—Seymour M. Hersh, author of Chain of Command: The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib
 
Rado_N said:
Surely his overall approval rating is entirely down to republicans? That 39% can't include any Dems, can it?

If his approval rating amongst Democrats is anything other than 0% I'd be appalled.
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2% of UKIP voters chose remain in the referendum.
 
Abizzz said:
To be fair those are the smart 2%.
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I'd question the intelligence of anyone who's voting to remain within the EU but votes for the party whose entire platform is for us to leave.:lol:
 
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