I think its more of a case of Trump thinking he can do business with her. If not for her, his entire final two years will be in lame duck status.
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I think its more of a case of Trump thinking he can do business with her. If not for her, his entire final two years will be in lame duck status.
I think Pelosi gets a bad reputation just because people have heard of her. She's been a very effective politician in the past, a leader in the democratic party for years and is also progressive.
I'd have no problem whatsoever with her as speaker.
I'd have no problem whatsoever with her as speaker.
Her problem is that outside of democractic heartland (and even within) she's detested. A very polarazing figure, more so than Hillary.
What are her major achievements?
Getting healthcare through. With a public option.
Anyone need a good vom? Here you go
The healthcare provisions they got through given the Dems had the WH as well as House and Senate majorities for two years were shite to be fair.
Do you remember the battles for it to get passed? Do you think passing single payer would've been easier than that?
Good at raising money from donors.Who then affect her decision making.
That doesn't make a watered down shitty final product a major achievement.
That's definitely true.
It's hard to quantify a house speaker's job as having major achievements since many of the bills they support often get watered down after they leave the house. In Pelosi's case, a majority of Dem congress people are going to support her because of her experience and her ability to deal directly with Trump (who oddly enough seems to not dislike her). So let's say the Dems want to get an infrastructure bill through the congress next year (something Trump also happens to support) then having someone who can do business with him to negotiate the finer points wouldn't be a bad thing. All things said however, I think the Dems need to start transitioning away from these aging career politicians and towards newer faces who are reflective of the new Congress.
Kinell, if passing that in 2010 doesn't count as a major achievement then pretty much nothing since civil rights counts 
There's a reason why Trump is happy with the idea of her as speaker.
Kinell, if passing that in 2010 doesn't count as a major achievement then pretty much nothing since civil rights counts
I'm probably being harsh, but the Dems were too spineless to get the job done properly when they had full control and the end result was nowhere near good enough.
Pelosi is too concerned with appeasing others and bending over backwards to be bipartisan. The party needs a new identity and to fully embrace a progressive approach.
Sure...its a 'better the devil you know' situation for him. Ultimately, if she can get an infrastructure bill through the Congress with Trump's support (to outflank McConnell attempting to dilute it) then it wouldn't be a bad thing.
Will be interesting when trump defines the wall as infrastructure critical to the national interest... But yeah in theory if people care about getting stuff done the next 2 years can't be court battles and hate
#infrastructureweek
When was that meant to be again?
When was that meant to be again?
Is this the longest thread on the caf?
Growing ,and still a couple of years to go ,if that.
It’s 4.33982% the size of the original Messi vs Ronaldo thread, if Cal’s posts weren’t regularly pruned.
His "I wank over Hillary Clinton" thread is bigger than the entire internet.
It may seem long but if he is impeached or in some other way removed from office, the thread would exponentially expand in a way not unlike the spacetime inflation after the Big Bang.
Well, both saw enemies everywhere.
Is she pliable?
First he criticizes California for the way they have handled the wildfires, then he said he is gonna do everything to save them.
Too little too late. The damage of his words has been done and his late action means too much literal damage has been done and too many lives lost or ruined because of his ineptitude and his callous indifference towards blue states and their residents.
People all over the world have seen and heard, millions of Californians are talking about it and many will have relatives around the country or many non Californian residents will have family or friends there. So the only people that will fall for anything Trump has to say about this are those of his brainwashed cult who don't have friends or family in California.
So many high ranking and important people from all the services be it military or not, have come out and criticised Trump in the last week or two. He's had his worst month in office so far I think. Slammed for not attending memorial services and using visit excuses. Slammed for placing 5000 troops on the border for a political stunt and battered at the polls. Now he's getting hammered for his comments and inactivity and insensitivity towards Californians in a great time of need. His recent switch to arselicking mode and calls for bipartisanship are so blatant. After two years of relentless abuse, Pelosi and the Dems should tell him to go feck himself.
Case in point...
What the feck! Is this his way of begging them not to investigate him?
What is happening with Trump? Why he is being 'gentle' to Democrats in Florida and Georgia? Thought that he would have tweeted 'hah, those African-American losers thought that they are going to become governators'.
He’s smarming his way round them. First Pelosi, now them. Don’t know why he bothers, they can’t indict a sitting President. He’s in his element sat in the WH. He can do what he wants.
All presidents try to cosy up to the opposition when they have a majority in the house or senate. This is the only part of Trumps marketing that's been somewhat similar to the last few presidents. It's about getting democrats to play nice in upcoming legislation, and the lack of spine they've shown in recent decades suggests they will.
You 2 are such cynics. The president is showing true bipartisanship by reaching out to the democrats and treating them with respect.
The democrats would be utter cnuts if they were to push for subpoenas and financial investigations now, they be showing their obstructionist face.
Trump knows the house will investigate whether he plays nice or not. And that he'll eventually get impeached. He also knows the republican base loves him and there is no chance of getting indicted by the senate, and he'll use that in 2020 to rile up voters and win a second term.
Probably because he needs them to pass some of his laws. Hope they are gonna tell him to feck off.
@Ubik
Dont know if you saw this last time, but I posted it before, and it definitely changed my view of the single-payer battle (specifically in the senate)
https://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/democrats_34/
Yeah I think for years I'd assumed that Lieberman was the one that killed it, but there was obviously more intra-Dem opposition than that. Where I differ from Greenwald is the assumption that this was Obama's plan all along. According to Nate Silver here - https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/few-final-thoughts-on-ublicpay/ - the head count was actually way underneath 50. And as the bulk of Obamacare didn't pass through reconciliation, I'm more drawn towards the view that the main fault you can lay at the door of the admin was that it was still suffering from delusions of bipartisanship. And I don't think much blame can be laid at the feet of Pelosi, who people seem to think is a blue dog or something.
Another thing for sale.
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