That tweet is just for his base.
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Of course it is but I agree with Dwazza, it shouldn’t be dismissed like that so easily.
Yeah and his base is what's preventing his disapproval dropping further.
That's a lot of people who will believe it and argue that anything that comes from Cohen is fake news.
True, but at the end of the day its the Mueller and the legal jurisdictions where the case is taking place that matter.
Since the decision to impeach is political, I'd say that's what really matters.
I think there's a higher chance he will be voted out than impeached.
Oh well that's ok then.
That's two more years of free license to do whatever Putin likes then.
Depends on what matters to you. Müller might get Trump out of office, but he won't get the people who believe him out of the voting booth. So if Trump pushes his narrative well enough he might not be able to save his job, but it might be enough to get the next lunatic elected.
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It would take that long anyway since Mueller is likely to lay low beginning in early Sep due to not wanting be perceived as moving the mid term elections. Then he is waiting the Manafort, Cohen, and Roger Stone issues to be resolved. Then he will still be waiting on Trump to do an interview. If he tries to subpoena him, Trump will likely resist and the case will be litigated all the way up to SCOTUS, which will take yet more time. At that point we will be in the thick of the 2020 Presidential campaign so whatever happens with Mueller's results will be looked at by the public prior to reelection time.
There was a long line of possibilities that you've suggested with Trump from pivoting to the left as he's a New York Democrat to Republicans ditching him once his approval falls below 25% which at that time was a matter of minutes but unfortunately none of that has come to fruition. Perhaps it's time to leave the conventional wisdom behind
Alternatively, you can use our new ignore thread feature if you aren't comfortable with the opinions of others.
Verdicts in the court of public opinion resonate long after those in superior court and their aftershocks can be destructive. That's the fear with these tweets of his.
I have no problem reading your views or arguing with you. Why should I be uncomfortable if you are wrong and why would I need to ignore you? It's not like you are taking away my livelihood. Bizzare response.
You're in a political discussion thread asking people to not give a routine opinion about whether Trump will be impeached.
He is so much worse than Bush now. It's just unbelievable how stupid and moron he is.That doesn't really support your assertion. Trump is no doubt disliked around the world, but not necessarily more than Bush was at the end of his term.
Hes suggesting your analysis is wrong because it is based on a framework that no longer exists. Hes not telling you not to give your opinions.
He will always keep his base as long as Fox keeps running his propaganda for him. So short of something diabolical in the Mueller report, the 35-40% will always be there. The ones who won't always be there are the independents that got him elected. He is doing rather poorly with them at the moment and won't have much luck with his reelection unless he gets them back, which won't be easy given that many of them have already left and are not inclined to return given the daily negative information coming out from Mueller, Cohen, the Putin meetings etc.
He brought the country out of the biggest recession in recent years and left it in a state that Trump can claim that the economy is better and unemployment lower than it has been for years.
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There's definite truth to this, but moreso than independents getting him elected, it was bizarrely the 'other candidates' that screwed Clinton. Trump was only up 2m votes on Romney, and still 3m behind Hillary (who was actually broadly in line with Obama's last win). The biggest movement was the dipsh*ts - excuse me, indepedent thinkers - that voted for other candidates. Over 7m Americans voted for someone else, up over 5m from 2016.
Bottom line is that Trump didn't win the popular vote, doesn't have the support of the majority of the country and as you note, at this stage only really has the support of his indoctrinated base. It's not like any independent voters have yet to form an opinion of the oaf. What is simply amazing is how the Republicans are able to still maintain so much control, despite definitely not having the support of more voters. Gerrymandering is basically the real reason they're in power. And what is most impressive about that is it's a perversion of democracy and freedom, yet those who would most tout those two words are those who are happiest with the results.
Agreed on all fronts. I'd be interested to see how a strong Dem fares against Trump in 2020 without the headwinds of Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in the mix. Johnson alone took about 3% of the popular vote and Stein another 1. But ultimately, if the Dems don't nominate someone who can galvanize the base and reach out independents they may find themselves in a similar situation.
Is anyone that doesn't always vote Republican or and only or Democrat a "dipsh*t" in your opinion?
As Michael Moore has said, HR Clinton maxed out support from liberals, greens and leftists. Nader took 2.7% in 2000. Perot took 8.5% in 1998 and 19% in 1994 (pulling from both sides). Johnson was pulling people from Trump more than Clinton. So I don't see any basis for blaming Trump being elected on liberals/leftists/greens not supporting the Hilary enough or blaming Stein or Johnson. If anything Trump would have won by more without those two.
The next Dem is simply going to have to do a better job of galvanizing the base and reaching out to independents. Trump and the Fox propaganda machine will have a stranglehold on the GOP base going in and the Dems will likely have better base support in an all out push to get rid of Trump, so the real battle will be among who can get the bigger slice of independent support.
Been said already?
He better hope there are no “tapes” of him and Cohen discussing a payoff for McDougal.
Meanwhile, like Comey, I hope there are tapes.
He better hope there are no “tapes” of him and Cohen discussing a payoff for McDougal.
Meanwhile, like Comey, I hope there are tapes.
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From my experience I'd say at least four different sections of independent voters that Democrats can target:
The True Progressives - people who won't vote Democrat just to vote Democrat but want a true progressive.
The Apoliticals - I know many people that simply don't follow politics. Typically the ones I know are either workaholics in a non-politically charged industry and/or they have some hobby they dedicate most of their free time on. They don't vote all the time and when they occasionally do, its usually because of a a specific reason.
The Both Parties are the Same, Neither Work for My Interests people - These are people that don't see much difference between the parties, don't feel that changing President impacts their life much - for instance I heard comments like "Bush or Obama doesn't matter to me as my life is exactly the same if either is President". These people usually don't vote but like apoliticals if they do its usually because of a very specific reason.
The Borderliners - These are the ones that I think most people class as "independents". People who truly mix conservative and liberal ideals. The classic 'socially liberal but economic conservative' types. Tech industry half-libertarians. And several more.
HRC focused too much on the Borderliners and ignored the other three groups. That was the mistake. The Democrats simply need to refine a message that can appeal to all these groups - healthcare for example is a good option.
Its the message and who carries the message that will determine if the Democrats can retake the WH.
Impeachment is a losing strategy.
Let Mueller get the facts.
Impeachment is a losing strategy.
Let Mueller get the facts.
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Him being in charge has given that 50ish% of assholes permission to live their life with little or no filter, to be able to show their true colors.
Trump, coupled with total media saturation, has been the key to unlock inhibitions towards racism, sexism, xenophobism, basically thought processes that kept their owner somewhat silent, lest they get hammered by society. Now the cnuts feel unbridled to spew forth their bile & are given the satisfaction of finally being able to vote for something like themselves for president.
In terms of just winning an election, we only need a Democrat who's appealing enough to win Florida, Ohio, and one of Pennsylvania or Michigan. Trump, if I recall correctly, won each of those states by slim margins, likely thanks to independent voters. I believe that enough of those swing voters will have been turned off by Trump at this point, let alone two years from now as he's only becoming more unhinged and embarrassing.
Agreed. Groups 2,3,&4 from your list seem to be in the independent category and she only convincingly got one of them, so whoever wins the Dem nomination is going to have to galvanize all four groups to win.
We should not forget that we live in historic times! This will be the worst president ever. Worse than James Buchanan (who basically caused the Civil War). Worst president ever!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
if Buchanan caused the civil war he should be higher on the list. Alas he did not
He twiddled his thumbs while the Southern states declared secession, leaving the problem for Lincoln to solve.
He backed Kansas joining the Union as an avowed slave using State. He alienated republicans and northern Democrats.
"Aaaand what is an Allepo". I do believe Stein was also in the same function room during that damming video of Flynn at the table with Putin. There will never be a perfect candidate for each voter, thats the nature of the beast. But you have to make a sane choice for the greater good and unfortunately a fake child sex ring at a pizza shop was more important to some Americans then a very real online "university" fraud.
sounds like he wasnt arsed either way. Not sure if that means "he basically started it" but i leave the american history to the americans
I wouldn’t say he is who “started it”, but he definitely played a role. His predecessor, Franklin Pierce, did a good bit of damage as well.sounds like he wasnt arsed either way. Not sure if that means "he basically started it" but i leave the american history to the americans
FBI and deep state apparatus are working to remove Trump. If they fail, he stands a good chance of winning the next election.
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