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Fully Fledged said:
It's gonna be years before the Dem's have a Supreme Court that can undo the carnage that a Trump appointed Court will do.
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There's always the nuclear option of court packing if they regain all 3 branches in 2020.
 
Sigma said:
Democrats should just do what Republicans did to Obama and Garland even though it's probably unconstitutional. Just cite his terrible (albeit slightly improving) approval ratings.

Dems are looking better for the midterms anyway, so just hold on until then when the majority should be flipped.
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They don't have the numbers.

EDIT: Berbatrick got there.
 
Sigma said:
Midterms coming soon. I would guess that nominating and voting on a judge would take a few months. They might get away with it.
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They will do everything possible to get it done before that.
 
Fully Fledged said:
They can't get rid of the judges on the Supreme Court though and they can overrule any other court.
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I meant increase the number of judges on the SCOTUS, if the conservatives have 6 at the end of Trump, make it 13.
 
Sigma said:
Democrats should just do what Republicans did to Obama and Garland even though it's probably unconstitutional. Just cite his terrible (albeit slightly improving) approval ratings.

Dems are looking better for the midterms anyway, so just hold on until then when the majority should be flipped.
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The Rs will attempt to ram the new nominee through before the elections. They control the Senate so it shouldn’t be too hard.
 
Chekhov said:
A traitor who colluded with a hostile foreign leader to ascend to the presidency gets to shape the Supreme Court--and the American social and political landscape--for another generation.

America has seen it's better days.
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Or a democratically elected president follows normal practice... but I guess that's a little less spectacular.

Much as I loath his politics I think he will win a second term and I fully expect one if not both of Ginsberg and Breyer (both Clinton picks I think) to resign as they would be 90 and 85...

And anyway ivankas probably taking over in 2024 so get used to it murica
 
sun_tzu said:
Or a democratically elected president follows normal practice... but I guess that's a little less spectacular.

Much as I loath his politics I think he will win a second term and I fully expect one if not both of Ginsberg and Breyer (both Clinton picks I think) to resign as they would be 90 and 85...

And anyway ivankas probably taking over in 2024 so get used to it murica
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Why do you think he'd win a 2nd term? :confused:
 
Cal? said:
There's always the nuclear option of court packing if they regain all 3 branches in 2020.
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adexkola said:
Shout-out to FDR.
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There are now three of us!

Another reminder that the conservative judges don't care about process:
Before retiring from the Supreme Court in 2009, liberal Justice David Souter penned a dissent so critical of the court's conservative justices, Chief Justice John Roberts went to great lengths to prevent it from being published. That's one of the clams from The New Yorker's epic dissection of the 2010 Supreme Court Decision Citizens United vs. the Federal Election Commission. Taking us inside the legal wranglings of the high-profile case, staff writer Jeffrey Toobin describes a dissent Souter wrote at the end of his tenure at the Supreme Court. The argument, which remains unpublished, accused Roberts of engineering the outcome of the Citizens United case:

Souter wrote a dissent that aired some of the Court’s dirty laundry. By definition, dissents challenge the legal conclusions of the majority, but Souter accused the Chief Justice of violating the Court’s own procedures to engineer the result he wanted.

Roberts didn’t mind spirited disagreement on the merits of any case, but Souter’s attack—an extraordinary, bridge-burning farewell to the Court—could damage the Court’s credibility. So the Chief came up with a strategically ingenious maneuver.

Toobin goes on to explain that Roberts put Citizens United down for the process known as "reargument" on June 29, 2009, the last day of that year's term, and the day that Souter retired. The maneuver set the trajectory of the case and ultimately prevented Souter's dissent from being published. As U.C.–Irvine School of Law professor Rick Hasen notes on his blog, "thanks to the reargument ... the criticism that the Court decided the issue without briefing was gone."
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Cal? said:
Why do you think he'd win a 2nd term? :confused:
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Unemployment was at an all time high before Trump came along and fixed it, the economy was in the gutter before Trump came along and fixed that too. Violent immigrant crime was rampant in the streets and Oceania was at war with Eastasia.
 
These appointments are for life? That’s silly to be honest. Why arent supreme court justices bound by terms? Seems a bit medieval
 
KirkDuyt said:
These appointments are for life? That’s silly to be honest. Why arent supreme court justices bound by terms? Seems a bit medieval
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Because it allows them to be free to rule without worrying about the whims of an electorate. It's a good idea but relies on honesty and integrity, so doomed to fail.
 
Eboue said:
The people who created the constitution were foolish
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That’s the thing with constitutions they’re old. They should be changed to get with the times, but that’s unAmerican ofcourse lest they lose their right to bear muskets to form a militia incase of a tyrannical government.
 
ChaddyP said:
flake could be of help to them
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That, and McCain's health working together. But I don't have faith in either. Plus there's always Manchin/Heitkamp/Doug Jones who could go the other way.
Does anyone know what Susan Collins thinks about abortion? Because she must know that Roe v Wade is on the line here.

edit - Gorsuch got 3 Dem votes.
 
berbatrick said:
That, and McCain's health working together. But I don't have faith in either. Plus there's always Manchin/Heitkamp/Doug Jones who could go the other way.
Does anyone know what Susan Collins thinks about abortion? Because she must know that Roe v Wade is on the line here.
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Don't rely on Manchin. He's a snake.
 
Americans shot themselves in the foot 2 years ago. Instead of getting better it's getting worse...
 
Eboue said:
The people who created the constitution were foolish
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It's funny, the life expectancy back then was around 40. The thought of 85 year old judges clinging to their seats wouldn't have even crossed their minds.
 
Grinner said:
Surely he'll choose someone with an eye on his impending impeachment.
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Would the Supreme Court be able to, let’s just say for hypothetical sake, over ride any criminal charges brought against Trump?
 
Koch Brothers-Linked Group Declares New War on Unions
The Supreme Court decision to kill “agency” fees triggers a massive campaign to accelerate the demise of the American labor movement.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...thers-linked-group-declares-new-war-on-unions
Following a U.S. Supreme Court decision that millions of public sector workers can stop paying union fees, a group tied to Republican billionaires long opposed to organized labor and its support of the Democratic Party has pledged to build on the landmark ruling to further marginalize employee representation.



The conservative non-profit Freedom Foundation said that starting Wednesday it will deploy 80 people to a trio of West Coast union bastions: California, Oregon, and its home state of Washington. The canvassers were hired in March and trained this month, according to internal documents reviewed by Bloomberg News. The goal of the multi-pronged campaign is to shrink union ranks in the three states by 127,000 members—and to offer an example for similar efforts targeting unions around the country.
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The death-by-a-thousand-cuts of unions is important not just for labour but for Dem voting numbers.
 
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