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Why bother even having rules about what government officials can and can’t do, when the president breaks them all and no-one does anything?
 
Maybe it’s not Trump who is the issue here. Everyone knew who and what he was throughout the election. He never pretended to be anything else.

America elected him as their President. They knew what they were getting. A very large portion of the voting American public wanted this.

The problems lies with them.
 
Klopper76 said:
Maybe it’s not Trump who is the issue here. Everyone knew who and what he was throughout the election. He never pretended to be anything else.

America elected him as their President. They knew what they were getting. A very large portion of the voting American public wanted this.

The problems lies with them.
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Was just reading this yesterday, similar position

https://www.gq.com/story/the-people-are-the-problem
America is a broken democracy at the moment, and Trump’s presidency has revealed the myriad ways in which it always has been. Going by polls, our leadership does not accurately reflect the views of a majority of our population. And yet, ever since Trump was elected, I have had a very difficult time comprehending the fact that over 60 million people voted for him. Voted for THAT guy. It was an electorally unforgivable act, and yet they went ahead and did it anyway. These voters are always portrayed as beholden to forces outside of their control, both socioeconomic and political. But it is the will of those same people that put Trump in power and have approved of nearly all of the Republican Party’s efforts to mutilate democracy to better serve its own greed. The people did this. I know it’s comforting to think that there’s a “spell” Trump has over them, that politicians and the media lead these voters to dark places. But what if it’s the other way around? What if they suck?
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People have always fecking sucked. The responsibility of politicians isn’t to represent the electorates base instincts, it’s to lead them to a better more hopeful ideal. Make people feel that there is hope, and they won’t want to burn everything down, leave them feeling abandoned and hopeless and they’ll revert to the same shit throwing monkeys we all are in our roots.

So no, it’s not Trumps fault, vile turd of a cnut though he is. It’s the politicians who left half the country (and ours) feeling hopeless for so long.
 
Barca84 said:
An unpalatable truth perhaps.

There is this constant refrain that "This is not America". But it seems that a big portion of it, enough to vote this man in and possibly reelect him, is.
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It is what “democracy” leads to...
Consider: If you go to buy a car, you do your research. After all, if you make a smart choice, you reap the rewards; if you make a bad choice, you suffer the consequences. Over time, most people learn to become better consumers.

Not so with politics. How all of us vote, collectively, matters a great deal. But how any one of us votes does not. Imagine a college professor told her class of 210 million students, “Three months from now, we’ll have a final exam. You won’t get your own personal grade. Instead, I’ll average all of your grades together, and everyone will receive the same grade.” No one would bother to study, and the average grade would be an F.

That, in a nutshell, is how democracy works. Most voters are ignorant or misinformed because the costs to them of acquiring political information greatly exceed the potential benefits. They can afford to indulge silly, false, delusional beliefs — precisely because such beliefs cost them nothing. After all, the chances that any individual vote will decide the election is vanishingly small. As a result, individual voters tend to vote expressively, to show their commitment to their worldview and team. Voting is more like doing the wave at a sports game than it is like choosing policy.
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http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/11/10...s-trump-clinton-election-republican-democrat/
 
The day after Trump's election, I was talking to my boss and like many of us, he was looking defeated. He's an older gay man and he clearly had this sense of dread, that after so long, things were about to turn backwards. I remember telling him at the time that maybe this works out in the end because it serves as a reminder that progress is not linear and that there are always setbacks. That hopefully this would energize and motivate people who otherwise took their vote and their voice for granted. It sucks that Trump & Co get to wreak havoc first but we don't have to make it easy for them.

Despite what the polls tell you, I can visible proof of change in the form of political activity on specific issues and by younger people that wasn't the case before. Obama's election lulled us into this sense of having won the war but really it was just the first battle. Now it would just be nice if the leaders of the Democratic Party figured that out too.
 
Kentonio said:
The responsibility of politicians isn’t to represent the electorates base instincts, it’s to lead them to a better more hopeful ideal.
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That’s one of 4 different types of representative theory though. Right now, conservative voters have bought in to a different theory.
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shabadu84 said:
The day after Trump's election, I was talking to my boss and like many of us, he was looking defeated. He's an older gay man and he clearly had this sense of dread, that after so long, things were about to turn backwards. I remember telling him at the time that maybe this works out in the end because it serves as a reminder that progress is not linear and that there are always setbacks. That hopefully this would energize and motivate people who otherwise took their vote and their voice for granted. It sucks that Trump & Co get to wreak havoc first but we don't have to make it easy for them.

Despite what the polls tell you, I can visible proof of change in the form of political activity on specific issues and by younger people that wasn't the case before. Obama's election lulled us into this sense of having won the war but really it was just the first battle. Now it would just be nice if the leaders of the Democratic Party figured that out too.
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Mid-terms will prove you right or wrong.
I fear this is the real America.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I don't see any illusion. No President has ever gotten all his lower court judicial nominees through COngress. The system is designed for minority to have some ability to stop extreme nominations. This is designed to incentivize more moderate nominations.
So a President not getting all his judicial nominees does not equal obstructionism, that is simply the system working as intended.

This is night and day difference from the Senators from one party clearly breaking their Oath to uphold the Constitution solely to prevent a President from exercising his Constitutionally granted right to nominate a Supreme Court Justice. This is unprecedented level of breaking the public servant oath to the Constitution.

Its not an illusion. There is simply no comparable event from the modern Democratic party (FDR-current). The closest you get is what happened to Robert Bork, a far right Reagan nominee that the Democrats blocked. But, and this is a pretty massive BUT the difference is the Democrats did let Reagan get his Supreme Court nomination in the end (Clarence Thomas). What happened to Bork was the system working as intended. The minority preventing an extreme nominee but eventually allowing the President to nominate a slightly less extreme Justice.

Blocking a President from performing his Constitutionally granted right for over a year for no reason other than partisan politics was the greatest oath breaking I have seen in modern times. \
Nothing modern Democrats have done is even remotely comparable to this level of injustice - again compare Bork to the outright refusal to allow any nomination for over a year.

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Personally I believe this was such an unprecedented, egregious and life changing violation, the Democrats now have a free pass to reclaim their stolen Justice. If Trump gets a nomination, the Democrats blocking it is not obstructionism, it is justice to reclaim the unconstitutional theft of a nomination.
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I am not informed enough to assess the merits of your argument, but seems coherent. Well written post.
 


Chris Cuomo completely destroys Corey Lewandowski here. He is so clueless.
 
Just catching up with Sarah Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant story. It's typical of right-wing hypocrisy; supporting the idea business could refuse to service to gay people and defending it as 'freedom', yet thinking when a business refuses to serve you it's an injustice people should know about.

feck her.
 
Oscie said:
Just catching up with Sarah Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant story. It's typical of right-wing hypocrisy; supporting the idea business could refuse to service to gay people and defending it as 'freedom', yet thinking when a business refuses to serve you it's an injustice people should know about.

feck her.
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Aye, and feck Jeremy Corbyn.
 
Oscie said:
Just catching up with Sarah Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant story. It's typical of right-wing hypocrisy; supporting the idea business could refuse to service to gay people and defending it as 'freedom', yet thinking when a business refuses to serve you it's an injustice people should know about.

feck her.
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Yep. It's also typical that the a large amount of the press have gone with this 'call for civility' nonsense, when what happened was she was quietly taken to one side and calmly asked to leave.
 
KirkDuyt said:
The one that won campaigned on abolishing ICE didn't she? don't think she's less of a Trump hater honestly.
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She campaigns on basically all the stuff Bernie Sanders campaigns on. That's great that she defeated the establishment.
 
Oscie said:
Just catching up with Sarah Sanders being asked to leave a restaurant story. It's typical of right-wing hypocrisy; supporting the idea business could refuse to service to gay people and defending it as 'freedom', yet thinking when a business refuses to serve you it's an injustice people should know about.

feck her.
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All these “hypocrisy” accusastions end up cutting both ways though.

If the left argue that a cake shop owner must put aside their own feelings and bake a cake for any customer, irrespective of their sexual preferences, wouldn’t they be hypocrites if they didn’t also urge restaurants to continue to serve Sarah Sanders despite her political preferences?

Any discussion about stuff like this ends up as tit for tat nonsense, with both sides convinced that it’s the other guy who’s being the hypocrite.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
All these “hypocrisy” accusastions end up cutting both ways though.

If the left argue that a cake shop owner must put aside their own feelings and bake a cake for any customer, irrespective of their sexual preferences, wouldn’t they be hypocrites if they didn’t also urge restaurants to continue to serve Sarah Sanders despite her political preferences?

Any discussion about stuff like this ends up as tit for tat nonsense, with both sides convinced that it’s the other guy who’s being the hypocrite.
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One is being denied service, because she's a bad person. The other one is being denied service because they were born gay.

Big difference imo.
 
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