Change sometimes comes with pain.
On the Plus side, the Progressives are taking over the party.... or so it seems.
Once again it is not the voters fault what happened.
The Dems put up a very poor candidate.
That is why this happened.
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Change sometimes comes with pain.
On the Plus side, the Progressives are taking over the party.... or so it seems.
Once again it is not the voters fault what happened.
The Dems put up a very poor candidate.
That is why this happened.
Like I said, he needs to back up his words.
Hillary ignored these people. Counties that had twice voted for Obama switched to Trump.
That is not the voters fault.
It is the Dems fault.
Not quite true - this is another of Trump's lies/simplifications. Technology and wages are the main reason some jobs have gone, and some others have been created. The coal mines did not move to Mexico, they were simply not profitable nor sustainable. And by the way, which are "these" trade deals you are talking about, other than NAFTA?
Outsourcing to and the rise of Chinese imports to the US has happened without trade agreements, which clearly shows that the problem lies elsewhere.
No provisions were made for these people to transition to other jobs.
Infrastructure jobs would have in some way helped in the transition. Obama tried and failed in a GOP led Congress to get a jobs bill out.
Lets see what Trump can do.
If he is interested he would come up with ideas.
Think Health Care and Free College Tuition would be part of this. If not what?
Agreed, but it has little to do with trade agreements. Making healthcare and education accessible to all would be an excellent first step, as is the case in most progressive countries in the world. Do you believe the Trump administration will do this?
I want to be clear on this. Hilary lost because she is not sincere and honest. For Trump that didn't matter?
I'd like to see the same poll taken for Goldman etc.
Surely NAFTA had an effect.
I'm more inclined to think that Trump will set us back with Health Care. Education? With who he has appointed. not optimistic.
Hillary lost because she had no vision. She offered nothing and was not trusted.
Trump spoke to people who had suffered through job losses.
Can he help them? As I said if he gets his job program through congress, perhaps he could.
He spoke to them through bigotry. Do not sugarcoat that.
May look like a hostage video but worth a watch
I'm not defending him. He appealed to people's fears.
all the more tragic that There was no counter message.
This is different to your position from yesterday. You said sincere and honest. Which is it? Or is it all of the above. Again, I'm after clarity so I can start to understand why people voted the way they did. In the last month he's shown his promises aren't real yet bar a few people voicing displeasure he's still being cheered on. There is more to this.
Is Trump any of the following?
Sincere... no
Honest... hell no
Trusted... no
Offered things... anything you want to hear at the time and is starting to backtrack on everything before taking office
I would agree with you on that but the other candidate was Donald Trump.
Trump won by default.
Hillary lost because she could not offer a vision.
There is no difference to what I said yesterday.
Strange as it may seem, Trump may actually be able to help these people if he gets the jobs bill done.
I will save you the trouble Spoiler Alert he won't.
The main fault lies with the Democratic party.
What you say is correct from a purely logical point of view.
But we are dealing with human beings.
I would not blame the voter for what happened.
I think he will unravel more things than help. But a jobs bill if it gets passed, will help. Our infrastructure is in huge need for repair.
Republicans have already told Trump to feck off with his trillion dollar infrastructure plan unless he can offset that with cuts elsewhere 
Republicans have already told Trump to feck off with his trillion dollar infrastructure plan unless he can offset that with cuts elsewhere
this will be a very interesting debate.
Interest rate hike from the Fed has gone down a treat.
I like Morning Joe too. I wish they would move it to the evening slot. Joe Scarborough and Mika discuss a lot of interesting things and speak sense, unlike Chris Matthews and Maddow and all the others at MSNBC. Their election coverage was horrible. Fox was better than them on election day. FOX!
She just got sacked for this....
eh, she's suggesting family favoritism could be worse than someone fecking their daughter?
They even have nepotism laws?
They even have nepotism laws?
A lot of people suspect something weird is going on between him and Ivanka, but you can't as a journalist post stuff like that without proof.
Hillary will never be a good option again. Too much hate and nonsense has been built against the Clintons (not just her) for years. It's now ingrained in a sizeable portion of the public.
Not to mention she will be way too old then, not to mention damaged goods. I know Michelle Obama has repeatedly said she wouldn't want the job, but I think she would definitely be strong enough to get elected, she would also definitely get the voters out for her. If she sticks to her guns though (and I can't blame her for not wanting to do it) then the Dems have 4 years to get their shit together and get a serious candidate that everyone can believe and get behind. They also have to absolutely ensure that it is someone that is completely clean. They seriously cannot feck up like they did this time again or it could damage the party for another 2 terms at least.
I don't actually mean Hillary (she's done), but what she represents. The career politician over the maverick.
For fecks sake, he still doesn't get it at all. (and he can't spell properly either *businesses)
And the awful cabinet picks roll on.........
She just got sacked for this....
Got a job at The Atlantic. Building a firebrand personae I reckon.
Also, Glenn Thrush, their main podcaster and Politico Playbook editor also left for a job at NYT. He has the most connections, so I think something is going on there.
Mika says that the Clinton campaign tried to screw with her.
By the way, anyone else find Ana Kasparian smoking hot? She's delicious.
By the way, anyone else find Ana Kasparian smoking hot? She's delicious.
I wouldn't blame trade deals like Nafta and then broad brush all trade deals as bad.
Trade deals are generally good for economies of most nations. It forces a country to develop its own comparative advantages. In the case of Nafta, which was developed by Old Man Bush and signed by Bill in an era of pre-Internet days. It maybe obsolete in parts but the fact is that it allows fairer competition amongst nations within a trading bloc.
Then like most competitions like the EPL, where you have oligarchs or Oil barons funded organisations, clubs like United need to find another way to survive and prosper -- thus those silly marketing agreements. You find a way within the framework like the EPL.
Like the EPL, as in Nafta, each club/nation needs to find its strength and leverage to survive otherwise we get relegated. Trying to protect manufacturing, coal mining jobs is akin to asking the league to play according to pre-EPL rules when the TV money from Sky became a huge factor for everyone.
The criticism of governments would be to re-train the workers but that takes two hands to clap ie workers wanting to change and also having relevant re-training programmes to make these former workers employable. Many of these re-training schemes have been cut or have no landing strips for jobs later.
Going forward, the TPP is in my opinion in more of a long term political play rather than a trade deal. I also ensure that the US is a relevant player in the fastest growing region in the world. It also provides the various countries, a more equal trading partner in the US and a counter-balance to China's dominance in the A-P area.
So trade deals arent just about jobs.
I used to, but she's losing the plot recently. She was always fiery but lately she has become extremely short tempered and she can't filter herself anymore. She has taken the election loss as a personal affront to her sense of intelligence and decency. She wasn't a Hillary supporter either, she was firmly in the Bernie camp, but she was definitely anyone but the Moron Elect. She would have settled for Hillary for the exact reasons the moron Is already showing a month before he's even officially in office. Ana really can't tolerate any fools or BS anymore and unfortunately her message (which is often bang on) is now more often than not, completely lost in her rants. She's becoming like the left wing version of Alex Jones (info wars nutter not Attractive Welsh One Show Presenter) I hate to say that because I've been a fan of hers for over a decade, but this election result has really hit her hard. Hopefully she can pull herself together and tone it back down a little, because she's losing viewers with her aggressive ways.
Of course you are right.
With NAFTA, they did not make any provision to transition these people to other jobs. That is the government's responsibility. After all it is is our government.
And it is not just moving to computer type jobs. Most of these people want to work in some form of manufacturing work.
That is why the Infrastructure/Jobs bill needs to pass. I don't think Congress is going to be able to say no to a President Trump.
He will take this to the people. All those congressmen will find it difficult in 2 years.
If you listen to what Trump said to Ryan, he is giving a veiled threat. He better work with him.
I understand about TPP. China is our main political rival. Not the Russians.
We will see how all this plays out.
So this morning's news is 3 Trump kids sitting in on meetings with tech industry (so much for that semi blind trust) and Trump team discussing nontraditional ways to handle the press in the White House.
He has pretty much said he is not mandated to divest himself of his business.
I think he will simply allow his children to manage his business. With how diversified he is, expect loads of conflicts of interest issues to arise.
Uh oh! What have they done to upset Trumpski?
I'm waiting for him to go after Teen Vogue
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