The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

[sun_tzu]

Legally, sure. We're not in a court of Law though and I can't speak for @ChaddyP but I was under the impression we were using our own judgement rather than assessing the actual legal trouble of both situations (which is technically none for Trump right now as he's not under investigation for it yet).

As far as own judgement goes, Cohen was Trump's lawyer.

How many Lawyers do you know pay for their client's settlements out of their own pocket? I've got a strong suspicion that Cohen has come out with this because there was a mystery payment of $130,000 out of the Trump Campaign coffers around the same time which would have been completely illegal.

I have a feeling there will be no paper trail anywhere and Cohen / Trump will be just fine

i mean trump was mobbed up in the concrete racket in NYC and managed to get a licence to launder money in atlantic city - he might be a prick but clearly his lawyers must be half decent

 

[Pexbo]

I have a feeling there will be no paper trail anywhere and Cohen / Trump will be just fine

i mean trump was mobbed up in the concrete racket in NYC and managed to get a licence to launder money in atlantic city - he might be a prick but clearly his lawyers must be half decent

If it definitely did come from Trump Campaign funds, there has to be a paper trail. Either an investigation follows the money trail right to Daniels or the Trump Campaign has to account for $130k disappearing off their books.

You can't clean money like that. It's not like it's through dodgy shell companies abroad or bags of cash. It's the official accounts of a Presidential Candidate.

 

[afrocentricity]

@sun_tzu did this presidency push you over the edge or were you always a cynical feck?

 

[sun_tzu]

@sun_tzu did this presidency push you over the edge or were you always a cynical feck?

always - trump just proves i was right to be
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910

 

[ChaddyP]

Technically so far
Trump did not give hush money - this was given by cohen and he has stated trump was unaware and has not reimbursed him
Trump did not get Cohen to create an illegal LLC - technically its not yet proved illegal but Cohen has said he acted without the knowledge of trump or the company
so technically Trump has so far done noting illegal (or at least cant be proven to)
Clinton did provably lie under oath
So at the moment id still sat monica was waaayyy worse and has left a far bigger stain on bill (so to speak) than stormy has left on DD

If cohen changes his story it may well turn out worse for trump but for now I dont think its a major issue and he will nodoubt tweet up a shit storm about something else (NK nukes for example)

Well if Cohen sticks to his story he most likely will be diss barred and jailed for creating an illegal llc and unable to be pardoned. Also I am pretty sure if this actually gets traction the FBI will be able to prove that Trump knew about this by just following the money. If investigation journalists can get us this far without power of subpoena. Imagine the FBI. Its blatantly obvious that Trump knew about this NDA. If he lies and says he doesn't then well you can look to some huge ramifications either way

 

[ChaddyP]

I have a feeling there will be no paper trail anywhere and Cohen / Trump will be just fine

i mean trump was mobbed up in the concrete racket in NYC and managed to get a licence to launder money in atlantic city - he might be a prick but clearly his lawyers must be half decent

There's definitely a paper trail . All one would need is to subpoena the records of shell company that we already know the name for and follow the accounts There after

 

[langster]

 

[sun_tzu]

There's definitely a paper trail . All one would need is to subpoena the records of shell company that we already know the name for and follow the accounts There after

why - perhaps he went to atlantic city and won $150k - perhaps there is just a verbal agreement trump will pay him tenfold when he is out of office... perhaps putin had some of his guys drop off the account varification details for a swizz deposit box with a load of gold in it... its far from certain their is a provable paper trail

 

[Pexbo]

why - perhaps he went to atlantic city and won $150k - perhaps there is just a verbal agreement trump will pay him tenfold when he is out of office... perhaps putin had some of his guys drop off the account varification details for a swizz deposit box with a load of gold in it... its far from certain their is a provable paper trail

All of those things either leave a paper trail or would be a huge red flag for the IRS. If you can't explain where $130,000 came from, you're not allowed to keep it. It's pretty simple stuff.

 

[SirAF]

My educated guess: Not until democrats manage to get the majority in either senate or the house. Even then i'm not quite sure it would.

 

[ChaddyP]

why - perhaps he went to atlantic city and won $150k - perhaps there is just a verbal agreement trump will pay him tenfold when he is out of office... perhaps putin had some of his guys drop off the account varification details for a swizz deposit box with a load of gold in it... its far from certain their is a provable paper trail

Im not so huge on this interms of knowledge so maybe you can help me out. They say that "Cohen established Essential Consultants LLC on October 17, 2016, then sent the payment to Clifford through a bank account linked to the company. He used a pseudonym for Clifford, calling her Peggy Peterson. " which bank account was this. Cowen said he paid out his own money so im going assume its his? If its his hes fecked any many ways , ways in which he cant be pardoned.


So when trump goes to pay cohen now you say cowen can say he won it at the casino? wouldnt that bring in the irs and a bunch of other red flags? wouldnt trump him self now have to create a shell company to pay him which would continue the paper trail? the problem for Cowen is we know the name of the shell comapany and its very easy to follow back payments. If it were that easy to hand someone 130k us they would have done that with Clifford and not bother with the whole LLC creation 11 days before the election. There's always a paper trail

 

[ChaddyP]

All of those things either leave a paper trail or would be a huge red flag for the IRS. If you can't explain where $130,000 came from, you're not allowed to keep it. It's pretty simple stuff.

precisely. theres always a paper trail. If not then their is the IRS. Washing money is not exactly easy stuff.

 

[Il Prete Rosso]

Technically so far
Trump did not give hush money - this was given by cohen and he has stated trump was unaware and has not reimbursed him
Trump did not get Cohen to create an illegal LLC - technically its not yet proved illegal but Cohen has said he acted without the knowledge of trump or the company
so technically Trump has so far done noting illegal (or at least cant be proven to)
Clinton did provably lie under oath
So at the moment id still sat monica was waaayyy worse and has left a far bigger stain on bill (so to speak) than stormy has left on DD

If cohen changes his story it may well turn out worse for trump but for now I dont think its a major issue and he will nodoubt tweet up a shit storm about something else (NK nukes for example)

It's kinda insulting to most people's intelligence to believe this. It's kinda hard to actually believe that Cohen did all this without Trump's knowledge. It's also hard to believe that he took $130k out of this own pocket to cover up something for his client...without actually telling the client. Plausible deniability probably but given how Trump runs his businesses, I rather doubt he was in the dark about this.

 

[sun_tzu]

Well if Cohen sticks to his story he most likely will be diss barred and jailed for creating an illegal llc and unable to be pardoned. Also I am pretty sure if this actually gets traction the FBI will be able to prove that Trump knew about this by just following the money. If investigation journalists can get us this far without power of subpoena. Imagine the FBI. Its blatantly obvious that Trump knew about this NDA. If he lies and says he doesn't then well you can look to some huge ramifications either way

I fully suspect an out of court settlement

It's kinda insulting to most people's intelligence to believe this. It's kinda hard to actually believe that Cohen did all this without Trump's knowledge. It's also hard to believe that he took $130k out of this own pocket to cover up something for his client...without actually telling the client. Plausible deniability probably but given how Trump runs his businesses, I rather doubt he was in the dark about this.

Of course but without proof he will just dismiss it as fake media and his base will go along with it

 

[langster]

Have you all missed that Sarah Huckabee said yesterday that Trump had already won the arbitration battle with Stormy Daniels?

She's basically admitted Trump had the affair because if he didn't then there would have been no need for arbitration at all.

 

[Dan]

Have you all missed that Sarah Huckabee said yesterday that Trump had already won the arbitration battle with Stormy Daniels?

She's basically admitted Trump had the affair because if he didn't then there would have been no need for arbitration at all.

 

[Maagge]

Another one bites the dust.

 

[ChaddyP]

I fully suspect an out of court settlement

with who Cliford because that horse has already left the stable with the legal trap shes set up.

or one fo the district attourneys that would love a piece of this like say .... the south district attourney of new york? Seems to me that the only thing he could settle with is damaging information on trump. thats what i would want as a DA, because this is pretty open and shut case.

 

[ChaddyP]

Have you all missed that Sarah Huckabee said yesterday that Trump had already won the arbitration battle with Stormy Daniels?

She's basically admitted Trump had the affair because if he didn't then there would have been no need for arbitration at all.

no we havent missed it . Have you missed the fact that Clifford's lawyer says that what sanders says is non sense like trump winning the popular vote, and all he really "won" was a short term restraining order till the really DD stands up.

 

[Neelu]

Time for a new press secretary.

 

[sun_tzu]

Time for a new press secretary.

Bring back Sean spicer

 

[Drifter]

Only so much the God fearing Huckabee can spin. Confessions must be an all day affair

 

[Fully Fledged]

technically is pretty important legally speaking though

so far the only presidents impeached are

Andrew Johnson in 1868
and Clinton in 1998

I dont see this going that far for Trump (though russia or some other dodgy deal might)

I think the only way he will walk is if it keeps his kids out of jail. Mueller needs to get airtight State level cases against Trump's kids if we want rid of Trump.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Have you all missed that Sarah Huckabee said yesterday that Trump had already won the arbitration battle with Stormy Daniels?

She's basically admitted Trump had the affair because if he didn't then there would have been no need for arbitration at all.

I saw it.

 

[::sonny::]

This tariffs stuff can really destroy us economy

 

[ChaddyP]

Any way back to Trump and Storming Daniels

 

[ChaddyP]

This tariffs stuff can really destroy us economy

Yeh but it "may" help the steel industry that lost all the jobs from automation . So Trump is cool with it

 

[Redplane]

I'm just imagining daddy Huckabee frantically calling Donnie to convince him to keep her on otherwise he might say some bad things about him on the State TV channel.

 

[Organic Potatoes]

This tariffs stuff can really destroy us economy

Changes on tariffs were always coming down the pipe once Ryan got his tax plan through. It was part and parcel of the idea. But Donald (shockingly) fecked the end game all up because he got irritated and impatient.

And in the end fecked over Ryan along with his adversaries and everyone else. Again, shockingly...

 

[Carolina Red]

I'm just imagining daddy Huckabee frantically calling Donnie to convince him to keep her on otherwise he might say some bad things about him on the State TV channel.

What’s so funny about it is that Sarah probably thought she was doing right by Trump because she said he won.

 

[Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87]

This tariffs stuff can really destroy us economy

That's what happens when you don't regulate globalization. Pricks like Trump thinks all you need are some tariffs.

 

[Raoul]

 

[sglowrider]

What’s so funny about it is that Sarah probably thought she was doing right by Trump because she said he won.

It must be near impossible to say anything 'correct' now that trump's logic & 'principles' are so twisted up like a pretzel.

 

[sglowrider]

Only so much the God fearing Huckabee can spin. Confessions must be an all day affair

Its a strange association. Sara Huckerbee and porn. You would never in our lifetime have seen these two words being in the same sentence.

 

[SteveJ]

Trump reacts to Daniels' sex photos smear:

Donald Trump announces 'largest ever' package

 

[Carolina Red]

Just saw on the news that my favorite brewery (Oskar Blues) is going to be heavily affected by this aluminum tariff (they only sell cans).

That fecking cnut needs to figure this the feck out!

 

[Organic Potatoes]

Just saw on the news that my favorite brewery (Oskar Blues) is going to be heavily affected by this aluminum tariff (they only sell cans).

That fecking cnut needs to figure this the feck out!

Old Chub and Dale’s Pale Ale is going up in price? I mean, I’ve never rioted... but that’d drive me to the brink.

 

[Carolina Red]

Dale’s Pale Ale is going up in price? I mean, I’ve never rioted... but that’d drive me to the brink.

They’re saying it might man.

Dale’s, Blue IPA, and Pinner are staples in my house. I’ll flip shit.

 

[Redplane]

Just saw on the news that my favorite brewery (Oskar Blues) is going to be heavily affected by this aluminum tariff (they only sell cans).

That fecking cnut needs to figure this the feck out!

Wouldn't that means tons of breweries would be affected? I agree with Organic Potatoes in that case - that's worth a riot. No one touches another man's beer.

 

[Carolina Red]

Wouldn't that means tons of breweries would be affected? I agree with Organic Potatoes in that case - that's worth a riot. No one touches another man's beer.

Probably will man. And you KNOW Trumpites love their damn Bud Light.

It’s just Oskar Blues ONLY does cans. They’ve never bottled.