Even if she doesn't change the results, I think it will be a good thing for the sake of Democracy to get a 2nd count in the very close states, including NH and NV.
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Even if she doesn't change the results, I think it will be a good thing for the sake of Democracy to get a 2nd count in the very close states, including NH and NV.
I didn't think those two were on her list? I thought it was just Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania? Still, the most interesting one to me is Florida, just because of her huge lead in the early votes and the article I read was quite convincing on the mathematical probability of the votes percentages and the likelihood of her losing such an early lead. It wasn't your usual conspiracy theory rambling, it was actually pretty plausible and even the author admitted he didn't think it was rigged, just unbelievably unlikely. Also, as I said a couple of times, the Russian interference AND their history of hacking voting machines, I honestly don't think that can be discounted either.
Just to lighten the mood a little, a great piece about some of the awful CNN coverage at the moment.
This recount business is really self serving and pathetic. The 2000 recount started with a ~ 1.5k vote lead for W. After recount efforts exclusively in Dem heavy counties, all sources have W still winning by ~ 250 votes under the method the Gore campaign asked for (no inclusion of overvotes). Pennsylvania won't be off by 68k, Florida won't be off by 180k. As long as those two stand, he has 280 locked on.
Every slightly left person should disassociate himself from this stupidity. It's a Hail Mary that distracts from the real issues with the election, namely Russian/FBI intervention and the archaic institution named Electoral College.
Every slightly left person should disassociate himself from this stupidity. It's a Hail Mary that distracts from the real issues with the election, namely Russian/FBI intervention and the archaic institution named Electoral College.
Some interesting stuff about the President Elect and his ties to Russia. Definitely strange goings on for sure.
Very naive there buddy.
Great argument.
I didn't think those two were on her list? I thought it was just Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania? Still, the most interesting one to me is Florida, just because of her huge lead in the early votes and the article I read was quite convincing on the mathematical probability of the votes percentages and the likelihood of her losing such an early lead. It wasn't your usual conspiracy theory rambling, it was actually pretty plausible and even the author admitted he didn't think it was rigged, just unbelievably unlikely. Also, as I said a couple of times, the Russian interference AND their history of hacking voting machines, I honestly don't think that can be discounted either.
Just to lighten the mood a little, a great piece about some of the awful CNN coverage at the moment.
I'm looking forward to the weekly SNLs of Baldwin mocking everything Trump did during the week. Its going to be a long 4 years for Donald.
That it is. He's not enjoying it as much as he thought he would either.....
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/trumps-team-of-rivals-fighting-spills-into-public-231841
This will continue to plague him until the inauguration.
Actually I'm curious: where is the money "lost"? Money in wartime is spent on fuel, ammunition, soldier salaries, and weapon systems. Fuel payments may end up in other countries, but all spending on ammunition and weapons goes to US corporations and salaries go back to the US economy.
The money that is lost from the US economy is fuel and part of the reconstruction money.
It's quite easy to see that the aid to Israel is a jobs program too: 6bn dollars, out of which 3bn must be spent on US manufactured defence equipment. It's basically the US govt giving taxpayer money to US corps, part of which creates high-paying manufacturing jobs.
The money isn't lost, it's merely redistributed.
Well yes, redistributed from the US tax system to other countries and third country nationals is tantamount to the money being lost. 2 Trillion is a lot of money that could be spent on things like infrastructure, health care, middle class tax cuts etc.
No, my point is that a good part of the money stays within the US system, it just moves from public to private hands. In theory there's no reason war by a superpower should be economically draining. Yes, you can say that it would be better spent by the govt on other things (guns v butter) but war spending isn't necessarily a bad stimulus either.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that there are sound reasons to go to war. A lot of politically-connected companies do benefit. It guarantees high-end manufacturing jobs. There will be a small boost to employment just by army recruitment too. If spending is going to be for war, it is tough for the opposition party to block it, as compared to social spending. It creates an us v them mentality, bolsters the image of the president, and unites most people.
A lot of the money goes to foreign companies and thus never gets back into the US economy. For example, tasks like security, sanitation services, translators, food services etc are all typically subcontracted out to locals and third country nationals like Indians, Peruvians, Ugandans, Nepalese etc
That's interesting, and a missed opportunity for the sole superpower IMO.
I can't believe people let this buffoon be voted in.
Why do people have such a hard time dealing with this? It's a recount, just crack on and and get it cleared up. It's not a distraction... The only people that should be overly bothered are people who think their candidate unfairly won... Otherwise what's the big deal?
Wtf?
By that "logic", if the government paid for a Ford Mustang (made in America) to be given to each adult citizen, the money would "stay in the system" and everyone is happy, right? Good enough for you?
Now imagine that this same government pays so that each of those Ford Mustangs is flown across half of the globe and be dropped in the middle of Pacific Ocean! Do you still think that this is "logical"?
Now substitute Bombs for Ford Mustangs... except (of course!) that each bomb is actually much more expensive than a car.
Logical???
ffs. Clicked that. Saw his banner image and it just hit me. Donald Trump from the Apprentice is the president of the United States. How did this happen?
It really is one of those "truth is stranger than fiction" bits.
So, a Creationist who is in favour of private and religious schools instead of the public ones, has been chosen as Secretary of Education. This is getting better and better.
Which means nothing other than huge amounts of money moving from the hands of the many into the hands of a few. So while it technically stays within the system, it is a redistribution of wealth within said system, with a majority of the society paying the bill for the few profiteers of the MIC.
Using these ressources for infrastructure projects, just as an example, would benefit your national economy to a far greater degree
I wonder if we could have paid for single payer healthcare and free college tuition with the Iraq War budget?
the people who gain and the people who pay for these wars are very different people.
err he won an election mate....ffs. Clicked that. Saw his banner image and it just hit me. Donald Trump from the Apprentice is the president of the United States. How did this happen?
It really is one of those "truth is stranger than fiction" bits.
Subtle as a hammer
Has Trump claimed the credit yet ?
No, but Rooney got the assist though.
Well it's true isn't it?
Obama, look at the time stamp.
He feasibly could, Castro was probably ready to die comfortably knowing his arch-Nemesis the US had now comfortably fecked itself for the future.
I miss diplomacy. And thought.
Its getting to the point where the national polls were more or less correct.
I don't really get the obsession with the popular vote count. We know he lost it, by a reasonably small margin. That's enough to negate the legitimacy of his mandate. Why are the particular numbers relevant?
Why carry on this charade though? Its unimportant unless it forces a change in the result which surely isn't going to happen, is it?
Well they are actually still counting votes so obviously the updated results are going to get published.
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