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cyberman said:
Maybe the 'Enlightened' should let it go?
The reason Trump won is because of Clinton apathy, her voters didn't come out for her.
Too late now. This is all your fault you idiots.
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I don't think the Clinton apathy is really true.

Not everyone simply didn't vote because they didn't care.There are voters that were historically democratic voters but simply couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary.Some then chose to not vote,while some voted for smaller independent parties.I think she miscalculated how unpopular she was too.
 
K2K said:
You are still in the denial.stage then.

It's done.Never going to happen.
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I actually initially thought that the smiley made it somewhat clear that I wasn't exactly dead serious.

Would be funny though.
 
K2K said:
I don't think the Clinton apathy is really true.

Not everyone simply didn't vote because they didn't care.There are voters that were historically democratic voters but simply couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary.Some then chose to not vote,while some voted for smaller independent parties.I think she miscalculated how unpopular she was too.
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K2K said:
I don't think the Clinton apathy is really true.

Not everyone simply didn't vote because they didn't care.There are voters that were historically democratic voters but simply couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary.Some then chose to not vote,while some voted for smaller independent parties.I think she miscalculated how unpopular she was too.
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She and the entire DNC have noone but themselves to blame.
 
Don't mean to be alarmist … but we're all gonna fecking die!

Trump’s climate denial is just one of the forces that point towards war
George Monbiot
The Guardian : Wednesday 23 November 2016 06.30 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/donald-trump-climate-change-war

Actually it's an extremely well written thought-provoking article.

If anyone is interested in where the "thinkers" have us heading I'd recommend reading the essay mentioned in the article about the "populist" movement that triggered much of this years' political upheaval.

Can be found here:
Paul Arbair (a bear gettit?)
#Brexit, the populist surge and the crisis of complexity
https://paularbair.wordpress.com/2016/07/05/brexit-the-populist-surge-and-the-crisis-of-complexity/
 
langster said:
Oh I agree, but that tweet was just depressing. I've seen some bullshit on the internet in my time, but that's probably as low as it can get. Tweeting that in reply to a fecking fire department who were just updating people about a tragic accident. Just very, very sad :(
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People are khunts. They need to be taught a violent and hard lesson, I don't care how that sounds
 
SqueakyWeasel said:
Don't mean to be alarmist … but we're all gonna fecking die!

Trump’s climate denial is just one of the forces that point towards war
George Monbiot
The Guardian : Wednesday 23 November 2016 06.30 GMT

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/23/donald-trump-climate-change-war

Actually it's an extremely well written thought-provoking article.

If anyone is interested in where the "thinkers" have us heading I'd recommend reading the essay mentioned in the article about the "populist" movement that triggered much of this years' political upheaval.

Can be found here:
Paul Arbair (a bear gettit?)
#Brexit, the populist surge and the crisis of complexity
https://paularbair.wordpress.com/2016/07/05/brexit-the-populist-surge-and-the-crisis-of-complexity/
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Good stuff, both pieces well worth reading. The second one especially.
 
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Is it just me or has Jill Stein mislead people?

Yesterday when i looked on the fundraising page they said they needed 2.5 million for the recounts to happen in the 3 states (Now turns out the 2.5 million was only for the Wisconsin recount.)

It should have been noted then that the goal does not include the legal fees.

Only after they raised the majority of the money, they added this to the website

Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:

  • Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
  • Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28
  • Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30
Those are filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.
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Only after 1.7 million was raised, did they add the bit about Wisconsin.

We need to raise over $2 million by this Friday, 4pm central just to make it in Wisconsin.
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langster said:


Just when you thought the President couldn't get any lower or tackier. I think I'm going to cry now.
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And a few working class families will lap up the ornament while little Johnny and Jane miss another meal, or get a free meal voucher at the school. You know the kinda stuff his supporting base blame minorities and liberals for getting free stuff.
 
K2K said:
I don't think the Clinton apathy is really true.

Not everyone simply didn't vote because they didn't care.There are voters that were historically democratic voters but simply couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary.Some then chose to not vote,while some voted for smaller independent parties.I think she miscalculated how unpopular she was too.
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Blame the DNC on choice not necessarily Hillary. But even with a Biden or Sanders having won the GE there would be massive gridlock for two years as Congress would oppose just about any liberal/progressive approach and the POTUS would veto numerous conservative/regressive nonsense. It would still be a better situation that the current outlook.
 
I suspect this thread will be the longest thread in the Caf unless we do it like footie -- by the season/year of rule under Trump ie Trump Year One (2017-2018).

He will be entertaining, at the same time discombobulating with lots of face palms.
 
MrMarcello said:
Blame the DNC on choice not necessarily Hillary. But even with a Biden or Sanders having won the GE there would be massive gridlock for two years as Congress would oppose just about any liberal/progressive approach and the POTUS would veto numerous conservative/regressive nonsense. It would still be a better situation that the current outlook.
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Didn't Hillary and the DNC collude to give her advantages wherever possible?
The posture of neutrality in the Democratic primary was nothing but a hollow pretense and after she resigned in disgrace, Hillary hired her one day after.

They are both to blame for this.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Is it just me or has Jill Stein mislead people?

Yesterday when i looked on the fundraising page they said they needed 2.5 million for the recounts to happen in the 3 states (Now turns out the 2.5 million was only for the Wisconsin recount.)

It should have been noted then that the goal does not include the legal fees.

Only after they raised the majority of the money, they added this to the website



Only after 1.7 million was raised, did they add the bit about Wisconsin.
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Yes, that's incredibly douchey. It was already taking money from people using false hope, adding deceit on top of that takes the cake.
 
Fergies Gum said:
Is it just me or has Jill Stein mislead people?

Yesterday when i looked on the fundraising page they said they needed 2.5 million for the recounts to happen in the 3 states (Now turns out the 2.5 million was only for the Wisconsin recount.)

It should have been noted then that the goal does not include the legal fees.

Only after they raised the majority of the money, they added this to the website



Only after 1.7 million was raised, did they add the bit about Wisconsin.
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Both Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are idiots. They only gained any traction because the other options were so awful.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
People are khunts. They need to be taught a violent and hard lesson, I don't care how that sounds
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I would love if Anonymous was on the taxpayers payroll so they could clean up the Internet somewhat. It's comments like those that really piss me off and the people that make them should be ousted to their communities. We can all bitch, moan, be dumb or be constructive in public or on social media but the discourse since Trump gained steam is unacceptable.

What we have seen since Brexit and Trump is that one third of humankind in the western world are ignorant dumb fecks with no consideration for anyone including their male and female family members, one third are smart intelligent people with a proper grasp of reality and one third just don't give a feck either way.

It's time we started taking elections seriously, treat it like we have only been given the right to vote yesterday. Trump energized the dumbfecks who have never voted in their life and think Obama was in office during 911 or he created ISIS with Hillary to add to her body count of 49 people. Clinton failed to energize the 49% who have exercised their civil duties in previous cycles and knew Trump was wrong for this country but stubbornly said feck it nothing will change.

They will be in for a sharp shock like that black dude in the Mary jane store in Colorado who told the reporter that he is voting for Johnson because he is exactly like Bernie, enjoy KKK Sessions swatting you're legal weed store and ruining you're life over a quarter ounce. Or the mother of four in Wisconsin who voted for Stein and when pressed by a reporter could not even name her running mate, enjoy Father Pence forcing through legislation that will make you're vagina his property while advocating laws that will make the life of that really nice gay guy you work with a living hell.

To all the military families who cast a vote for Trump. When you're loved ones are deployed to the Middle East to fight for Russia's interests when Trump drops 100,000 boots on the ground be prepared for a level of medieval slaughter that will happen to US soldiers who have been captured and our president advocating for the same to our captives.

Everything we have built up since WW2 is under threat due to Right wing conservative control of our countries. There will be no progression under these people and the lives of all our loved ones are in jeopardy whether it be war or the greed for more profit.
 
K2K said:
That counts for absolutely nothing at the end of the day.

She knew the Electoral rules before the elections, and failed to win the votes in the the right states that would allow her to become president.
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Childish argument. Cannot think of any other politician in recent times who can been as unlucky as her.
 
K2K said:
That counts for absolutely nothing at the end of the day.

She knew the Electoral rules before the elections, and failed to win the votes in the the right states that would allow her to become president.
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And there is the problem, we have a system that nullifies you're constitutional right just because of where you live. Do the people in red states realize that their communities are in this situation due to them electing republicans for the last few decades. Surely it's time for them to open their eyes to the fact that this country does so much worse in everything under republicans and the reason why there is no leap forward under Dems is because they have to clean up the shit left for them by republicans.
I'm sorry that a voters life is shit in Omaha but why should you're vote be more important in a national election than the voter in Harlem or Oakland. We all have our problems but you're lack of knowledge and awareness has just made all of our lives a living nightmare.
 
MrMarcello said:
And a few working class families will lap up the ornament while little Johnny and Jane miss another meal, or get a free meal voucher at the school. You know the kinda stuff his supporting base blame minorities and liberals for getting free stuff.
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They should really be putting that cash under a mattress, Paul Ryan's Medicare plan will only give them a few thousand for their private health care plan and when those thousands are spent, you are on you're own. Gullible mofos
 
entropy said:
Childish argument. Cannot think of any other politician in recent times who can been as unlucky as her.
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She got a gimme in Trump as the opponent and could not convert. Whatever the factors she would go down as one of the worst candidates of all time, historic only in the sense that she was the first woman to be nominated.
 
crappycraperson said:
She got a gimme in Trump as the opponent and could not convert. Whatever the factors she would go down as one of the worst candidates of all time, historic only in the sense that she was the first woman to be nominated.
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Naive argument. You're forgetting that she won the majority vote by almost 2 million. Most people did vote for her. She was unlucky on several issues. Like with the timing of the FBI leak just before elections.
 
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GiddyUp said:
And there is the problem, we have a system that nullifies you're constitutional right just because of where you live. Do the people in red states realize that their communities are in this situation due to them electing republicans for the last few decades. Surely it's time for them to open their eyes to the fact that this country does so much worse in everything under republicans and the reason why there is no leap forward under Dems is because they have to clean up the shit left for them by republicans.
I'm sorry that a voters life is shit in Omaha but why should you're vote be more important in a national election than the voter in Harlem or Oakland. We all have our problems but you're lack of knowledge and awareness has just made all of our lives a living nightmare.
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But that is an entirely separate argument all together. I dont really want to enter into that one.

Both participants knew the rules beforehand.She lost fair and square as per the rules of the election.
 
entropy said:
Naive argument. You're forgetting that she won the majority vote by almost 2 million. Most people did vote for her. She was unlucky on several issues. Like with the timing of the FBI leak just before elections.
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She wasn't unlucky in that she ignored Wisconsin and didn't tailor her message to blue collar white voters enough to win there, in Michigan and PA. Running up the vote totals in places like CA and NY means feck all.
 
entropy said:
Naive argument. You're forgetting that she won the majority vote by almost 2 million. Most people did vote for her. She was unlucky on several issues. Like with the timing of the FBI leak just before elections.
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If you win the popular vote by that much but still fail to win the presidency then it isn't bad luck, it's a bad campaign. Both sides know that the EC is what matters and gear their campaign with that in mind. Clinton obviously didn't target the right areas well enough.
 
K2K said:
But that is an entirely separate argument all together. I dont really want to enter into that one.

Both participants knew the rules beforehand.She lost fair and square as per the rules of the election.
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Fair and square yes but doesn't the extra two million votes not piss you off, that's a lot of fecking people who's vote doesn't really count.
 
GiddyUp said:
Fair and square yes but doesn't the extra two million votes not piss you off, that's a lot of fecking people who's vote doesn't really count.
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Her campaign completely screwed up. The Wednesday before election day, Hillary was in Arizona, as was Kaine on another day, and Bernie on yet another. They obviously had internal numbers that AZ was in play, but in the process completely opened up their blue wall flank to Trump. He actually campaigned in both WI and MI late on and it paid off for him. He just won MI last night by a mere 10k votes. Had she gone to both states to reinforce her blue wall, she may have won. Instead she opted to come to AZ and then go to places like OH to have elites like Beyonce, Jay-Z, Springsteen, and Bon Jovi attempt to carry her over the finish line. Not the best strategy when you're dealing with a populist electorate.
 
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