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Carolina Red said:
Eisenhower got us into Vietnam during the French Indochina War.

McNamara talks about Kennedy's withdrawal plan in his memoirs.

It's at least refreshing to talk about a rational person in the White House
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McNamara's disagreement with Johnson over Vietnam strategy is well known. Having a martyr like JFK behind his opinion would certainly help his image. Bobby K gave the opposite account and he wasnt exactly fond of LBJ either.

If you want to source the war to Eisenhower then we can even go futher than that, Truman refused a telegram from Ho Chi Minh asking for recognition and allowed the occupation of Allied forces, which precipitated the re-involvement of the French. The one who ramped up military involvement and made it a mission to showcase his worth as CoC was Kennedy.

I'm not saying Kennedy was an evil man, he wasn't. But as with the Cuban missile crisis, there are now facts that we know about the shady things his administration did, like any other, that has been obscured for the sake of his myth. He was a grey character influenced by the predominant Western ideology of his time, and bears a big part of the blame for a 20 years war that left 5 millions Vietnamese maimed, born deformed and dead, alongside more than 50 thousand US military service members.
 
When you two history nerds have quite finished. If you want to talk about blaming violence and war on people then look no further than all the bloody, dirty immigrants that first settled in the USA. It's obviously all their fault. No immigrants = no war. (can't do white text on my phone dagnammit!)
 
Dan said:
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For fecks sake, he's a madman! Nobody can believe that, surely? That is just a ridiculously thinly veiled threat towards Kim and North Korea. This man is deciding the history of the world using a fecking social media website! 140 Characters deciding the fate of 8 billion people. Kim wants to destroy the USA and Trump wants to destroy North Korea, these two completely unhinged lunatics are threatening the entire world right now and I estimate 99.9% of people want absolutely feck all to do with any of it. Someone has to step in before this gets seriously out of hand. Threatening thermonuclear war via a phone app is seriously taking the piss.
 
Aside from the whole 'using twitter to start a nuclear war' angle, anyone that thinks the US nuclear capability has changed with any significance in just 6 months is a fecking imbecile.
 
Sadly 'just as powerful as before' would do just fine. At lease he went on to say he hoped to never have to use it

 
Does anyone who understands how Twitter works know if everyone sees the same replies to any one tweet? Because every single Trump tweet seems to be met with a bunch of replies ripping the almighty piss out of him. Does he see those replies? Or do the algorithms create an echo chamber where he sees a different bunch of replies to the rest of us?
 
My Trump-supporting father thinks this is great, says it's great to finally see someone with the balls to start undoing the mess that Clinton started with N Korea in the 90s. Says he expects Kim to either back down or be gone soon enough.
 
2cents said:
My Trump-supporting father thinks this is great, says it's great to finally see someone with the balls to start undoing the mess that Clinton started with N Korea in the 90s. Says he expects Kim to either back down or be gone soon enough.
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If Trump somehow gets rid of Kim we will never hear the end of it.
 
Raoul said:
If Trump somehow gets rid of Kim we will never hear the end of it.
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I was just thinking exactly the same thing. I also wondered if these two feckwits are in cahoots :lol:

Also, I would like apologies from all the people who said I was overreacting and being a drama queen over Trump's election win. If anything he's made my predictions look tame compared to his first 6 months in charge. The threat of nuclear war has come far sooner than I thought too, I think I said a year. :lol:
 
Carolina Red said:
60 days

@InfiniteBoredom - it's the War Powers Resolution

The President can unilaterally enter into undeclared war via his authority as Commander in Chief. Believe it or not, this was created after Vietnam as a way to limit the president's war making power.
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In which case war is inevitable with Trump at the helm:

1. It distracts from Russia
2. He'll almost certainly make loads of money in arms shares.
3. His base love 'USA kicking ass'
4. He's a sociopathic bully

The only question is 'how big will the war be and with who'.
 
roseguy64 said:
Interesting the change in his mental capacity since then. He still had no clue what he was talking about but he made it sound better and actually formed coherent sentences.
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Yeah it really is striking. He's still talking nonsense but it's strange to see him speak so coherently. It's amazing to think people believed someone with limited and clearly declining mental faculties was the ideal person to put in this position.
 
2cents said:
My Trump-supporting father thinks this is great, says it's great to finally see someone with the balls to start undoing the mess that Clinton started with N Korea in the 90s. Says he expects Kim to either back down or be gone soon enough.
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You should remind him of the consequences:
 
Raoul said:
If Trump somehow gets rid of Kim we will never hear the end of it.
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but that would be a good thing surely

if he somehow manages to get rid of him. So might be worth it even if it means putting up with Trump gloating
 
Neutral said:


A hyper power ffs
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I suspect they measure each applicant's finger length before accepting them for any jobs at the Trump WH.

Only short finger, men can apply.

They have the highest concentration of buffoons and highly insecure men on the planet.
 
Kentonio said:
We're not just a hyper power damnit! We're a Super Hyper Bestest Power, like nothing this world or any of those other commie worlds have ever seen!!
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Cant help but think back to this book

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Also I think hyper power was originally a term given to the USA late 90's - post the collapse of the 2 superpower state so yeah from that point of view USA has been a hyper power for 20 years or so - probably right now less so that an any point in the last 20 years with the rise of china and the re-militarisation of Russia to be fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpower
 
sun_tzu said:
Also I think hyper power was originally a term given to the USA late 90's - post the collapse of the 2 superpower state so yeah from that point of view USA has been a hyper power for 20 years or so - probably right now less so that an any point in the last 20 years with the rise of china and the re-militarisation of Russia to be fair.
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Yeah, with China on the brink, Russia rapidly rising again and the likes of India growing stronger and stronger, I'm assuming the hyperpower stuff is an attempt at self-aggrandization in the face of ever slipping power.
 
Randall Flagg said:
but that would be a good thing surely
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I dunno - how about if he nukes pyongyang and kills a couple of million civilions there, another few million die of starvation whilst the whole clusterfek sorts its self out and a few million more in south korea due from the fallout plus seoul is practically flattened... followed by a big pissing contest as russia, china and the usa all try and put their troops in there and hey who knows perhaps we even get a full blown billion person casualty ww3 scenario ... still a good thing? - still worth it... still want to hear trump banging on twitter (if we still have an ineternet at the end of it all) about how he won and it was all hillarlys faut?
 
sun_tzu said:
I dunno - how about if he nukes pyongyang and kills a couple of million civilions there, another few million die of starvation whilst the whole clusterfek sorts its self out and a few million more in south korea due from the fallout plus seoul is practically flattened... followed by a big pissing contest as russia, china and the usa all try and put their troops in there and hey who knows perhaps we even get a full blown billion person casualty ww3 scenario ... still a good thing? - still worth it... still want to hear trump banging on twitter (if we still have an ineternet at the end of it all) about how he won and it was all hillarlys faut?
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NK has been coming to a head for quite some time now

Ive no idea what the answers are, but war does seem inevitable
 
Randall Flagg said:
NK has been coming to a head for quite some time now

Ive no idea what the answers are, but war does seem inevitable
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Any war means at least 1 million dead in Seoul, that is the estimated death toll from the initial bombardment from the NK conventional weapons all dug in on the border, permanently manned ready to fire. They can flatten the city in about an hour. If they drop a nuke, even a dirty bomb in a truck, triple that.

Unilateral action from the US would make them a pariah state. If he uses nukes, the fallout would make parts of russia AND china uninhabitable, and probably kill more south koreans than the NKs would.

NK is the only non-landlocked country in the world that borders both russia and china. The strategic value to both countries means they would both have to do something if the US invaded or threatened to install western friendly power.

Either trump nor it seems gorka understand the path they set the world on if they keep pushing for war.
 
@Raoul please move if you feel this deserves a separate thread.

Trump White House weighs unprecedented plan to privatize much of the war in Afghanistan


The White House is actively considering a bold plan to turn over a big chunk of the U.S. war in Afghanistan to private contractors in an effort to turn the tide in a stalemated war, according to the former head of a security firm pushing the project.

Under the proposal, 5,500 private contractors, primarily former Special Operations troops, would advise Afghan combat forces. The plan also includes a 90-plane private air force that would provide air support in the nearly 16-year-old war against Taliban insurgents, Erik Prince, founder of the Blackwater security firm, told USA TODAY.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-house-weighs-bold-plan-privatize/548004001/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...urbing-plan-privatize-afghan-war-gains-ground


Won't let the war die, even if you can't fight it yourself.

How is this a good idea for anyone except the contractors themselves?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
@Raoul please move if you feel this deserves a separate thread.

Trump White House weighs unprecedented plan to privatize much of the war in Afghanistan




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-house-weighs-bold-plan-privatize/548004001/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...urbing-plan-privatize-afghan-war-gains-ground


Won't let the war die, even if you can't fight it yourself.

How is this a good idea for anyone except the contractors themselves?
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That would be Erik Prince, brother of Education secretary Betsy DeVos of course.She and her family paid millions to the trump campaign, now it seems, its time for payback.
 
Randall Flagg said:
NK has been coming to a head for quite some time now

Ive no idea what the answers are, but war does seem inevitable
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The only reason war seems inevitable is because of Trump. Did it seem inevitable when he or his father threatened every other US President of the last 20 or 30 years?

Kim's threats were ignored last year, he said absolutely nothing different yet the media mainly ignored it. Yes his weapon development has advanced, but do you honestly think it's all just happened in the last six months? Not a chance. It's too much of a coincidence. The difference is now Kim sees an opening because the USA is in political turmoil and is also falling out with Russia and China and pretty much everyone else too. The worlds press is treating him like the imbecile he is and it has massively undermined the USA's power on the world stage.

Trump threatening nuclear war on Twitter will do nothing but make him seem more unhinged and out of control. He can't even send a diplomat over for talks because there isn't even a nomination waiting for the South East Asian job.

Kim has seen an opening and he is taking it and running with it with both hands. The world needs to step up together and fill the gap left by having Trump in charge of the USA.
 
Randall Flagg said:
maybe, but I dont see Kim negotiating full stop
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Given that it's their raison d'etre, I don't see why he wouldn't.

He's a fat kid who was taught by his father to saber rattle to keep the family in power. If that power is ensured, what's the point of playing games? It's not like the US can willy nilly invade NK even without the nukes anyway.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
@Raoul please move if you feel this deserves a separate thread.

Trump White House weighs unprecedented plan to privatize much of the war in Afghanistan




https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-house-weighs-bold-plan-privatize/548004001/

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...urbing-plan-privatize-afghan-war-gains-ground


Won't let the war die, even if you can't fight it yourself.

How is this a good idea for anyone except the contractors themselves?
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This is a Erik Prince project by way of Bannon. Has no chance of happening as Congress and the JCS won't allow it.
 
Randall Flagg said:
NK has been coming to a head for quite some time now

Ive no idea what the answers are, but war does seem inevitable
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Not really. We've had Pak, Iran etc who have tried nuclear programs (and may have nukes too) and N Korea is just the latest in the list.

Trump's shit stirring to divert attention from domestic issues will be the root cause for the war.
 
langster said:
The only reason war seems inevitable is because of Trump. Did it seem inevitable when he or his father threatened every other US President of the last 20 or 30 years?

Kim's threats were ignored last year, he said absolutely nothing different yet the media mainly ignored it. Yes his weapon development has advanced, but do you honestly think it's all just happened in the last six months? Not a chance. It's too much of a coincidence. The difference is now Kim sees an opening because the USA is in political turmoil and is also falling out with Russia and China and pretty much everyone else too. The worlds press is treating him like the imbecile he is and it has massively undermined the USA's power on the world stage.

Trump threatening nuclear war on Twitter will do nothing but make him seem more unhinged and out of control. He can't even send a diplomat over for talks because there isn't even a nomination waiting for the South East Asian job.

Kim has seen an opening and he is taking it and running with it with both hands. The world needs to step up together and fill the gap left by having Trump in charge of the USA.
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There was a fair bit of back and forth between kim and Obama too. It really has been escalating in recent years

And mainly come to a head now as it coincides with their advancements in weapons. But maybe also they do see now a good time to strike with the Trump and Russia shenanigans

Either way it’s the position they are in, and I don’t see much wrong with the Americans response so far.
 
Yeah Twitter is the best place for global diplomacy and threats of nuclear war between two sociopathic narcissists.

If that's the case just fecking get on with it and finish it all now because that's not a world to be proud of.
 
Neutral said:


A hyper power ffs
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A Hyper Power? Is that like a Hypernova? They've progressed from a Supernova to a Hypernova. Would be an apt description of them actually. A huge explosion, resulting in the total destruction of everything in its path - including themselves, of course - that is initiated by the extreme collapse and implosion of its body.
 
Not sure if posted in here but Gorka is also saying Trump is waiting to comment on an attack on a Mosque as it might be a left wing plot
 
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