The Trump Presidency | Biden Inaugurated

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Drumpf using his sycophant propagandists at Fox to babble his talking points then RT'ing it on his twitter as if the media are praising him.

 
Has to be some incriminating stuff in his tax returns.



I think he was heavily in debt which will be reflected in his tax returns and he is not nearly as rich as he claims to be. Real Estate portfolios have typically taken a huge hit since the recession and even before then he had neither the acumen nor the patience to be a good businessman. This will be reflected in his tax returns and end up a massive dent to his ego and brand.

To go one step further he floated the Republican nomination campaign to secure a conservative TV talk show as well as raise some money in form of campaign contributions. One thing led to another and he suddenly got the nomination with a roadmap to presidency and he started harbouring thoughts of a kleptocracy to enrich himself or the Kushners or both.
 
The thing about pardons is that its basically an admission of guilt where Trump wouldn't be able to continue as President without facing a serious impeachment challenge. The Republicans would have almost no credibility going into 2018 if they continued supporting a lame duck who has pardoned himself and all his lackeys.

Would Mueller still tell us he wanted to indict an associate of Trump if Trump pardons that individual? Would Mueller still continue investigating associates if he knows they've been pardoned?
 
Don't think there would be anything illegal in his tax-returns otherwise the IRS would have done him a long time ago.
However, it think it will point investigators on where to look.

Doesn't have to be illegal. Could just be patterns of his dealings with Russians which Trump has vehemently denied doing business with.
 
I think Trump is worried he will be caught syphoning off campaign contributions and using tax payers money to enrich himself and/or his family. At the very least they will show who he owes all his money to and how deep he is in with the Russians.

Would Mueller still tell us he wanted to indict an associate of Trump if Trump pardons that individual? Would Mueller still continue investigating associates if he knows they've been pardoned?

More to the point is will a pardon from a corrupt/guilty President still stand? If Trump IS implicated in the enquiry and is found to be guilty then I can see the shitstorm ahead already. There will be a huge outcry saying that the pardons shouldn't stand and the guilty should all be prosecuted. The get of jail free card will be called in to question for sure.
 
Would Mueller still tell us he wanted to indict an associate of Trump if Trump pardons that individual? Would Mueller still continue investigating associates if he knows they've been pardoned?

The work would continue irrespective of whether Trump pardons anyone as Mueller's mandate is to issue a comprehensive report to Congress. Obviously if Trump pardons anyone around him it would be an clear sign of guilt and it would in the process impugn Trump as well, which is why its an absolute last option for him.
 
I don't think its very unlikely at all, and even if he hasn't, he's still not immune to all the things he's definitely done after becoming President; specifically obstruction of justice by way of attempting to shut down the Russia investigation by firing Comey, firing Bharara (who was looking into matters Trump didn't want looked at), the Don Jr. meeting with the Russians (which Trump almost certainly knew about given the Hillary oppo information involved), the Kushner data analytics issue where Russian bots targeted swings states with specific information etc etc. There's literally loads of information out there much of which we aren't privvy too because it hasn't been leaked but rest assured Mueller is looking at it.
I think you read too much into political press. I am pretty confident the special counsel will find the facts and action will be taken one way or the other. Your reacting to propaganda and believing it to be fact. It is like believing Clinton is guilty based on a few books, right wing reports, and conservative press.

People are innocent until proven guilty.
 
I think you read too much into political press. I am pretty confident the special counsel will find the facts and action will be taken one way or the other. Your reacting to propaganda and believing it to be fact. It is like believing Clinton is guilty based on a few books, right wing reports, and conservative press.

People are innocent until proven guilty.

Its not Propaganda. It is a broadly accepted fact that the Russians intervened in the election to help Trump. It is also a fact that Trump is being investigated for cooperation with that effort. The so called political press are doing something called journalism, which involves multiple sources divulging information about what is actually happening.

As I see it, Mueller's investigation is currently looking at three lanes of inquiry.

1. Collusion with Russia
2. Financial Crimes
3. Obstruction of Justice

Any one of the three will result in impeachment for Trump and prison time for those around him.
 
Do you think he'll reveal anything from his time working there?

I honestly don't know. I quite liked Spicey to be honest. It's a thankless job and almost impossible having to defend someone who literally lies with every sentence AND who will constantly contradict himself and anyone who quotes him. I admire his spirit and do have some sympathy for him because he at least tried to ingratiate himself with the press whereas someone like Sarah Huckabee always acts like she's disgusted to actually have to speak to the press.

You can tell it's Friday, stories are dropping left, right and centre at the moment, tough to keep up.



And no surprise who Spicey's replacement is.

 
It doesn't matter who Trump chooses to replace Spicer. You can never look good being the spokesman for a professional liar. Scaramucci's credibility will therefore be exactly where Spicer's is now, within 6 months.
 
I honestly don't know. I quite liked Spicey to be honest. It's a thankless job and almost impossible having to defend someone who literally lies with every sentence AND who will constantly contradict himself and anyone who quotes him. I admire his spirit and do have some sympathy for him because he at least tried to ingratiate himself with the press whereas someone like Sarah Huckabee always acts like she's disgusted to actually have to speak to the press.

You can tell it's Friday, stories are dropping left, right and centre at the moment, tough to keep up.



And no surprise who Spicey's replacement is.



He's got a live long and prosper hand greeting going there.
 
He was always a lackey. Nobody would even notice him gone.

And Spicer only got the job because Priebus was his RNC boss and when Trump hired Reince, he brought Sean along. Also, Reince is super close with Ryan, which may affect Ryan's patience of indulging Trump's stupidity in the future.
 
And Spicer only got the job because Priebus was his RNC boss and when Trump hired Reince, he brought Sean along. Also, Reince is super close with Ryan, which may affect Ryan's patience of indulging Trump's stupidity in the future.

Ryan was the GOPs choice for presidency and potentially the only one who can still challenge Trump if the breaks with GOP. Their relationship was marriage of convenience and based in mutual distrust. Being part of Ryan camp not a prime position to be in WH.
 
Spicer is potentially gonna go down as a legendary character in the annals of American political history.
 
Trump fans and the alt right will be changing their tune on Scaramucci once this video goes viral

 
The problem with this stance is it is very unlikely that Trump has done anything wrong. Throwing dirt and suspicion hoping something sticks is a left tactic, not really based on evidence or fact. The fact people in the campaign meet foreign representatives during a campaign is not unusual. Discussing policy when not elected i believe is a big no-no. We hear lots of "Russia published dirt in Clinton to sway voters". The only dirt I recall was from wikileaks. Not seen any other dirt that wasn't already public, like Clinton foundation corruption and email server. How is Russia wanting Trump, any different to Europe, Canada and Central & South America being very vocal for Clinton.
Whether you support or dislike Trump, can't believe people really believe there is a there there.
Theres a lot wrong with your post:

How is it unlikely Trump has done anything wrong? You know nothing just like everybody else in this thread, you are choosing to believe something just like those you are criticising.

Throwing dirt and suspicion is something only the 'left' do? :rolleyes:

Where do you think wikileaks got that data then?

The difference between Russia's attempt to influence vs Europe, Canada and Central & South Americas attempt to influence would be the extent to which they apparently went to do so. Haven't heard much about European hacking or Canadian botnets, have you?

It seems that as unbiased as you may think you are being, you are acting just like everyone else, being influenced just like everyone else, biased just like everyone else. You just happen to be on the over side of the argument.
 
Its not Propaganda. It is a broadly accepted fact that the Russians intervened in the election to help Trump. It is also a fact that Trump is being investigated for cooperation with that effort. The so called political press are doing something called journalism, which involves multiple sources divulging information about what is actually happening.

As I see it, Mueller's investigation is currently looking at three lanes of inquiry.

1. Collusion with Russia
2. Financial Crimes
3. Obstruction of Justice

Any one of the three will result in impeachment for Trump and prison time for those around him.
You are not basing it on fact, you ate basing it on opinion.

I do not know of one person who argues that Russia attempted to interfere with the election by cyber attacks on Government and software vendor systems. Howver, It is widely reported by the security people they did not change voting scores. So attempt, rather than impacted, is probably more accurate.

Russia wanting Trump is also known, so what, just about everyone else wanted Clinton.

There has been no proof that Russia were in bed with Wikileaks. There is no proof that Trump or his campaign coordinated with Wikileaks.

A number of Trump campaign people or surrogates met with Russians. This has caused suspicion, but has not actually been proven to be collusion or cooperating with a foreign entity to impact the election.

So to jump from a I hate the guy, to he is guilty as hell, shoild be impeached and his aids imprisoned is a bit of a stretch.

The reason I say it is unlikely is that Pence appears to be as straight as an arrow and would have raised this, countless Obama advocates in the security domain, have said no evidence.

As for propaganda, look at your own recent tweets. You want it to be true so you are jumping on the first thing that may support your position.

If he or one of his satellites did wrong they will get what they deserve, but press juries are not the way this should be done.
 
What's the likelihood that spicer will leak some scandal? Or will we have to wait til Trump is out of office to read his memoirs?
 
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