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From the Guardian on Trump and the Paris agreement:

The US will become the only country in the world not signed up to the landmark 2015 deal other than Nicaragua, which complained that it wasn’t strong enough, and Syria, currently mired in a bloody civil war.

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surf said:
From the Guardian on Trump and the Paris agreement:

The US will become the only country in the world not signed up to the landmark 2015 deal other than Nicaragua, which complained that it wasn’t strong enough, and Syria, currently mired in a bloody civil war.

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Good pals.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
In what world are Democrats going to support the daughter of Donald Trump as their nominee?

You come out with some weird stuffs at times. Independent, sure, why not?
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She will fit the current democratic party to a T.

the people are on the left. The party has moved steadily to the right.

They seem reasonable because the Republicans are insane.
 
Red Dreams said:
She will fit the current democratic party to a T.

the people are on the left. The party has moved steadily to the right.

They seem reasonable because the Republicans are insane.
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That doesn't answer the question. How is she ever able to run as a Democrat?

And Democratic politics has always been a struggle between center/center right politicians (mostly Southern and Midwestern I may add) and the New England social democratic/liberal faction. Economically it has shifted to the right following the aftermath of the Vietnam War but on social issues it's not moving right.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
That doesn't answer the question. How is she ever able to run as a Democrat?

And Democratic politics has always been a struggle between center/center right politicians (mostly Southern and Midwestern I may add) and the New England social democratic/liberal faction. Economically it has shifted to the right following the aftermath of the Vietnam War but on social issues it's not moving right.
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she was a Democrat.
We will have to disagree about where the voters are.
decades of leaving ordinary people behind and catering to corporations have left people desperate.
Thus Trump. He did not win. she lost.
 
Red Dreams said:
she was a Democrat.
We will have to disagree about where the voters are.
decades of leaving ordinary people behind and catering to corporations have left people desperate.
Thus Trump. He did not win. she lost.
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I don't care enough to have another discussion with you on this. Don't bring Clinton into this.

Answer the question. How can Democratic voters ever bring themselves to vote for the daughter of Donald Trump?
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I don't care enough to have another discussion with you on this. Don't bring Clinton into this.

Answer the question. How can Democratic voters ever bring themselves to vote for the daughter of Donald Trump?
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Remorse, regret, redemption?

It will work perfectly.

And who knows. She may well believe in values that people believe in.
 
Red Dreams said:
Remorse, regret, redemption?

It will work perfectly.

And who knows. She may well believe in values that people believe in.
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:lol: Bless. You are an idealist! I knew it :lol:

If she had stood up to her father and called him out on his sexism and all his bullshit, especially leaving the Paris Accord, then maybe, just maybe she could run as a Democrat. The fact she hasn't and the fact she seems to be complicit with much of what he is doing means she has destroyed any chance imho. However we all know how short peoples memories are, especially in this modern era where news is old and often forgotten after a day or so.
 
langster said:
:lol: Bless. You are an idealist! I knew it :lol:

If she had stood up to her father and called him out on his sexism and all his bullshit, especially leaving the Paris Accord, then maybe, just maybe she could run as a Democrat. The fact she hasn't and the fact she seems to be complicit with much of what he is doing means she has destroyed any chance imho. However we all know how short peoples memories are, especially in this modern era where news is old and often forgotten after a day or so.
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Without idealism, belief, you will never truly overcome.

tbf to her, she really has not been abhorent. Well. her daddy defines the word.

She has simply been an ornament.

I don't think she can offer anything to the country without any real life experience.

Until you serve, you cannot lead.
 


Excellent article, but Trump is far too stupid to have seen any of this, and he couldn't give a shit about most of it either.



Point proved.
 
I reckon all pics of Trump should come with NSFW spoiler tags from now.

Just look at it. His mouth looks like an arsehole on an orange.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
I don't care enough to have another discussion with you on this. Don't bring Clinton into this.

Answer the question. How can Democratic voters ever bring themselves to vote for the daughter of Donald Trump?
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Some twisted form of moral licensing, maybe?
 
Brwned said:
Some twisted form of moral licensing, maybe?
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It's just a question of practicality. People loosely affiliated with the party may not care that much, but party leaders, activists, the primary voting base are highly partisan. In a climate where marrying a people of different political affiliation is near taboo, it'd probably take a gun to their head for them to make the jump.
 
FFS, @Red Dreams, Ivanka is as much a charlatan as her father and brothers. She's as capitalist and elitist as they come. The DNC would never support running as their candidate nor can I fathom scores of DNC voters welcoming her aboard.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It's just a question of practicality. People loosely affiliated with the party may not care that much, but party leaders, activists, the primary voting base are highly partisan. In a climate where marrying a people of different political affiliation is near taboo, it'd probably take a gun to their head for them to make the jump.
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I dunno, most people vote for stupid reasons and regularly support people that don't embody any of their traditional values, simply because they've been endorsed by the party. If Ivanka was to show herself to be very unlike Trump in her words and actions then she'd be the most anti-Trump person you can get. Imagine if she spoke out against her father during criminal proceedings.

Given lots of people voted for Trump in large part because he's the polar opposite of the previous president, it doesn't seem that far-fetched to think the same could happen here. The central question is whether the DNC actually have any real values to hold onto. Recent evidence suggests not.
 
Brwned said:
I dunno, most people vote for stupid reasons and regularly support people that don't embody any of their traditional values, simply because they've been endorsed by the party. If Ivanka was to show herself to be very unlike Trump in her words and actions then she'd be the most anti-Trump person you can get. Imagine if she spoke out against her father during criminal proceedings.

Given lots of people voted for Trump in large part because he's the polar opposite of the previous president, it doesn't seem that far-fetched to think the same could happen here. The central question is whether the DNC actually have any real values to hold onto. Recent evidence suggests not.
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As I already said, it only took 8 years for Dubya to be seen favourably by half the Democratic base, so there technically is a chance, but the people who decide the Democratic nominee are highly partisan. They are not the apolitical hicks who vote out of habit. The DNC can't tell them who to vote for (fat lot of good it did Clinton in 08), so the daughter of the most repulsive man to them, who has never been involved to party politics, who has never contributed to its candidates, have about as good a shot at making it as me drawing a million dollar lottery tomorrow.

Donald Trump didn't happen overnight. His birther campaign endear him to the deplorables long before his run, and beneath all that abrasive bullshitting tantrums, he aligns with most Republicans on policy issues, or don't care enough to object. He personifies the money is power, might is right dogma that haunt the Republican voting base. Ivanka is not and will never be acceptable in the same way to Democratic voters. If enough people turned up their nose at Clinton, a loyal foot soldier for the party for 40 years, to lose her the election, can you imagine the rift within the party should they run a rich, slave labour exploiting capitalist daughter of the buffoon named Trump, denunciation or no?

It's not about moral, it's tribalism. Glenn Beck spoke out against Trump and did a mea culpa for his Fox day. No one would entertain him as a left wing spokeman. He is part of the other tribe, and so is Ivanka.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
As I already said, it only took 8 years for Dubya to be seen favourably by half the Democratic base, so there technically is a chance, but the people who decide the Democratic nominee are highly partisan. They are not the apolitical hicks who vote out of habit. The DNC can't tell them who to vote for (fat lot of good it did Clinton in 08), so the daughter of the most repulsive man to them, who has never been involved to party politics, who has never contributed to its candidates, have about as good a shot at making it as me drawing a million dollar lottery tomorrow.

Donald Trump didn't happen overnight. His birther campaign endear him to the deplorables long before his run, and beneath all that abrasive bullshitting tantrums, he aligns with most Republicans on policy issues, or don't care enough to object. He personifies the money is power, might is right dogma that haunt the Republican voting base. Ivanka is not and will never be acceptable in the same way to Democratic voters. If enough people turned up their nose at Clinton, a loyal foot soldier for the party for 40 years, to lose her the election, can you imagine the rift within the party should they run a rich, slave labour exploiting capitalist daughter of the buffoon named Trump, denunciation or no?

It's not about moral, it's tribalism. Glenn Beck spoke out against Trump and did a mea culpa for his Fox day. No one would entertain him as a left wing spokeman. He is part of the other tribe, and so is Ivanka.
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You're probably right. I was just playing devil's advocate. The possibility of her running as an independent and somehow bridging the gap between republicans and democrats is much more likely, albeit still an absolute long-shot. Tho sexist folk who voted Trump would've indulged their dark urges for long enough to possibly feel the need to show themselves as being wonderfully open-minded people, much like the significant minority of racist folk voting for Obama, while at the same time not having to move out of their comfort zone. While some typical democrats might be persuaded to put a woman in office and get behind some of her harmless, vacuous ideas.

At the end of the day we were within a hair's breadth of Clinton winning and 4 of the last 5 president's coming from 2 families, so it's not that much of a stretch to imagine the likes of Michelle Obama or Ivanka Trump at least trying something.
 
langster said:


Excellent article, but Trump is far too stupid to have seen any of this, and he couldn't give a shit about most of it either.



Point proved.
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For a different perspective it's worth watching the Putin Interviews (on Sky Go for UK folk). It's a bit unpleasant to see Oliver Stone being so openly sycophantic but it does end up letting you see a different side of Putin - open and relaxed as opposed to closed off and embattled. It's all propaganda, of course, but so is much of American politics and political discussion. The obvious distaste at the mere idea of Stone allowing Putin to provide his side of the story - from the likes of Charlie Rose and other talking heads - makes a case in itself for watching it. Exposing some of America's nonsense is a genuine threat to his core values and understanding of the world. It's always better to see both sides of the propaganda.
 
Brwned said:
You're probably right. I was just playing devil's advocate. The possibility of her running as an independent and somehow bridging the gap between republicans and democrats is much more likely, albeit still an absolute long-shot. Tho sexist folk who voted Trump would've indulged their dark urges for long enough to possibly feel the need to show themselves as being wonderfully open-minded people, much like the significant minority of racist folk voting for Obama, while at the same time not having to move out of their comfort zone. While some typical democrats might be persuaded to put a woman in office and get behind some of her harmless, vacuous ideas.

At the end of the day we were within a hair's breadth of Clinton winning and 4 of the last 5 president's coming from 2 families, so it's not that much of a stretch to imagine the likes of Michelle Obama or Ivanka Trump at least trying something.
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Jimmy Carter is still eligible for a second term :drool:

About a decade ago I was lucky enough to attend a forum he was addressing about his work since leaving office with the Carter Center for humanitarian causes and Habitat for Humanity. He's been the best post-president no question in my mind. Great man whose legacy goes beyond the political sphere.
 
Ramshock said:
When is this investigation going to heat up again? Im sick of this twat still being president.
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I suspect the leaks are going to be kept to a minimum now that Mueller is getting settled into the investigation.

Its already working as we're getting nowhere near the amount of leaks we were getting before Mueller took over.
 
This is the reason this story is a big deal.

Trump's son is the latest to have been proven to have been lying.

 
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Drumpf Jr. is a particularly odious one. Hope his name gets impugned a bit as this story gains traction.
 
Trump Jr who is quick to comment on stories on Twitter and is active on it is not posting anything about this story.

Whats he worried about :smirk:
 
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May’s 50-minute session with the US president was judged a success by British aides, with May reportedly delighted by Trump’s suggestion that a post-Brexit trade deal could be drummed up “very, very quickly”. In a longer-than-expected meeting with a “very good atmosphere”, May did not raise the US president’s demeaning comments about the London mayor, Sadiq Khan, nor Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate deal, despite signalling in advance that she would.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...e-us-g20-may-trump-trade-pledge-paris-climate
 
Trump team have gone to Circa to give their side of the story.

The president’s legal team said Saturday they believe the entire meeting may have been part of a larger election-year opposition effort aimed at creating the appearance of improper connections between Trump family members and Russia that also included a now-discredited intelligence dossier produced by a former British intelligence agent named Christopher Steele who worked for a U.S. political firm known as Fusion GPS.

“We have learned from both our own investigation and public reports that the participants in the meeting misrepresented who they were and who they worked for,” said Mark Corallo, a spokesman for President Trump’s legal team. “Specifically, we have learned that the person who sought the meeting is associated with Fusion GPS, a firm which according to public reports, was retained by Democratic operatives to develop opposition research on the President and which commissioned the phony Steele dossier. "
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https://www.circa.com/story/2017/07...an-lawyer-during-election-but-didnt-follow-up
 
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