Oh yes it will. If the circumstances are right, the house will be forced to act. Currently they aren't but if we see collusion, financial crimes, and/or obstruction of justice the pressure will be immense.
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Oh yes it will. If the circumstances are right, the house will be forced to act. Currently they aren't but if we see collusion, financial crimes, and/or obstruction of justice the pressure will be immense.
20 years ago...perhaps.
We are in a toxic time. There is no trust from either side. His supporters will simply say it is Made up.
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20 years ago he would already have been impeached for all he has done.
It was surreal for me to watch these heads of Iintelligence Agencies saying in front of Senate hearing they could not discuss what was said to the President.
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Then there are the 5 corporate judges.
alternate universes we live in.
alternate universes we live in.
Don't underestimate the power of the people. If any of these charges pan out, his entire policy agenda will instantly go up in smoke and congress members will be under siege until they take action.
Still can't believe he posted that meme 
I initially thought I'd been following a fake account when I first watched it. The guy is a moron, but I can't help finding him funny (and not in a positive way). The fact he's not in charge if the UK does help.
I initially thought I'd been following a fake account when I first watched it. The guy is a moron, but I can't help finding him funny (and not in a positive way). The fact he's not in charge if the UK does help.
The tragedy is we are living in a time where groups of people have different views of what this country stands for.
There is a civil war going on.
...and both parties are to blame.
Just look at the candidates this last election.
Just look at the candidates this last election.
Even so, it would be a national security issue and congress would have to act. If you throw in another year or two of his dementia fueled Twitter antics, they will feel even more urgency to act.
I don't know. Nothing surprises me with him.
He is an emotionally retarded person..
That is what we should expect from him.
He is an emotionally retarded person..
That is what we should expect from him.
There'd be certain points where Congress would just have to impeach him (ie if he threatened to start nuking other countries) but I think it'll take a lot for them to actually get rid of him. Right now he's taking all the negative attention and criticism, and that suits them perfectly; Pence feels like he's almost completely absent from the general public, and that's probably a deliberate, calculated move.
I do think that when all this is done though, we'll see a major blowback against a Republican party considered to be a bit of a joke, provided the Democrats are fairly strong. Trump is like the final straw of a mainstream party that's progressively gotten more and more right-wing, agenda-less and just generally weird, and once everyone's able to reflect on Trump's reign as something fundamentally bizarre and almost too satirical to be taken seriously...people will probably look at the Republicans who defended and stood by him as a bit of a joke, both those closely associated with him, and those who tacitly backed him in spite of the fact he openly criticised and ripped the piss out of them.
I do think that when all this is done though, we'll see a major blowback against a Republican party considered to be a bit of a joke, provided the Democrats are fairly strong. Trump is like the final straw of a mainstream party that's progressively gotten more and more right-wing, agenda-less and just generally weird, and once everyone's able to reflect on Trump's reign as something fundamentally bizarre and almost too satirical to be taken seriously...people will probably look at the Republicans who defended and stood by him as a bit of a joke, both those closely associated with him, and those who tacitly backed him in spite of the fact he openly criticised and ripped the piss out of them.
With a bit of luck the Republicans will take a double hit. Firstly they will take shit from the sanist side of their support for enabling him for so long and allowing him to make a complete mockery of their party. Secondly they will lose all the whacko Trump supporters who will be bat shit crazy at them for getting rid of him.
Dem's need to capitalise on that and steal the moderates.
The probabilities of impeachment will also go up as time goes on and Republicans begin to realize his agenda will not be implemented and they will get tarred with his incompetence. At that point, a big part of the reason they are supporting him will no longer exist and they will have to deal with the results of the Mueller investigation on the back of his daily twitter antics. The circumstances are definitely not right at the moment, but I can easily see them being right in a year or so.
Impeachment doesn't necessarily guarantee removal from office. It's happened 3 times in US history and only Nixon was forced out.
In any case, if I were to bet rent money, I'd say impeachment does not happen during Trump's first term in office.
Social values and the specific issues you're talking about are mutually inclusive. If the people talking about those messages don't embody empathy and altruism then ultimately the message won't land.
It's the short-termist thinking you're alluding to that makes it acceptable for politicians to run with the primary purpose of indulging their own selfish desires and ignoring genuine long-term existential threats. At at time when socialist politicians like Sanders and Corbyn have come closer to election than at any point in decades, it's odd to see people talking about irrelevant things like age and comparatively unimportant things like the message. Their strength is their values and their ability to communicate those values. That goes far beyond the message.
He's just trying to dominate the news cycle so that the senators who are home for the break don't get caught in the negative news cycle on healthcare bill and change their minds.
It's not a coincidence that he picks one of his stupid media beefs right when he feels there is negative news on policy or Russian interference that can dominate the air time.
Idiots like Kathy Griffin and Joe are only ready to use that limelight for their own 15 seconds of fame.
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You are right of course.
I meant 'show me the money' messages.
But you do need the right messenger. We are currently seeing very few people who talk from the heart like Corbyn or Sanders. Its less a socialist model rather than more pocketbook ideas which are what people really need to hear.
You are right of course.
I meant 'show me the money' messages.
But you do need the right messenger. We are currently seeing very few people who talk from the heart like Corbyn or Sanders. Its less a socialist model rather than more pocketbook ideas which are what people really need to hear.
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I think this so called bi-partison call that is being talked about, will really end up with a Health Care bill coupled with a Tax Cut bill.
The GOP giving in on the health care bill, with more benefits to cover All Americans and a Tax Cut bill that will benefit more to the top.
I think this so called bi-partison call that is being talked about, will really end up with a Health Care bill coupled with a Tax Cut bill.
The GOP giving in on the health care bill, with more benefits to cover All Americans and a Tax Cut bill that will benefit more to the top.
TBH I don't know if being called deplorable is better than being called racist.
The only difference is they would have had to check the dictionary after being called deplorable. Too far?
they have dictionaries?
bad..bad .bad...
bad..bad .bad...
I am one of those who relished everything he did during the primaries.
talk of being addicted to a reality show.
now look what we have
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Meanwhile in Trumpland, Donald works out how to get around the 140 character limit imposed by Twitter to yet again attack the 4th estate........
And take credit for things he has had 0 effect on as the USA is still feeling the benefit of the strong recovery put in place by the previous President.
And take credit for things he has had 0 effect on as the USA is still feeling the benefit of the strong recovery put in place by the previous President.
was talking to money market mate of mind. He said we can expect another recession perhaps as early as next year.
I'm prepping already. Now way this lasts. I don't see anything undoing Trump aside from a recession either.
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. We too are facing the same prospect in the UK due to the uncertainty of not only Brexit but also the shambolic Government we have at the moment and the lack of faith in our PM. Yet again we find ourselves in similar situations brought on by our own stupidity and yet again we find ourselves being examples to the world, although this time, unfortunately not good examples. The UK voting to leave the EU and the calamitous feck up of how it is being handled has frightened off the rest of Europe from following suit. It also appears that the US electing Trump has killed the chances of anywhere else electing a populist hard right candidate. Also, I saw an article recently that said a Presidential endorsement from Trump is like a poisoned chalice as most he has recommended have underperformed or suffered dips in their ratings.
So you see, both countries are in absolute disarray all from our own doing. And yeah it fecking sucks. Badly.
I'd love to hear his followers spin it. Same tracjectory as "the slowest recovery in history" yet all of a sudden that is just fine. There's no reasoning with them. Facts don't matter one iota.
what both UK and US are suffering from is years of neglect in investment in people and infrastructure. Just giving tax cuts that do not trickle down.
Its inevitable these boom bust cycles become more frequent.
Its inevitable these boom bust cycles become more frequent.
I've been hearing that for about 3-4 years now (its my industry too). I think the conditions are right for another recession but it doesn't seem to be happening.
Lots in America are worried about car loans being the next catalyst.
I give up with them, I truly do. Yet again I draw parallels with the UK. Today I was talking to (possibly) my future mother-in-law and she was just talking absolute shit, serious shit about how we should never have joined the EU and how it was the worst thing for the UK. She said she went to Ireland and didn't see ONE single Irish person, blah blah blah. I tuned out as I have no wish to argue with her.
I argued non stop with my extremely religious first mother-in-law and it got me nowhere at all and just caused problems with my ex wife, so I've learned some battles are best not fought at all. Anyway, I struggled today because this fecking woman has just moved back here FROM SPAIN! She lived in Spain for 15 YEARS! The hypocrisy astounds me. What's worse, is she's just spent 6 months with her nieces who live in the USA, and they are strong Trump supporters, the fecking lot of them. Yet even she is not stupid enough to like Trump, so I do wonder, if she's so far gone I can't relate, but she's smart and aware enough to not like Trump, then how far, or how much more uneducated must the Trump voters be? It frightens the living shit out of me, it really does.
I know, and it has to reach breaking point. Actually, I think it has now. You will be ok when the poor Trump supporters wake up and realise they have been conned, when that happens the USA can start to repair, recover and rebuild. Quite how we in the UK get out of this mess I have no fecking idea. I am still hoping for a Hail Mary and some sense with the realisation that we really can't leave the EU and to do so will be cutting off our noses to spite our faces. With that being unlikely, I am sure the UK will be ok, we are fighters after all, just not the situation many of us would have relished or look forward to.
They've really screwed military with cars loans haven't they? Or was that fixed?
true mate.
We Always survive. But Corbyn hopefully will get in next and provide some safety nets for those that will get hit the hardest.
Brexit. The uncertainty is what is worse almost.
Yes. think you have that right.
I don't know about the military specifically. The carmakers offered ridiculous lease terms to everyone post recession as they couldn't sell any cars. Now everyone is coming off the leases and flooding the second hand market, so resale prices are crashing and someone, either the consumer or the manufacturer, is picking up the tab. Thankfully the value of a car is much lower than the value of a house so the crash if it happens won't be as big.
That is exactly right, the uncertainty is definitely the worst.
6 months ago nobody would have given Corbyn a prayer. Not a hope in hell, yet now he is literally on the cusp of becoming the next Prime Minister. May is fecked, the Tories are self destructing, but I wouldn't put it past them to find someone out of nowhere. You should never count them out. However, the weakness of the Government aligned with some serious fruitloops is what will be their downfall. The DUP are (mostly) creationists, something you guys in the States have had to deal with for a long time. They are usually laughed at here, but now, they kind of have to be taken moderately seriously as they were needed to form a Government. I have to admit the dynamics of what is going on here in the UK is interesting and will definitely be (as Trump will in the USA) used as case studies for years to come in the future.
The USA is a different problem though. As I said, and I truly believe it, that as soon as the core Trump supporters wake up to the con, then the USA will be in a much better place. You can hear them now "Well we-all thought he was different, but he was just the same, just another rich White guy telling us what we wanted to hear. He hasn't brought the jobs back, and now he's taken our insurance, I mean he's still better than the Black fellow before him, but he's lied to us" The only question is is how and when are the Democrats going to get on the same page? The infighting between Bernie and Hillary supporters is still rife. Feck, it was in here again today. With YOU, you argumentative feck
but you get my point?I think now is the absolute perfect time for the USA to give birth to a third political party. In the long run it would be excellent for the country, but the trouble is I think it could kill the Democrats and hand the Republicans the Presidency for years to come. It's a tough one because the USA really isn't just a two party country anymore. The Dems are way too centrist, even right wing really. They would be a right wing party in Europe, or centre right anyway and certainly not Liberal. Bernie ran as a progressive which is really a modern Socialist. Again the dynamics are so interesting, but the reality is dire because real people are suffering. I just hope the Dems wake up and depart the centre right area they are occupying at the moment and they move back left because at the moment, you have a shitload of people who are not being represented or even listened to. And we all know what happens then don't we? Feck, Snoop Dogg as President 2020?
Yup, agreed. But I thought there was (and is) a lot of optimism in my posts. It's not all doom and gloom.
I just wish this guy was 20 years younger.
sorry how that came out. I meant to say I agree and that we as a people must not give up hope.
Sanders will pass on the torch.
Several are speaking.
Lets wait.
Several are speaking.
Lets wait.
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