Andrew Weissman in his team has great expertise at flipping witnesses. In fact, Mueller brought together a class team to this investigation. There's an expert in each key element of the investigation. Problem is at the end of the day, I suspect the outcome will be too fragile to bring about impeachment procedure. Chances are the investigation will conclude with "questionable interaction and serious concerns yadda yadda" but no solid evidence that would hold up in court or an impeachment process. Unless they uncover money in this...
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I think the opposite. I think they already have enough evidence of serious wrong doing to bring down the administration and bring criminal charges to Trump and his satellites. Mueller is a pro though and he's going to dot every i and cross every t to make sure every actor and every crime had a water tight case against it. He's going to follow every thread of evidence and see just how wide this web stretches.
Atleast Flynn is going to be in serious criminal trouble and Manafort too possibly. Manafort is a smart weasel who'll either hire some good legal help to reduce his sentencing or flip and work out a deal but Flynn is stupid as feck so he'll go to prison.
Against Trump's satellites yes, but to bring down the administration the investigation has to compile concrete evidence against Trump himself. That's where it falls apart for me. I think he's guilty as feck but will we see evidence beyond witness accounts against him? If it comes down to solely witness accounts against Trump then that's where I think the case will be fragile. It's hard for Mueller to establish Trump himself has strong responsibility to collusion or obstruction based on one-sided accounts and observed meetings with whoever alone. Ironically, whatever good evidence capable of incriminating Trump I think is probably with Russian intel. In the words of a fool, Trump better hope the Russians don't have tapes.
What did he wrong today? 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4576dc0f39d_story.html?utm_term=.8a306d4333a7
He's such a fecking petty, vindictive, fat arsed manchild.
He's such a fecking petty, vindictive, fat arsed manchild.
Everyone should watch highlights of morning Joe starting at 7am. They discussed other things Trump did. He's unhinged.
He already did by firing Comey. If he fires Mueller too and then replaces him with another special counsel, there will be outrage, but he'll still get away with it imo. Even if doesn't actively interfere he can make sure it gets stuck in limbo for quite some time.
I think lot of you here are still underrating him. He has an incredible degree of immunity against acts that could have impeached a generation worth of presidents. Judging him by old/normal standards is pretty much useless and only serves as wank fodder for democrats hoping to impeach him.
Russian tampering on it's own will not lead to impeachment. At best if found severe, they can call for a re-election, which is extremely unlikely. There needs to be clear proof that his surrogates had Russian connections and Trump was wilfully blind for this to get any traction. Or some of his shadier business/tax dealings come forth to bite him now.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/30/politics/trump-healthcare-bill-twitter/index.html
Repeal first. Replace Later.
How does that work? What happens interim.
So failure to pass the bill is not his problem?
Repeal first. Replace Later.
How does that work? What happens interim.
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So failure to pass the bill is not his problem?
I completely disagree. He fired Comey and is being investigated for obstruction of justice, and when you consider the fact that he asked Rodgers and Coats the same thing he asked of Comey, it will give Mueller a lot more evidence to chew on regarding obstruction - which is a felony. Trump could of course pardon himself and those around him, but that still wouldn't protect him from impeachment.
This has increasingly less to do with Russian interference (which is now a separate issue) and more to do with obstruction and perjury. There will also likely be more things put on the table as time goes on, some of which may wind up sinking Trump. Remember, the Bill Clinton matter in the 90s began with an investigation into a shady land deal in Arkansas (Whitewater) and wound up with Bill Clinton perjuring himself and getting impeached in the House of Representatives over a fling with a White House intern. Trump is well on his way of matching and eclipsing Clinton's result.
Isn't there a bit of gray area there? I believe they said Trump asked them go public that Trump himself was not under investigation (which he was not). The contentious issue is his words to effect that Flynn was a good guy and they could "let him go". Coats, Rodgers and Comey are all in sync that the conversations were uncomfortable but they did not receive any direct orders which may lead to obstructing justice. I doubt they could make a obstruction/perjury charge stick. I mean, the intention is clear to us...but whether it'll stick in a court of law is the key question here.
He already has raised concerns about Mueller being Comey's "friend" and not really bipartisan. His lickspittle lackeys have jumped on the bandwagon already. He can use that as excuse to claim the investigation is not fair and appoint another special counsel...which will delay the process considerably.
That's not what he asked (allegedly). There is an active investigation ongoing regarding Trump's campaign (and now into Trump himself) and Trump invited Comey to dinner, told everyone to leave (presumably to avoid legal culpability) then proceeded to ask Comey for loyalty, as in shut down the investigation on Flynn. When Comey declined to do so, Trump fired him. That is as clear an attempt to obstruct justice as it gets. The legal bar of obstruction of justice can be met merely by an attempt to obstruct as opposed to successfully obstructing. If what happened with Comey is true, then that's obstruction of justice.
The bit about Mueller and Comey is complete nonsense. They aren't close friends, just long time work associates, which is common among people who work at DoJ and the FBI. Its merely Trump's attempt to discredit an investigation that he fears is beginning to close in on something he doesn't want revealed.
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As I've said before, Mueller is as untouchable as they come. Not to mention that the FBI is the one of the most conservative, buttoned-up institutions in DC, which goes against Trump's narratives.
Agreed. They are professionals who know how to conduct an investigation and since Sessions is recused, there's no chance Trump will be able to meddle in anything DOJ or FBI related. Even if he installed a complete sycophant like Giuliani as DOJ if Sessions left, the amount of intense scrutiny and leaks would ensure the investigation could not get undermined by Trump attempting to shut it down.
And for some perspective
It's not extremely unlikely, it's impossible. There are zero mechanisms in place for a re-election, every US election has run on schedule through world wars, civil war, and everything else. Americans worship the constitution, even half the Democratic Party would refuse to go around it.
He spends more time there than in the White House. Well, maybe it's better in this way in the end
For a president, he watches a ridiculous amount of TV.
I checked twitter to see if he had taken a day off after yesterday.. he hasnt.. Still going on about Morning Joe.
Tampered election is pretty much unprecedented, so an unprecedented solution should not be "impossible". There has been precedence for Congress rejecting electors due to voting irregularities before (Arkansas and Louisiana, 1872) so if such interference can be drilled down to a certain state or constituency, then similar measures can be employed. Imo it would not be unconstitutional but will come down to SC judgement. But then I think we agree that it's not come to fruition.
Trump apparently threatened to have his pal who owns the National Enquirer run an unflattering, tabloidy story about Joe and Mika unless they came to him and begged he didn't.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/m...-with-national-enquirer-story/article/2627541
How would it not be constitutional? The constitution describes in detail how the electoral process works, provides a mechanism for the removal of a president, and lays out the line of succession should that occur. The Supreme Court isn't going to suddenly decide that they'll ignore the constitution completely because they feel like it, and the chances of the Republicans voting for a constitutional amendment to get themselves out of office is less than zero.
I still cant believe Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America.
Also, I'd say lawmakers of the past was pretty prescient on the matter of succession. Previously the Secretary of State was third in line for succession, but they changed it to Speaker and president pro tempore of the Senate to avoid a crisis when the executive branch is in the shit. Unfortunately for us, that'd mean President Paul Ryan or Orrin Hatch.
I think their main fault was the assumption that elected officials would at some level acts honorably or at least that the public would hold them to that kind of scrutiny. A hangover of a very different age.
Yeah, felt that way on Wednesday. What a joke.
It's astonishing how he keeps lying.
The damage he's doing to that office cannot be underestimated.
The next president will spend half his time trying to mend the damage.
Countries will simply say "if you can elect this buffoon, we can't trust you".
The next president will spend half his time trying to mend the damage.
Countries will simply say "if you can elect this buffoon, we can't trust you".
The only explanation is that he's crazy.
How can someone have such a blatant disregard for the truth and insist on a lie when it has already been proven false?
He should be trying to work with conservative shows and commentators not making enemies. A lot of the GOP will have good relationships with these people and will want their relationships with them to remain in good standing long after Trump is gone.
He's fecking dimmer than I thought (an achievement) if he thinks these people don't have any power. They're respected and trusted by a huge number of moderate conservatives.
There's definitely something wrong with him. And I'm not saying that flippantly. He's probably sleep deprived and eating poorly, which in addition to being a complete insecure narcissist, and generally incompetent at all things governance is a recipe for disaster. When you add in the investigations and media scrutiny, you get what we're seeing.
If the legality of the election is under question, why would it be unconstitutional? Say it's proven that voting machines were rigged in Wisconsin plus 3 other close States? Would you accept that it still was a 'valid' Democratic choice made by American people? It obviously is not. Why is the Constitution expected to uphold a election that was rigged by Russians? Doesn't make sense.
All you can say is that the Constitution doesn't cover this scenario, but that in itself doesn't make it unconstitutional.
I think I've said it before but I think it's a similar mental illness to which a lot of child stars suffer. They're brains become wired differently to the average person because they never learn to experience and deal with being told they aren't allowed something or can't do something.
Trump's entire life has been spent believing that it's perfectly normal to have your own version of events accepted as truth. That's how his brain is wired to operate. He says something and people act on that even if it's not logically correct or evidently accurate.
He's never been held accountable until now, even legal cases against him were settled with his version of events by either paying them off or bullying them to submission.
I've been ignoring this thread for the last week, what did he do on Wednesday?
What an absolute bloody moron.
That's about as in depth as he can get folks
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