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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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NOT a wum, genuine question: @GlastonSpur @SirHenryPercy at the start of this season would you have taken this at this point of the season? In the Europa League, 5th round of the Cup and second, but not likely to mount a real title challenge given the 9 point gap and potentially just 3 points ahead of 6th tomorrow?

Is looking likely to solidify top 4 enough this season, or were you expecting to be closer to the leaders/through to the knockouts of the Champions League? How do you feel about a run in the Europa League/FA Cup? I know some people on here want their teams out of cup competitions.

I would definitely have taken it, so far the CL is the only real disappointment for me. It would have been nice to have made the last 16 or QF's, so that's a definite negative. As far as the EL is concerned at this stage I'm not bothered about it, all I wanted in August was another top 4 finish and we are right in the mix for that.

I would now like to see us play a complete 2nd string in the EL and go full strength in the PL and FA Cup. If we get past Fulham and get a home QF draw I fancy our chances against anybody, if we can avoid one of the big boys away then with a full strength side I think we can win that comp.

On the downside our injuries seem to be mounting up, we don't need for Rose to be out for any length of time. The Rose Vertonghen left sided partnership has been outstanding and now we are without both and I don't rate Davies.
 
Got some right, and some wrong like any club. Overall I think our recruitment has been quite good.

I'm still willing to give Janssen more time, he is a young player who seem to have a great attitude, and joined this season. Many players have a crap first season and then become good (and many don't, time will tell).

Lamela is a player who divides opinion it seems. I'm a big fan myself and thought that this season would be a great season for him, it started well, but because of injuries this hasn't happened. He may still have a big part to play in the last third of the season though.

I think only those who watch Spurs all the time would know what a big miss Lamela has been for us. He's the leader of our pressing game and his energy seems endless. Without him we are short of options, we need him back in the fold sooner rather than later.

I can see quite a few changes this summer with the following all going:

Sissoko
Janssen
N'Koudou
Son
Davies
Wimmer
Trippier

What money we have and get we need to spend better than last summer, Wanyama aside it's been a disappointing return.
 
I think only those who watch Spurs all the time would know what a big miss Lamela has been for us. He's the leader of our pressing game and his energy seems endless. Without him we are short of options, we need him back in the fold sooner rather than later.

I can see quite a few changes this summer with the following all going:

Sissoko
Janssen
N'Koudou
Son
Davies
Wimmer
Trippier

What money we have and get we need to spend better than last summer, Wanyama aside it's been a disappointing return.


Woah out of that list I could only see perhaps Davies leaving - or maybe Sissoko if we got a big offer from China. Why would we sell Son!? You are talking about selling a lot of our back-up players who have played a big part at times this season. Crazy talk. You write off players very quickly my word.
 
I think only those who watch Spurs all the time would know what a big miss Lamela has been for us. He's the leader of our pressing game and his energy seems endless. Without him we are short of options, we need him back in the fold sooner rather than later.

I can see quite a few changes this summer with the following all going:

Sissoko
Janssen
N'Koudou
Son
Davies
Wimmer
Trippier


What money we have and get we need to spend better than last summer, Wanyama aside it's been a disappointing return.

Would you really get rid of these players? Squad depth is required and they're all very capable players. Would be a surprise to me.
 
Woah out of that list I could only see perhaps Davies leaving - or maybe Sissoko if we got a big offer from China. Why would we sell Son!? You are talking about selling a lot of our back-up players who have played a big part at times this season. Crazy talk. You write off players very quickly my word.

If you can only see Davies leaving then you're in for a shock, Pochettino knows his back up players aren't good enough. Trippier is but he's not going to sit there for ever and play second fiddle when he's good enough for a top 10 PL team.

CCV in Poch's own words is now ahead of Wimmer, Wimmer was used at City because he's left sided, he will almost certainly go. We will cut our losses on Janssen, he's not good enough, the same with N'Koudou. Son in my opinion will go to fund signing Zaha from Palace.

Sissoko we will see but Poch thus far is clearly underwhelmed plus Harry Winks has emerged to be ahead of Sissoko in an area that we might have strongly considered him after his Euro's performances.

We have a very strong first 11 but we lack depth of quality. Out of that lot the only one I'd be sorry to see go is Trippier, the others aren't of the required level and that includes Son.
 
If you can only see Davies leaving then you're in for a shock, Pochettino knows his back up players aren't good enough. Trippier is but he's not going to sit there for ever and play second fiddle when he's good enough for a top 10 PL team.

CCV in Poch's own words is now ahead of Wimmer, Wimmer was used at City because he's left sided, he will almost certainly go. We will cut our losses on Janssen, he's not good enough, the same with N'Koudou. Son in my opinion will go to fund signing Zaha from Palace.

Sissoko we will see but Poch thus far is clearly underwhelmed plus Harry Winks has emerged to be ahead of Sissoko in an area that we might have strongly considered him after his Euro's performances.

We have a very strong first 11 but we lack depth of quality. Out of that lot the only one I'd be sorry to see go is Trippier, the others aren't of the required level and that includes Son.

I honestly think that pretty much all you said in that post is completely wrong.
 
I think only those who watch Spurs all the time would know what a big miss Lamela has been for us. He's the leader of our pressing game and his energy seems endless. Without him we are short of options, we need him back in the fold sooner rather than later.

I can see quite a few changes this summer with the following all going:

Sissoko
Janssen
N'Koudou
Son
Davies
Wimmer
Trippier

What money we have and get we need to spend better than last summer, Wanyama aside it's been a disappointing return.

Son has been a great squad player for you. I think you would be foolish to get rid of him. Janssen is a flop though. Sissoko I was shocked you even signed him in the first place.
 
Son has been a great squad player for you. I think you would be foolish to get rid of him. Janssen is a flop though. Sissoko I was shocked you even signed him in the first place.

Janssen needs more time to prove himself and he will get another season imo. Son has been a very good signing for us and to even suggest we would consider selling him is bonkers. Sissoko is a mystery tbh not sure why we got him and he hasnt been great but maybe Poch can improve him.
 
I think only those who watch Spurs all the time would know what a big miss Lamela has been for us. He's the leader of our pressing game and his energy seems endless. Without him we are short of options, we need him back in the fold sooner rather than later.

I can see quite a few changes this summer with the following all going:

Sissoko
Janssen
N'Koudou
Son
Davies
Wimmer
Trippier

What money we have and get we need to spend better than last summer, Wanyama aside it's been a disappointing return.

I'm well with you here. He is a bit of liability at times, being an Argie, he's effing mental - but he is quick, aggressive with flair and he's direct. He's kind of like Sissoko with a footballing brain.

I'd be surprised if he gets rid of Janssen and Trippier. The former, purely as I think he'll want to keep a bit of faith with him. Trippier though, I thought he's really quite a capable back up!
 
Would you really get rid of these players? Squad depth is required and they're all very capable players. Would be a surprise to me.

I would like to keep Trippier, I think he's quality but I think he will want to go and play football.

Wimmer is down the pecking order and I think will go back to the Bundesliga where reportedly plenty of clubs want him.

Davies I personally don't rate and he doesn't have similar characteristics to our other 3 FB's who are very good offensively and can go up and down all day. We will get good money for Davies and I think we can find better back up.

Son is the controversial one, moments of excellence hide a lot of poor performances, we need better, I think we could sell him and buy Zaha for the same money. I would prefer Zaha and I think Poch would to.

Squad depth is important and of course all of these players will be replaced either from the academy or by buying.
 
Janssen needs more time to prove himself and he will get another season imo. Son has been a very good signing for us and to even suggest we would consider selling him is bonkers. Sissoko is a mystery tbh not sure why we got him and he hasnt been great but maybe Poch can improve him.

If I knew you I would wager Son goes this Summer, let's see. To buy what we want we need funds, Son is one disposable player that we could get big money for.
 
Janssen needs more time to prove himself and he will get another season imo. Son has been a very good signing for us and to even suggest we would consider selling him is bonkers. Sissoko is a mystery tbh not sure why we got him and he hasnt been great but maybe Poch can improve him.

I just don't see it with Janssen. Apart from penalties he never looks like scoring which is a bad sign. I'm not a fan of buying from the Dutch league in general though to be honest, the ratio of success is very small.
 
I would like to keep Trippier, I think he's quality but I think he will want to go and play football.

Wimmer is down the pecking order and I think will go back to the Bundesliga where reportedly plenty of clubs want him.

Davies I personally don't rate and he doesn't have similar characteristics to our other 3 FB's who are very good offensively and can go up and down all day. We will get good money for Davies and I think we can find better back up.

Son is the controversial one, moments of excellence hide a lot of poor performances, we need better, I think we could sell him and buy Zaha for the same money. I would prefer Zaha and I think Poch would to.

Squad depth is important and of course all of these players will be replaced either from the academy or by buying.

You complain about Son being inconsistent and the player you would want to replace him is Zaha!? Wow ok. Son has proven much more in the premiership for Spurs than Zaha has proven. Poch might see something in Zaha he likes but I'd be shocked if we chose to sell Son who has been a fantastic squad player for us (11 goals in 24 games this season alone). Wimmer is our first choice centre back back-up - all the talk about CCV is just talk, look at who he has played more - it's Wimmer. Davies I think is decent back-up but I could see him going.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can't see the value of having a decent quality of squad/back-up players and I'm also disappointed that you are so quick to write off players who are obviously young and still getting used to the league.
 
I would like to keep Trippier, I think he's quality but I think he will want to go and play football.

Wimmer is down the pecking order and I think will go back to the Bundesliga where reportedly plenty of clubs want him.

Davies I personally don't rate and he doesn't have similar characteristics to our other 3 FB's who are very good offensively and can go up and down all day. We will get good money for Davies and I think we can find better back up.

Son is the controversial one, moments of excellence hide a lot of poor performances, we need better, I think we could sell him and buy Zaha for the same money. I would prefer Zaha and I think Poch would to.

Squad depth is important and of course all of these players will be replaced either from the academy or by buying.

Whoa, not sure about Zaha being the most consistent player tbh. I think Son has done well for you guys this season tbh.
 
You're right in Spurs players no doubt being happy. But you've got title winning players in your squad. If they don't start winning titles those players will leave to fulfil their potential.

In no uncertain terms, if Spurs fail to win something this season, this season will be classed as a failure. You've got the best team in the league and enough strength in depth. It's February 1st. There are three competitions on offer and 3rd or 4th place and no cup in hand at the seasons close would have to be seen as a failure.

Personally I think you'll win something this season. But if you don't, you've got a very talented group of players that will have to start thinking "If not now, when?". There will never be less completion than right now.
I personally don't agree. I did not put Spurs in the top 4 in my preseason predictions. I had them at 5th. That didn't seem so bad a prediction, given the amount of cash spent and the strengthening from the teams around them (not even to mention the influx of big-name managers). If they get top 4 I doubt Spurs fans would call it a failure. Not to say it's a raging success, but baby steps first. It's certainly progress.
 
I personally don't agree. I did not put Spurs in the top 4 in my preseason predictions. I had them at 5th. That didn't seem so bad a prediction, given the amount of cash spent and the strengthening from the teams around them (not even to mention the influx of big-name managers). If they get top 4 I doubt Spurs fans would call it a failure. Not to say it's a raging success, but baby steps first. It's certainly progress.

I think most Spurs fans would agree with you - if we can become a club that regularly gets top 4 then we will be making great progress as a club, we can build from there and get more experience in Europe, etc. All this builds a club and builds a team that perhaps could be capable of a real title challenge in future years. We are nearly there and moving in the right direction.
 
I think most Spurs fans would agree with you - if we can become a club that regularly gets top 4 then we will be making great progress as a club, we can build from there and get more experience in Europe, etc. All this builds a club and builds a team that perhaps could be capable of a real title challenge in future years. We are nearly there and moving in the right direction.
Can't argue with that, much to my displeasure
 
You complain about Son being inconsistent and the player you would want to replace him is Zaha!? Wow ok. Son has proven much more in the premiership for Spurs than Zaha has proven. Poch might see something in Zaha he likes but I'd be shocked if we chose to sell Son who has been a fantastic squad player for us (11 goals in 24 games this season alone). Wimmer is our first choice centre back back-up - all the talk about CCV is just talk, look at who he has played more - it's Wimmer. Davies I think is decent back-up but I could see him going.

I'm honestly flabbergasted that you can't see the value of having a decent quality of squad/back-up players and I'm also disappointed that you are so quick to write off players who are obviously young and still getting used to the league.

Did I say I want Zaha? No I didn't did I?

What I said was I believe that Poch likes him, and given the chance that he could sell Son for the same money as it would cost to sign Zaha I think Poch would do it. You need to accept some facts, as a club building a new stadium we aren't awash with money and we will have somewhat limited resources to spend right now. That means if we can get big money for a player who isn't going to be a regular starter like Son then there is a very good chance that we will take it. If we then reinvest that money on somebody who Poch thinks is a better player then it will happen. Also Zaha is likely to be much more available now than last summer with Pardew gone. Zaha won't be a guaranteed starter either but he could be a regular starter if we go back to a 3 behind the forward.

I'm pretty confident that one of the reasons that we went to a 3 at the back was because with Lamela out Poch was growing increasingly frustrated that he had Eriksen and Alli but no reliable third choice, so he sacrificed one of the 3 and changed shape.
So that he only had to play 2.

Which brings me nicely into Wimner, as I suggested in this thread on Saturday we went back to 4231 last night, the reason why is because Poch doesn't trust Wimmer. He was very poor at City and very poor against Wycombe. He decided he preferred 4231 with Son over to a 3 at the back with Wimmer. I have absolutely no doubts that Wimmer will move this Summer.

Which brings us on to the back up FB's, I like Trippier a lot but he's not playing football and I think he will want to move. No doubt we will fight to keep him and I hope we do but if the right bid comes in we won't stand in his way. Davies will go unless one scenario happens which I will come to at the end.

Janssen and N'Koudou aren't good enough period, there's no room for sentiment in football. I like Janssen's application but he doesn't think quick enough at this level and his movement isn't there. N'Koudou is never going to make it at Spurs, it's just plain to see that he doesn't have enough quality.

Sissoko may stay and get another year, it all depends if we can clear what we owe on him, if we can get near that I expect him to go if we can't then he will stay.

Of course I believe in the importance of squad depth and these players need to be replaced with purchases or academy players of better quality, there are options out there. Nobody can tell me that Poch has been happy with his back up players this year. He was visibly annoyed at their levels on Saturday against Wycombe and rightly so as it showed up a lot of limitations. It's one thing bringing one of two in when we have a very good 1-11 but when we start going to 3 or 4 the affect is too great. These players (Tripps and st times Son apart) have disappointed too often.

And now my final point which will probably have you tearing your hair out and the only reason I see that Davies might stay. I'm not saying this will happen but I think there's a 50/50 chance that Danny Rose will join Utd this Summer. If Utd want him bad enough and are prepared to pay I can see it happening, I can see Rose going to Utd in exchange for Luke Shaw and a very hefty chunk of cash, and I do mean hefty. In such circumstances Davies might stay to fight it out with Shaw.

1-11 we are as good as anybody in this league, but barring a couple of back up options our quality then falls away too much. I absolutely believe Poch will make it his priorit to address this in the summer.
 
Apparently Pochettino wants RM and that could happen sooner rather than later knowing how rash Madrid can be.
 
Wimmer and Davies are two that never impressed me. So wouldn't be shocked if they're sold this summer. Janssen and N'Koudou should get another chance, but you were quick to move N'Jie on (Loan with a sign on option I think?). To be honest N'Jie showed more threat than Janssen did at his time at Spurs.
 
Wimmer and Davies are two that never impressed me. So wouldn't be shocked if they're sold this summer. Janssen and N'Koudou should get another chance, but you were quick to move N'Jie on (Loan with a sign on option I think?). To be honest N'Jie showed more threat than Janssen did at his time at Spurs.

N'Jie showed more than Janssen and N'Koudou.
 
Got some right, and some wrong like any club. Overall I think our recruitment has been quite good.

I'm still willing to give Janssen more time, he is a young player who seem to have a great attitude, and joined this season. Many players have a crap first season and then become good (and many don't, time will tell).

Lamela is a player who divides opinion it seems. I'm a big fan myself and thought that this season would be a great season for him, it started well, but because of injuries this hasn't happened. He may still have a big part to play in the last third of the season though.
Of course, was just pointing out my disagreement that Son wasn't good.

Lamela divides opinions quite typically. He's an attacker that you know can and should be doing much better because of what he can do with the ball. The frequency of his good performances is too low which is frustrating and it suggest to me that his problem is the mental aspect of the game. That part can be fixed quite readily but it's also quite fickle and simply might not get fixed which is a big problem because it's the most important part of the game. It's basically the reason why players fail in general and it's not really something you can predict much. SAF tried to minimize that risk by doing thorough background checks on youth signings, looking into and speaking to the boy's family and what have you.
 
The only out I'd want this summer is Sissoko, provided we can get a reasonable sum for him. I'm a big fan of Lamela and see him in our first XI when he recovers fully.
 
Spuds are well set generally though not sure about their backup CBs. Wimmer looks dodgy and not sure Carter-Vickers is good enough either.

I think they would be mad to sell Lamela or Son and should try to keep Trippier and Davies too. Winks is promising. I think Janssen has more to offer as a backup than he has shown so far but Son is a better option anyway.

Getting rid of Nkoudou and going again for Zaha looks smart and quite likely.
 
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Did I say I want Zaha? No I didn't did I?
I would prefer Zaha and I think Poch would to.

You literally did say you would prefer him too, I agree with most of your points except the Zaha> Son implied consistency, which is crazy. Son is far more consistent, if you had stated you would prefer a player with a higher ceiling that would make sense.
 
It was reported earlier (maybe last season). That's why I said apparently.

Sigh, if Spurs fans believed the media we wouldn't have a squad or a manager at this point. Don't know what player haven't been linked away, new one every other week.
 
Sigh, if Spurs fans believed the media we wouldn't have a squad or a manager at this point. Don't know what player haven't been linked away, new one every other week.
I don't know if Pochettino is someone RM are keeping an eye on, but if they are and results go down they can act quickly.
 
So over a year ago it was said Poch want's RM but you think it could happen sooner rather than later despite there now being no word on the potential move? That's an odd comment.
Jesus, I said apparently. And also added that RM can be rash if results don't keep up.
 
Jesus, I said apparently. And also added that RM can be rash if results don't keep up.

That's not my name and I understand what you said but you failed to mention that it was said around a year ago, which basically makes it pointless.. Anyway, not important, just thought it was an odd thing to bring up something not confirmed from a year ago and talk about in the present context.
 
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