The Spurs thread | 2016-2017 season | Serious thread - wummers/derailers will be threadbanned
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Haha, apparently they are signing DeGea.
But no, who knows what will happen in the future. I feel comfortable that none of our bigger players or manager will leave this summer, long contracts and a group who seem happy together. Whatever happens after that will depend on results I feel. I'm just a little tired of the media constantly linking our players and manager away without there ever being anything to suggest there's any truth to it.
I still didn't say I wanted him, I said I would prefer him to Son which I would.
I think with better quality players around him that Zaha would be more effective at Spurs. Palace up until recently have had few problems scoring goals this season and Zaha has played well this season, their problems have been at the other end.
There are players I would prefer over Zaha but currently they are out of our reach and we have to be realistic.
This time last year we made a major mistake which is now costing us. We had Mousa Dembele wrapped up for £5m but then Fulham insisted on having him back on loan for the rest of the season and we refused and pulled out of the deal.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
Haha, apparently they are signing DeGea.
But no, who knows what will happen in the future. I feel comfortable that none of our bigger players or manager will leave this summer, long contracts and a group who seem happy together. Whatever happens after that will depend on results I feel. I'm just a little tired of the media constantly linking our players and manager away without there ever being anything to suggest there's any truth to it.
Do you think there's absolutely no chance of Rose going to Utd?
Personally I think Rose is the best FB in the league full stop, however I still think we might be tempted into a deal on Rose if it's Shaw plus a big chunk of money that we could use to strengthen elsewhere. We still need a high class option to Kane.
Shaw was excellent under Pochettino at Southampton, and Shaw plus good money to spend might just tempt Poch.
I didn't remember how long ago but you can't honestly say It'd be a surprise if RM did rock up wanting Poch?
Who is going for Lloris do you think?Yeah, maybe they will need a new keeper.
Pochettino isn't suited to Real Madrid, he prefers young players that he can demand everything from, plus structure and organisation combined with a fiercely difficult training regime. The galactico's at Real would be in revolt.
I think Poch values the togetherness of the squad, and Rose to such an extent that he wouldn't want to sell. I also don't think Levy would be tempted unless a ridiculous offer comes though because of the signals it would send to the rest of the squad. The way Rose speaks comes across as if he is genuinely content at Spurs at the moment, and would want to stay for at least another season with the same team and challenge for trophies. I only think he would want to leave if his ambitions couldn't be matched here. I think this is the case for most of our players.
I absolutely do not want us to sell Rose, but there is a way that I could see how we could be tempted, but it would massively be under our terms.
Yeah you never know, but I think it's extremely unlikely that anything will happen this summer, especially if we get top 4. Not willing to try to predict anything beyond that though, football changes quickly.
I'm just glad we're not in a situation where our two best players are on 18 months contracts.That's half the problem. It's February. Spurs are still in 3 competitions. They're the strongest team in the league, bar Chelsea - who may or may not slip up.
What do Spurs fans think will happen? That United, City, Chelsea, Arsenal (Liverpool at a push) will continue to stagnate?
Your players need to win. Taking the Arsenal trophy this year will do nothing for you. You were one of the two best teams in the league last year. It's the same this year. I've heaped praise on Spurs in a few threads, but if 4th and no trophy is considered a good season you may as well give up.
[Freely admitting that finishing trophyless but taking the title race down to the final day would still represent a success of sorts. Expectations should be much higher though].
It's not true that just finishing in the top 4 does nothing for us. It gives us another crack at the CL, it brings in extra money (from the CL), it helps us to retain our best players and it helps in recruiting any additional players that we might go after this summer.
Yeah, but APART from that?
True. But not over and above what the other three teams above you do, and potentially the team finishing 5th if it's United.
If we can stay on point, my opening statement was that Spurs finishing without a trophy this season would have to be seen as a failure. I stand by that. I'll say the same about United and Chelsea right now. I don't think either set of fans would object to that, so why Spurs fans?
Because we are funding a new stadium and don't have - and haven't had for a long while past now - anything like the money for wages and transfers available to the other top 6 clubs. In that context - if money is used as the gauge - you'd expect Spurs to finish in 6th place, so if we again finish in the top 4 I don't see how that can be seen as a failure regardless of whether or not we win a trophy.
I'd say its a bigger deal for spurs than us or chelsea. Its a bigger plateau for them
I'd say not finishing ahead of arsenal and breaking that mental block would be a failure.
They dont seem to be putting that much in to the cups so their league position would be how i judge them I guess.
Depends how they approach the Europa League too really.
I'd be disappointed if they took their usual approach to it and played reserves.
Make hay while the sun shines imo. What better chance to win a cup instead of being another also ran.
Why do we have to change what the gauge is? You've got a great team. You should be looking to win things. It truly does not matter how much you bought them for or how much they are paid right now. When United had a bunch of young players break through we didn't say they shouldn't compete because they didn't cost money.
- Best/2nd best team in league. Should challenge
- Best-4th best team in Europa league. Should challenge
- Best-4th best team in FA Cup. Should challenge
Perhaps it's going to take a long time for Spurs fans to realise the position they're in as they've never really been there. Whatever the case, for me if you have a good team you should be looking to win things, not consolidate.
Wow that's some flawed logic. Any of the top 6 could claim to have as strong a team as Tottenham. They're doing very well to be matching it when they don't have the established stars of some of the other teams.
We are looking to challenge and win things - what makes you think we aren't? We are looking to compete - what makes you think we aren't?
But the fact is that cup wins depend a lot on the luck of the draw, whereas the league doesn't. So I still say that finishing (again) in the top 4 cannot be seen as a failed season, especially given the money that's been available to the other top 6 clubs.
What part of the logic is flawed?
I'd happily concede that Spurs lack a little strength in depth. But only Chelsea could claim to have as strong a team as them.
Spurs have just as many established stars as anyone. 2nd best keeper in the league. Best centre half pairing. Best set of full backs. Alli, Kane, Eriksen are in the discussion for best player in their respective positions in the league. Dembele and Wanyama are playing at that level too. It's an immensely valuable team, if not a costly assembled one.
Fine by me if people want to downplay their chances. For me though they need to be capitalising on a period that they're actually competitive. Consolidating a top 4 spot in the hope that it will be easier in future years... Not sensible in my opinion.
Top 4 is relative. Challenge for the title until the final couple of games of the season and that's got to be considered a success. Finish 4th and don't pick up a cup and I'm calling that a failure of a season. If you don't think you're one of the best sides in the league, all good. I just happen to think you are.
They're definitely the better side for atleast now.
They're a good example of the whole being better than the sum of their parts. Lots of young lads that will only improve, too. I don't rate Son, Eriksen or Lamela as anything special and (perhaps ironically) don't think they'd make (m)any of the other top 4 teams. And yet they're performing well enough for Tottenham. Better, in fact, than some of the so called 'stars' of the league.
The point I'm making is that United, Arsenal, Chelsea and City at least would all lay claim to having better squads than Tottenham. The league is incredibly competitive at the moment, and Tottenham have the shortest budget of all the teams around them. It would not be a disappointment to consolidate their position in the top 4.
Yeah Spurs are. But feck Top 4. I want us to win trophies.
Keep playing like this and I doubt there will be many of that this season.
I think the more important point is that if Chelsea or United were in Spurs position with the same squad, expectation would exist. Not hope but expectation.
I think that when you get close, you've got to truly bridge the gap. Chelsea made that jump from challenging under Ranieri to winning under Mourinho. City did the same.
Liverpool failed to do that. Arsenal failed to do that. Both Arsenal and Liverpool could have won league titles in the past 13 years when they possibly/probably had the best team in the league. They failed, they lost their moment and dropped off. Their best players left for bigger and better things and that was all she wrote.
I really don't believe that in 2 seasons Spurs will be able to say they have a better team than every other team in the league. If they don't start winning things when that's the case I don't see it ever happening.
They did it with the aid of several hundreds of millions of pounds pumped in from a sugar daddy ... so there is no comparison with Spurs, who earn every penny they spend and have to compete against far wealthier clubs.
Stop talking about purchasing power! It's irrelevant. How you build a team doesn't matter. When United youth team bloomed several players at the same time we didn't say "We didn't spend much on these guys so don't expect much of them"
Kane, Alli, Rose, Lloris, Vertongen, Alderweireld, Walker, Eriksen
Put a sale value on those 8 players, then do the same for every team in the top 6. There's your value.
You have found yourself in a position where you have one of the best teams in the league. One of the most valuable teams in the league. Through great purchasing/development.
I can't quite believe that you argue every point that's Tottenham related so vehemently. I'm suggesting you're perhaps the best team in the league and you're trying to find every single way you can to suggest you're not. Fast forward two days and you'll be arguing you've got the best team in the league.
I think you've got a great side and to not win something when teams around you are weak would be a massive missed opportunity.
We have one of the best teams in the league. And whilst I agree that money is far from the be all and end all, to call it "irrelevant" is just silly: if Pochettino had had a few hundred million net to spend since his arrival it's pretty likely that our squad would be stronger for it.
And why do you keep saying that I have low expectations for Spurs, when I haven't said that I do? We may win the FA Cup. We may in the EL cup too. Who knows. It's simply that I wouldn't regard another top 4 finish as a failed season.
Why would RM even be all that interested in Poch? They go after trophy winners and as United fans in this thread like to point out in just about every other post ad nauseum Poch hasn't won any. Poch making us look good isn't really enough of a CV to garner the interest in my opinion. Especially when there's a coach in just about every league who is getting a team to punch above their weight.
It's the same oxymoronic thing I read here about our players. Out of one side of the mouth I'll read posters here say our players aren't that good and wouldn't make the United squad and out of the other side of the mouth say our players will get poached. Why would they get poached if they aren't any good? It doesn't make any sense.
I do agree with much of what you've said, but I can't agree with your blanket idea that Tottenham have "the best team in the league" (or second best). They're certainly among the top, with United, Arsenal, City, Liverpool and Chelsea.
2 of Liverpool, Arsenal, City, United, Spurs are gonna miss out on the top 4. That's pretty fierce competition. It's hardly 'disappointing' to make the top 4, all things considered.
Looks like Rose will be out for a month, expected to lose 6 games (3 in the league).
Urgh not good news - we really have had quite a bit of bad luck with injuries this season - Toby, Jan, Kane, Lamela and now Rose all out for quite a long time at different stages this year. Makes the fact we are somehow sitting second even more impressive imo.
That is a very clever way of deflecting from the simple fact that some teams at the top have thrown hundreds of millions of pounds buying high profile players and then trying to argue that this doesn't actually matter. Of course it has an influence - Spurs can't go out and spend £80+ million on a Pogba for example or another £80+ million the next season on a Griezmann (as looks likely) - that makes a difference, otherwise why would clubs bother to spend those massive fees and pay huge wages on those types of players? If it was irrelevant then why do they do it? Yes we have been able to buy mainly younger players at a lower price and develop them into good players, something any other club could do as well. The difference is that if the likes of Utd, City, Chelsea, etc. want to buy a proven world class player at their peak they have a chance of doing that - we don't. That is a significant difference and to dismiss it is ridiculous.
The only thing i think will let spurs down was there poor Transfers in the summer, apart from Wanyama the rest were poor imo, i think the premiership title is as good as over and now its about who will join chelsea in the top 4, Spurs would get my vote, then its any of the rest for the other 2 spots. majority of there players signed new deals i beleive which is only a good thing for the club going forward, exciting time for spurs fans at the moment. just need get there transfers right this summer.
I agree we could probably use another player or two this summer but I believe that Poch is looking for stability in the side and ongoing improvement in the players we already have rather than radical changes. Partially this is due to budget constraints but I also believe it is a philosophical approach that Poch has to team building. So we might see one or two players go and one or two new players coming in but no more than that imo. Having said that, once the summer transfer window opens it's hard not to get carried away with dreams of a big signing.
Yeah you got away with your back 4 staying pretty much completely injury free last year, if you had the injury record of last year for this season, I'd imagine you'd be top/close 2nd.
Put the phone away Glaston
Poor so far, very similar to the City game.
Their lack of depth really shows when they have injuries. They're very much still in this though. Son has gotten in behind a few times since they started playing more direct.
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