Real won't be a possible destination whilst Poch's biggest achievement is getting Spurs into the top four and then getting knocked out the champions league in the group stage.
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That team also reached UCL quarter finals, while also getting again a place in top 4 (although they didn't go to UCL next season because of Chelsea) while this team didn't manage to pass the group stage of UCL.
Agree with you that this team is not as good as that.
Is it a parody account that someone from Caf made? @GlastonSpur
The other tweets are probably even worse than this.
Oh dear. Big wide pitch to play a high intensity pressing game. On paper it could be pretty bad. Obviously long term things are looking good but you'd do well to finish top 4 in the next 2 seasons (using my crystal ball obviously!)
Yep that's a fair assumption.
Yeah sure, it's either Barca or Madrid for Poch.
Maybe in 4/5 years - although he will never join Barca. Madrid possible I guess.
He obviously wants to manage Madrid, but knows like the rest of us it's a 3 year job, tops, probably much less. So he may as well achieve as much as possible for a few more years at Spurs.
Why wouldn't he join United or even Liverpool?
Why would he join United or even Liverpool would be a more interesting question.
Because we're both much bigger clubs than Spurs - the biggest clubs in England. Same reason he joined you lot when he was at Southampton.
It's not the reason he joined Spurs from Southampton.
Why did he join Spurs then? Apart from the obvious hike in wages.
I'm not saying those clubs would click their fingers and Poch would come running, far from it, but to suggest that he would never come to United, a club every manager in the world would love to have, is preposterous.
That's insufficient reason for him to abandon what he's building at Spurs: a very good squad that will likely only get better due it's young average age. Not to mention a fantastic new stadium to look forward to.
Simple as that is it? Must be inevitable he will go to Liverpool or Utd then, I guess when you take all our best players as well that is inevitable too. Comments like that made and there is a thread on the forum asking why rival fans dislike Utd. Insight not too strong.
Read what I've written, not what you've just taken from thin air. Look at my previous post.
So you think me stating facts that we're a bigger club than Spurs is why fans hate us? Ok. Come on, you don't really think he'd only join Madrid.
Now this is a better point. I agree, it is a very good young squad but the same thing could have been said for him at Southampton. He had a very good young squad playing some brilliant football and yet he still left. To think he'd only leave Spurs to join Real is extremely naive imo.
One obvious reason why he would join United is simply we have access to a higher quality of player than Spurs do. We're capable of spending vast sums of money to bring in some of the best players in the world. Pochettino would have a platform to actually win trophies at United which at Spurs doesn't look likely.
It's a pointless argument anyway, given that none of us actually know Pochettino its impossible to know what his feelings on United/Liverpool are. Plus neither club has offered him a job or looks likely to in the near future.
It's a pointless argument anyway, given that none of us actually know Pochettino its impossible to know what his feelings on United/Liverpool are. Plus neither club has offered him a job or looks likely to in the near future.
The squad at Spurs was better than Southampton's at the time he left them to join Spurs. And besides, he knew that most of Southampton's better players would be cherry-picked away ... as indeed happened.
At Spurs, in contrast, I imagine that Levy told him that Berbatov was the last star player to be sold to a Prem rival, that that was years ago and wouldn't - as a matter of club policy - ever happen again ... which it hasn't in all the more than eight years since Berbatov's sale.
So he moved to a club with a better squad (and with state-of-the art new training facilities), that he knew he could build up without losing key players to Prem rivals.
I haven't said that he would only leave for RM in the future, although that would be by far the most likely destination if his credibility continues to rise. But he currently has insufficient reason to want to abandon Spurs for the likes of Man. United or Liverpool ... and plenty of good reasons to stay at Spurs for the foreseeable future.
He only left Southampton because of changes behind the scenes at that club - if that had not happened there is a decent chance he could still be there.
You confuse big spending with higher quality, when often the result is otherwise. The current United squad, despite your vast spending since Fergie left, is not better than that which Spurs now have. Moreover, the Spurs squad is likely to get better still without spending vast sums ... simply because of it's young average age.
He left Sunderland because a bigger club than Sunderland, who can offer him better players, better wages and better chance of winning trophies got interested on him. It is not rocket science, it happens all the time. A manager does well, a bigger/richer club goes for him, he resigns and goes to the bigger club.
Unless you truly believe that Pochetino is out of the system and is an idealist who is more interested in other things. I mean, it is possible, someone might say that for Bielsa (although I don't think that he got ever offered a contract for a top club), but it is very difficult to happen.
In addition, getting a manager from some other club is no way as hard as getting a player. If manager wants to leave, no club owner would stand on his way. With the players it is quite more easy to stop them from leaving. It is also the main reason why hiring a manager costs next to nothing in transfer fees, while players cost so much.
From what is worth, I have no idea what Pochetino wants to do and neither have you. But, it would be weird if he would refuse to go to a club with much bigger resources and which pays much better than Spurs given the chance. It doesn't have to be United of course. Any club who can give him a lot more money to spend in transfers, wages and pay him better should do.
Didn't Everton fans were claiming the same thing about Moyes not long ago? That he is loyal, interested in project, etc. It is for most part irrational to think that way. In any profession, if you get a better chance (both in status and wage) you make the switch. Simple as that.
He left Southampton due to the departure of Nicola Cortese who took him to Southampton in the first place. Poch and Cortese had a very close working relationship and Poch trusted him with running the club. When Cortese and the owner fell out Cortese resigned in the Janyary and Poch immediately went to resign as well. Cortese convinced him to stay but Poch made it clear he would be off in the Summer, Spurs come in and the rest is history.
As a personal opinion I don't think Poch would leave Spurs for another Englush club, he has a project going there and is hand on in everything including the academy. He always says how much he and his family love London and that football should never be about how much money you can earn.
I would definitely bet on Poch still being at Spurs at least 3-5 years from now. Some managers are suited to the philosophy of some clubs and Pochettino/Tottenham are very well suited.
There has been absolutely no evidence of him wanting to leave Spurs though - in fact any evidence there is about how he feels points in the opposite direction, in that he sees Spurs as an ongoing project and he is looking forward to the new stadium etc.
Despite all this there is the distinct attitude amongst some on this forum that he would instantly leave us and move to Utd if they snapped their fingers - not saying this is you but some have pretty much said this. Not only is that complete arrogance but it is also not based on any reality or evidence whatsoever. It is laughable yet we have to read the same nonsense over and over again - not only that some in the media talk that way also. It is infuriating. Poch will leave Spurs at some point, that is inevitable of course but all the signs we have right now would point to a move to Spain and not anytime in the near future. Not only that, we have constant chat (again not about you but others on the forum) about the players Utd should sign from Spurs - Alli/Kane/Walker, etc. etc. talking as if they have a divine right to sign these players because they are Man Utd.
Not everything is always about more money, or all of the top managers and players will be off to China in the Summer.
Pochettino leaving Southampton was nothing to do with more money or a bigger club, it was a point of principle.
Here we are in January 2017, and old men Defoe and Crouch are outscoring him. #foresight
If you have a good manager and good players other clubs will be after them, it's a fact of life and it's a good thing that clubs will be sniffing and supporters talking.
We can always go back to being poor and then nobody will want our players but we'll sleep better, no thanks.
I have no problem with other clubs coveting our players or manager - what I do have a problem with is certain fans of certain clubs just assuming that they can get that manager or those players at the drop of a hat because they are a 'big club' and become offended if you dare to suggest that actually those same players or manager might be happy where they are, at least for the next few years.
Or Chelsea, City, Dortmund, Juventus, Atletico, PSG, Bayern...
Seems strange to suggest Real Madrid are his only suitor when there are at least 10 more prestigious clubs and the average tenure of a manager is probably somewhere around the 2 year mark. Add into this the fact that finances are heavily restricted (they've spent a net of £0 in 5 years, which I'm sure will somewhat continue). I know managers often request more funds if team performances start to drop; if those funds aren't there he could easily resign to avoid his reputation being harmed.
I can easily see a situation where Spurs' performances dip for a period of time. They are heavily reliant on 3-4 players whereby a long term injury or two would devastate them; they have a very thin squad; they have a young squad who're naturally more prone to dips in form; they play a style of Football that is physically demanding; they're moving to a new pitch/stadium; they don't have the the finances to heavily invest. If this dip happens it would be normal for Pochettino to look to the transfer market. I think something which has been overlooked is Pochettino's reliance on selling fringe players and reducing Spurs' squad size in order to bring money in to finance purchases. He sold fringe players who weren't good enough for c.£115m (Noughton £5m, Sandro £6m, Falque £5m, Chiriches £4.5m, Dawson £3.5m, Livermore £8m, Townsend £12m, Lennon £4.5m, Soldado £10m, Kaboul £3m, Capoue £7m, Holtby £4.5m, Paulinho £9m, Mason £10m, Pritchard £8m & Chadli £13m).
This allowed him to buy Alli £5m, Dier £4m, Son £22m, Alderwiereld £11.5m, Wimmer £4.5m, Tripper £3.5m, Sissoko £30m, Janssen £17m, Wanyama £11m, N'koudo £11m, N'Jie £12m. Obviously that's a fantastic job in increasing the quality of the squad without having to spend anything out of the club coffers. However where does he go from here; if the money isn't available and he can't balance the books by selling squad players, he may end up at odds with the board.
You look at their squad now and I can't see where they are going to raise anything like this level of funds required to keep the squad fresh. You also look at the drop off in quality after their first XI and see it requiring serious improvement (United's bench vs West Ham was Mata, Martial, Smalling, Rashford, Fellaini, Young whereas Spurs' vs Chelsea was Son, Sissoko, Trippier, Wimmer, Winks, Davies).
Do Spurs fans believe this is a worry? Who will be sold this Summer and will the transfer budget then to sufficient for Pochettino to stay happy? I'd guess the likes of N'jie, Bentaleb, Fazio, Carroll etc will leave?
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But that's the very nature of football fans, I look at some players at clubs lower down and think we could surely get him if we wanted.
It doesn't mean that there's the slightest bit of truth in it, more often than not it's purely wishful thinking.
I can guarantee you the other top 5 clubs in the PL given half the chance would be all over our players, as all of our regulars would improve at least one or more of the other top 5 teams and in some cases would improve all of them.
The good news is it's not going to happen. These days the top teams are largely resigned to improving from abroad, unless they can find a Dele Alli or bring through their own.
There has also been no evidence that a bigger club than Spurs has been interested on him. So, of course that until that happen, we cannot know what Poch wants to do.
However, there has always been the same patter. Promising manager goes well, promising manager gets a better offer, promising manager leaves. Pochetino doesn't have some special relation with Spurs, so I would find hard to believe that he would refuse to double/triple his wages, transfer warchest and wages of the players (i.e make him possible to get better player) if the chance comes. I am not saying that it cannot happen (he might appreciate the stability of Spurs etc), but you don't see that type of stories to often.
The problem of China is that they offer just money, nothing else. A Manchester United, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid calling means that not only he gets more money, but also more chance of winning trophies, considering that all those clubs have a lot more money than Spurs, and so the opportunity to get better players, while at the same time not having a culture shock (like it would be the case of China).
Lets hope that some bigger club than Spurs make him an offer (I hope it isn't United cause I rate Mourinho much higher than him) and see what happens.
The United squad is better than Spurs' beyond your good starting eleven your squad is limited. That's not to mention that you rely far too heavily on a certain couple of players.
Yeah those 4 mentioned will be gone I would expect - we will likely look to bring in one or two players but that's probably it. Poch seems to be the type of coach who wants to develop the players he has by working hard on the training pitch rather than spending tons of cash on new players each year. This is the main reason Levy wanted him and now loves him.
You can rule most if that top lot out as Poch is undoubtedly a PL and La Liga man and there's literally no chance of him going to Chelsea, and seriously to Londoners Chelsea aren't and never will be a big football club, Abramovich's I'll gotten gains will never change that.
Regarding the bench, it's a striker short, the rest I don't see a problem, we are improving from last season with largely the same squad, only Wanyana has been a key addition and Harry Winks is emerging fast meaning I don't think we need a CM this summer. We need a new striker and a new wide player, for the PL we aren't far short anywhere else, IMHO we have the best pair of FB's or WB's they can do both and I'm very happy with our GK and CB options.
There seems to be a hang up on here that everything is about money, whilst it's massively important it isn't everything. Pochettino is involved in a project and he's doing an amazing job, I don't see him walking away from that project anytime soon.
He's spent £150m over the last 3 seasons, so I think your description is a little bit off. Naturally this has been offset by the mass clear-out of squad players, but I can certainly see some area's he'll want to improve so I'd be surprised if Pochettino was happy with a single signing (or two).
I'm sure an Argentinian footballer who played in France and Spain would be far more likely to have heard of Chelsea than Tottenham (or Southampton). I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility to think he might consider a job where he'd have a far higher budget and double the salary without having to move location. Likewise a club like Bayern or Juventus would no doubt be incredibly attractive, no matter what kind of "man" he is.
I agree you need a couple of attacking purchases; I'd also say that an attacking full back is required to cover for Rose/Walker, as their backups are a huge drop in ability, particularly in an attacking sense. Possibly a centre back also (particularly if he wants to continue with his 3 at the back)? My post was regarding whether he'll have the funds to bring in the caliber of player he see's as necessary for the continued improvement of the squad.
Fazio is already gone, his loan is now a permanent deal.
Bentaleb will turn his loan move into a permanent deal in the summer for £17m, that's contractual.
Carroll was given a 2 year extension in the Summer so that we could get a fee for him. He will definitely go in the Sumner but might go this month, Swansea could come back for him or maybe even one of the North East clubs.
N'Jie should join Marseille permanently in the summer but some reports from France have been questioning his attitude to the loan so it will probably depend on the detail in his loan contract.
As for others:
I expect to see Ben Davies go this summer, he's got no chance of ousting Danny Rose and his career is stagnating. We could still get good money for him this summer but another year will make that more difficult.
Janssen will probably go and we will cut our losses, it's not going to work despite his young age.
Will probably bring in close to £50m
We will need a striker, a wide forward and a new LB cover. That's my tippence worth, and it's probably completely wrong
Bentaleb will turn his loan move into a permanent deal in the summer for £17m, that's contractual.
Carroll was given a 2 year extension in the Summer so that we could get a fee for him. He will definitely go in the Sumner but might go this month, Swansea could come back for him or maybe even one of the North East clubs.
N'Jie should join Marseille permanently in the summer but some reports from France have been questioning his attitude to the loan so it will probably depend on the detail in his loan contract.
As for others:
I expect to see Ben Davies go this summer, he's got no chance of ousting Danny Rose and his career is stagnating. We could still get good money for him this summer but another year will make that more difficult.
Janssen will probably go and we will cut our losses, it's not going to work despite his young age.
Will probably bring in close to £50m
We will need a striker, a wide forward and a new LB cover. That's my tippence worth, and it's probably completely wrong
It's not Bayern or Juventus as clubs I just don't see MP going to either of those leagues. He's an Argebtine born in Argentina and is the age when Spurs were popular in Argentina due to Ardiles and Villa, he would have known of Spurs long before Chelsea.
Regarding players, Trippier is excellent cover for Walker but see my previous post re Ben Davies.
CB's we have Toby, Vertonghen, Dier, Wimmer and CCV who I think will get more and more opportunities, I already think he's better than Wimmer, who is pretty decent himself. Poch likes young players and CCV will IMHO be are gulag within 18 months even though he's only just turned 19, so very young for a CB.
It's the front areas that we need to look at most.
In fairness I'm pretty sure the exact same critique could be made of United currently.
You've got some great names for sure, but just look at how you perform with/without Carrick for example.
I hadn't thought about it like that. With that in mind and adding on the 7 years to the post from August 7th 2013 about Spurs becoming premier league champions, everyone might as well take the 2020/21 season off as Spurs will be champions no matter what.
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