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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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This video at 7:55

Look at how Walker is always involved. He has to be one of the dirtiest players in the world. Scumbag.
 
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VP89 said:
There wasn't enough intent to bring him down. It was more of a stumble that caused the foul.

The rules have changed this year to fouling with intent as last man.
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He deliberately grabs his arm (outside of the box and pulls him back), without that he was gone, the new rules don't affect this type of action, the stumble came after. It was 100% a sending off, Dean got that bit right.

However it wasn't a penalty although most pundits seem to disagree which I find strange.
 
africanspur said:
Exactly. Alli has contributed 16 goals and 10 assists in 50 premier league matches. And he's 20.

As a comparison, Lampard didn't reach double figures in the league until his 10th season, Gerrard not until his 8th.

I'm not saying that he's the same type of player as those two or he's as good as blah blah. But its hardly surprising that an English sports channel would 'cream themselves' over an English player in an English team in the English league racking up stats not usually seen by players of his age in one of the better teams in the league.

What exactly are they allowed to get excited about?
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Had a debate in the Pogba thread about this but scoring goals has become too crude an act for some purists. I tend to think that's the point that of the game and any midfielder who gets those type of figures is worth his weight in gold.

Pundits exaggerate everything, it's part of the job now, I don't know what why fans continue to get so wound up by it.
 
As much as I dislike Spurs, they have been annoyingly good at picking up results over the past two seasons.

I mean that game against West Ham was simply ridiculous.
 
lem8sh said:
No it is not daming, the pompous shit cannot hide his delight at his use of the advantage rule leading to a goal. Was actually decent refereeing. To genuinely believe Mike Dean celebrated a Spurs goal is frankly absurd in my opinion.
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Probably, but I've always sort of hated Mike Dean so I can't really be bothered to exercise impartiality here. He's a Spurs fan in my opinion.
 
I don't think they'll finish in the top 4, but that shouldn't necessarily mean a bad season for them. Think they will beat last seasons points total.

Spurs are strong and will push the top 4 all the way (if not get it themselves), but I expect their results against the bigger teams to hinder them. I think ourselves, Chelsea and Liverpool will beat them. Arsenal game is the derby so anything can happen I guess.
 
lem8sh said:
No it is not damning, the pompous shit cannot hide his delight at his use of the advantage rule leading to a goal. Was actually decent refereeing. To genuinely believe Mike Dean celebrated a Spurs goal is frankly absurd in my opinion.
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So what about the second goal in that clip? Where's the 'advantage' there? Why is he willing it in and celebrating once it goes in?
 
SirHenryPercy said:
He deliberately grabs his arm (outside of the box and pulls him back), without that he was gone, the new rules don't affect this type of action, the stumble came after. It was 100% a sending off, Dean got that bit right.

However it wasn't a penalty although most pundits seem to disagree which I find strange.
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He certainly didn't pull him back enough to bring him down - sending off for that is terribly harsh and a wrong decision. There was never an intent to bring the player down and therefore not a red card. If you're suggesting contact through a soft arm drag is a red card offence, there would be sending offs every week.
 
VanGaalEra said:
So what about the second goal in that clip? Where's the 'advantage' there? Why is he willing it in and celebrating once it goes in?
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Are you for real? As I said earlier if you genuinely believe Dean celebrates Spurs goals and would still be allowed referee in the Premier League you are insane. There are tonnes of videos of Deans mannerisms over the years, one actually shows him throw his hands in the air in disgust when Swansea lose the ball against us at Old Trafford. Doesn't make him a Swansea fan now does it?
 
lem8sh said:
Are you for real? As I said earlier if you genuinely believe Dean celebrates Spurs goals and would still be allowed referee in the Premier League you are insane. There are tonnes of videos of Deans mannerisms over the years, one actually shows him throw his hands in the air in disgust when Swansea lose the ball against us at Old Trafford. Doesn't make him a Swansea fan now does it?
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Sure, if you can show me him celebrating the goals of other teams, I'll accept I was wrong.
 
lem8sh said:
The burden of proof is on you ffs :lol: Not rocket science we are dealing with here.
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Unless there's a jury here and a judge, ive provided my 'proof', you've provided feck all.

You said there were tonnes of videos of Dean and his mannerisms, you're yet to provide one of him celebrating teams goals.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Unless there's a jury here and a judge, ive provided my 'proof', you've provided feck all.

You said there were tonnes of videos of Dean and his mannerisms, you're yet to provide one of him celebrating teams goals.
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Neither have you for feck sake, at this stage I have no idea are you wumming or genuinely thick. You stating that the earlier clip is guaranteed proof that Mike Dean was "celebrating other teams goals" doesn't make it fact. It is your opinion, an insane opinion.
 
lem8sh said:
Neither have you for feck sake, at this stage I have no idea are you wumming or genuinely thick. You stating that the earlier clip is guaranteed proof that Mike Dean was "celebrating other teams goals" doesn't make it fact. It is your opinion, an insane opinion.
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He's celebrating more than I've celebrated goals ffs, you're either thick or blind. Take your pick.

Anyway, this is the Spurs thread. This is sidetracking away from it.
 
VanGaalEra said:
So what about the second goal in that clip? Where's the 'advantage' there? Why is he willing it in and celebrating once it goes in?
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To me it looks like he's waiting for the ball to go in and preparing to head back. Celebrating can look exactly like what he did, but I don't think he would be dumb enough to risk doing something like that.
 
Janson said:
To me it looks like he's waiting for the ball to go in and preparing to head back. Celebrating can look exactly like what he did, but I don't think he would be dumb enough to risk doing something like that.
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Of course, he wouldn't. No referee is that daft.
 
Santi_Mesut_Alexis_87 said:
Why? He exactly wants Tottenham to play in this way. It's a myth they are team who play nice football.
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Yes I know that. Playing dirty must be team instructions or something. That's why I'm not really a fan of him; telling players to go out and hurt the opposition is nothing to praise.
 
Theafonis said:
Yes I know that. Playing dirty must be team instructions or something. That's why I'm not really a fan of him; telling players to go out and hurt the opposition is nothing to praise.
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You honestly believe our players are being told to go out and hurt the opposition? Seriously? Do you realise how ridiculous that is?
 
Theafonis said:
Yes I know that. Playing dirty must be team instructions or something. That's why I'm not really a fan of him; telling players to go out and hurt the opposition is nothing to praise.
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I quite rated him until i saw what they did against Chelsea last season. They deliberately wanted to hurt their opponents.
 
balaks said:
You honestly believe our players are being told to go out and hurt the opposition? Seriously? Do you realise how ridiculous that is?
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I don't think it's that outrageous. I doubt Pochettino is instructing them to actually injure players, but I wouldn't say it's crazy to believe he encourages physicality, looks for it in players and views it as a positive characteristic of a team.

I also don't have a problem with Tottenham being a physical side. It's a part of the game and outside of the Chelsea game which was just an emotional reaction, I don't feel anything they've done is dirty as much as it's an attempt to get under an opponent's skin and disrupt them mentally and physically.
 
Committing a lot of fouls doesn't make a team dirty. Physical, yes. You might even say unorganized or sloppy. But not dirty or malicious.

Committing a lot of yellow and red card offenses, on the other hand, is a much better indicator of maliciousness or dirty play. As has already been pointed out, Spurs are 12th when it comes to yellows (35) and are one of 8 teams with no red cards.

According to these stats the dirtiest teams in the league are Watford (42 yellows, 3 reds), Sunderland (39, 3), City (35, 3) and United (43, 1).

To be fair, The Mike Dean factor is not accounted for in all of this...
 
Theafonis said:
Yes I know that. Playing dirty must be team instructions or something. That's why I'm not really a fan of him; telling players to go out and hurt the opposition is nothing to praise.
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You must not have seen this from earlier:

The team with the most yellow cards this season? Man. Utd (43). Spurs rank 12th (35).
The team the most red cards this season? Man. City (3). Spurs have none.
 
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