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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Uphill battle to progress to the knockouts now for them. This game was almost a must-not-lose for spurs to have a decent chance of making it through.

They must now win the remaining home games and not lose any of the away games to have a chance of making it through. Dont see them winning any of the away games.
 
It's not easy playing your home games in the PL on a pitch with different dimensions to the one you're going to play in the CL on.

WHL being a small pitch would have helped them and the atmosphere would have been better.
 
It's not easy playing your home games in the PL on a pitch with different dimensions to the one you're going to play in the CL on.

WHL being a small pitch would have helped them and the atmosphere would have been better.

Yeah, there was no sustaining of any pressure on Monaco tonight. All too comfortable for the plucky French underdogs.
 
Not only that, you have the same scores (almost). This is witchcraft:

16/17:
Everton a D1-1
Crystal Palace h W1-0
Liverpool h D1-1
Stoke City a W4-0

15/16:
Everton a D1-1
Crystal Palace h W1-0
Liverpool h D0-0
Stoke City a W4-0

(Which means that Spurs are well on their way to getting the same points total as last season, which at the very best gets them a 4th place most previous PL seasons, last year's insane season being a very rare exception.)

I'm not sure 4 games counts as "well on their way", but it's a good start to the league season for Spurs. Now we have to pick ourselves up from losing tonight and go thrash Sunderland next match at WHL.
 
Well atleast they made a lot of money off ticket sales.

Not bad pulling in 85k but surely they had to pay rent or % of sales

And despite the atmosphere and expectation created by a record-breaking crowd of 85,011 - the highest ever home attendance for an English club - Spurs failed to rise to the occasion and paid the price for first-half sloppiness in defence.

Spurs fans packed into Wembley, the attendance of 85,011 a new "home" record attendance for the Londoners, the highest English club "home" attendance and highest "home" Champions League attendance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37331296
 
What was the point in playing their Champions League games at Wembley? Purely for the gate receipts or is there more to it?
 
What was the point in playing their Champions League games at Wembley? Purely for the gate receipts or is there more to it?

The construction of their new ground means WHL is under limitations. Renting out Wembley. Official statement:

in order to meet UEFA requirements, which will be impacted by the works in and around the current stadium affecting access, capacity and rights delivery.

Next season all Spurs home games are at Wembley.
 
The construction of their new ground means WHL is under limitations. Renting out Wembley. Official statement:



Next season all Spurs home games are at Wembley.
I see. I knew they'd be playing their games there next season, didn't realise there were restrictions this season too.
 
I'm not sure 4 games counts as "well on their way", but it's a good start to the league season for Spurs. Now we have to pick ourselves up from losing tonight and go thrash Sunderland next match at WHL.

Big game Saturday, we still look in a bit of pre-season mode, some players, Kane in particular look quite heavy legged.

We started way too cautiously tonight and took took a 40 minutes to get going. Overall the other game being a draw done us a favour, still think we'll be alright in this group.
 
Think they'll finish 3rd and go in the Europa league. Losing at home in the group stage is always potentially costly, as when you look at all 4 teams, there is basically no difference between what most would consider the best and worst team in that group. Every game is 50/50 so Spurs are up against it a bit I think.
 
That spurs team just lacks any sort of guile. playing a defender in midfield was never going to work and it didn't. While they should've addressed that in the summer they didn't. They looked much better when Dembele came on. Also as ive said before, some of these spurs players just aren't all that good. Eriksen and Lamela are not the sort of players needed to make a serious splash in the CL.
 
That spurs team just lacks any sort of guile. playing a defender in midfield was never going to work and it didn't. While they should've addressed that in the summer they didn't. They looked much better when Dembele came on. Also as ive said before, some of these spurs players just aren't all that good. Eriksen and Lamela are not the sort of players needed to make a serious splash in the CL.

You are underrating Eriksen a bit too much, he is probably their 2nd or 3rd best player. Their main problem is that they don't have a guy who can produce magical moments.....We have Martial who can go past 1-2 players and produce an assist/goal Arsenal have Sanchez, Chelsea have Hazard, Leicester have Mahrez and City have Aguero and De Bruyne. I think Lamela was suppose to be that guy but he has not reached that point. They also don't have any genuine winger to make things like that happen.
 
Do people just wait until Spurs lose to come in and trash the players and then dive back into the woodwork or what?
 
You are underrating Eriksen a bit too much, he is probably their 2nd or 3rd best player. Their main problem is that they don't have a guy who can produce magical moments.....We have Martial who can go past 1-2 players and produce an assist/goal Arsenal have Sanchez, Chelsea have Hazard, Leicester have Mahrez and City have Aguero and De Bruyne. I think Lamela was suppose to be that guy but he has not reached that point. They also don't have any genuine winger to make things like that happen.

I agree to a certain extent however on the point about wingers, well we do not play with wingers (at least not in the traditional sense) so it is a moot point. We do have the likes of Alli who potentially is the player we turn to for magical moments but he is still learning his trade and not in great form right now. I'm hoping NKoudou and Sissoko will be players who can burst past people with their speed which will give us a badly needed other dimension to our attacking play which is sorely lacking at the moment. Without that ability to go past a player and move the ball forward quickly we really struggle to create chances particularly against teams set-up to defend. Our achillies heel tbh.
 
That spurs team just lacks any sort of guile. playing a defender in midfield was never going to work and it didn't. While they should've addressed that in the summer they didn't. They looked much better when Dembele came on. Also as ive said before, some of these spurs players just aren't all that good. Eriksen and Lamela are not the sort of players needed to make a serious splash in the CL.

Dier had a poor game, no doubt about that although mostly he has been superb in midfield for us so one poor game does not define him as a player - I'm sure you would agree with that.

Dembele is obviously an important player for us - your opinion on Eriksen and Lamela are not what I would agree with - I think both are certainly of the required level to play CL football although admitably neither are in great form right now (nor is the entire team imo - we look sluggish and havent shrugged off the disappointment of the last few games of the previous season. They need to sort it out quickly).
 
I agree to a certain extent however on the point about wingers, well we do not play with wingers (at least not in the traditional sense) so it is a moot point. We do have the likes of Alli who potentially is the player we turn to for magical moments but he is still learning his trade and not in great form right now. I'm hoping NKoudou and Sissoko will be players who can burst past people with their speed which will give us a badly needed other dimension to our attacking play which is sorely lacking at the moment. Without that ability to go past a player and move the ball forward quickly we really struggle to create chances particularly against teams set-up to defend. Our achillies heel tbh.

That's why I suggested a winger because any winger worth his salt should be able to go past people, I don't know much about Nkoudou but I trust that Sissoko can give you that with his pace and power. I also feel like right now you guys are a really good team and play well as a team but you are missing that special talent and I am sure you remember what a guy like Bale can do for a team. Alli can develop into that type of player but you guys needed someone like that this summer to take you up another level.
 
IMO Eriksen is Spurs best player, I don't think he would look out of sorts in a CL team either.
 
I agree to a certain extent however on the point about wingers, well we do not play with wingers (at least not in the traditional sense) so it is a moot point. We do have the likes of Alli who potentially is the player we turn to for magical moments but he is still learning his trade and not in great form right now. I'm hoping NKoudou and Sissoko will be players who can burst past people with their speed which will give us a badly needed other dimension to our attacking play which is sorely lacking at the moment. Without that ability to go past a player and move the ball forward quickly we really struggle to create chances particularly against teams set-up to defend. Our achillies heel tbh.

Our 3 behind the striker aren't the problem, only City scored more goals than us last season, and that was only 2 more. With the players we've added we should in theory score more goals this season.

Our actual attacking problems right now are centred around Harry Kane, in truth he is struggling very badly to find any sort of form and not just in terms of scoring goals, when we are playing well it's not just his goals but we build off of him. Worryingly he looks completely physically shot right now, no break at all for the best part of 3 years is looking to have caught up with him. Poch needs to seriously look at giving him a proper break and rest so that he can come back reinvigorated. I'd be pulling an injury problem out of the bag and sending him away for 2-3 weeks to do nothing.
 
Away to Moscow next, which is never a very favourable trip.

Will have to win at one of the away games to hope to progress.
 
Dier had a poor game, no doubt about that although mostly he has been superb in midfield for us so one poor game does not define him as a player - I'm sure you would agree with that.

Dembele is obviously an important player for us - your opinion on Eriksen and Lamela are not what I would agree with - I think both are certainly of the required level to play CL football although admitably neither are in great form right now (nor is the entire team imo - we look sluggish and havent shrugged off the disappointment of the last few games of the previous season. They need to sort it out quickly).

Dier isn't a defender per se anyway, he come through at Sporting as a CB/DM player and indeed appeared for Sporting as a DM. It's just when he come to England people automatically assumed he would be a CB.
 
Our 3 behind the striker aren't the problem, only City scored more goals than us last season, and that was only 2 more. With the players we've added we should in theory score more goals this season.

Our actual attacking problems right now are centred around Harry Kane, in truth he is struggling very badly to find any sort of form and not just in terms of scoring goals, when we are playing well it's not just his goals but we build off of him. Worryingly he looks completely physically shot right now, no break at all for the best part of 3 years is looking to have caught up with him. Poch needs to seriously look at giving him a proper break and rest so that he can come back reinvigorated. I'd be pulling an injury problem out of the bag and sending him away for 2-3 weeks to do nothing.

He's usually a slow starter so it's not surprising. Janssen is the same type from what I see but by the looks of it needs to adjust to the PL.
 
IMO Eriksen is Spurs best player, I don't think he would look out of sorts in a CL team either.
I think he is their most important, it's no surprise to me that when he isn't playing well or injured Kane has dry spells, Kane can finish but he needs eriksen, without him he's just another ok striker
 
I know :lol:

Stranger things have happened! Spurs for the UCL!
Well Leicester won the title last year which is probably bigger upset (38 games - compared to a cup competition).

But with that start they are already at the back foot. The group isn't all that so it's pretty early on.
 
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Well Leicester won the title last year which is probably bigger upset (38 games - compared to a cup competition).

But with that start they are already at the back foot. The group isn't all that back so it's pretty early on.
Indeed. They're on the back foot now, especially with a defeat at "home".
 
The thing is Monaco's home stadium is hardly a big atmosphere, Spurs could easily go there and turn them over aswell. I didn't see the game but by the looks of the highlights Monaco got 2 chances and scored. Maybe they took them too lightly as they have some great young forwards (minus falcao)
 
I would really like to make fun of Spurs after yesterdays result, but even a loss in the CL is better than no CL at all :(
 
I only saw the first 45. Spurs were OK, not great but decent going forward. However, they were a calamity at the back. Vertonghen was really poor for the first goal.
 
Eriksen can certainly play, I've seen do some really good stuff. Maybe he feels slightly sidelined from main playmaker by Delle Alli.

I have Lamela placed somewhere between poor & hopeless. He cannot be the answer to any sensible question.

Will the new ground have a new (sponsors) name or still be WHL, fans will call it WHL still presumably
 
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