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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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GlastonSpur said:
He says "Re-negotiation", which suggests he means with Newcastle, with whom the original negotiation took place. It wouldn't seem to refer to some new negotiation between Spurs and some new club that Spurs might sell to. And in any case, what you've said would still leave Newcastle relying on this new club (and not Spurs) to pay the remainder to them.

All in all, it doesn't seem like a very normal deal to me.
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Nope I meant Spurs would negotiate with Newcastle so that the buying club could pay whatever was owed in whatever instalments suit them.

Let's say Sissoko flops massively and Spurs are desperate to get rid next summer. His value will likely be around £10m.

At that point Spurs will have paid £12m to Newcastle. Newcastle aren't just going to say forget the rest of the £18m. Spurs will cough it up or the buying club will The terms of the installments will probably just change.
 
Mike09 said:
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Again another excuse.
The fact that you can't accept the reality that you are making excuse is considered to be an excuse to defend something which is wrong.
The fact that you said "we have carried out a transfer strategy that Pochettino has wanted this summer" after a reality has shown that you did a panic buy by spent £30m on a player like Sissoko during the final day of transfer window.
The fact that you are still arguing with someone about £30m is not a normal fees in today's market especially after what Everton, Liverpool, Spurs and Palace just did.
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I'm done with you, your incoherent rambling and your inability to understand what the word "excuse" actually means. You're going on my ignore list - which means I don't consider you worthy of further response. Adios.
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, even tho' you are now saying "relatively" normal compared to your previous assertion. The average fee paid across all players signed by Prem clubs will be far, far lower. There has been an increased incidence of £30+m fees, yes, but that doesn't make it normal.
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You are seriously stubborn.

shaggy said:
Counted 16 £25+ million transfers this summer in the prem, compared to 8 last summer. Seems a pretty normal fee to me now, West Brom were quoting £30 million for Evans ffs.
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See above. 16 transfer at £25m and above. That's nearly one for every club in the league.

That makes it "normal".
 
Im genuinely lol'ing at the people trying to wind up @GlastonSpur. You certainly attract some people on the wind up. The little i have read in this thread seems to be sensible on your part. However...
GlastonSpur said:
This still doesn't really square with what the journo has written. You talk about if "you still owe a whack to Newcastle when you have to flog him".

But he talks about "re-negotiation" at that point. And nor is it normal for a selling club to agree to rely on some other club - a club of unknown identity and probity - to pay any remaining instalments. What if they renege or go bust? But if you have no contract with them, what could you ever do about it?

I don't pretend to understand what this deal involves, but clearly it isn't normal.
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I think you're wishing this deal wasn't normal in regards to how much you will have to pay Newcastle. What makes it unlikely for me is that this was a last minute transfer, completed minutes before the deadline. I doubt there was time for this level of negotiation if Newcastle had already accepted a £30m bid from Everton. It's more likely Levy just accepted what Newcastle wanted at this late stage after being outbid and you're just taking the word of one journalist in a sea of transfer mess. He's probably after clicks knowing his take on things is slightly more controversial compared to the more mundane "Spurs pay £30m for Sissoko".

Its also not the end of the world. Out of any manager in the prem I would trust Poch as much as anybody. He obviously likes him so that would be good enough for me as a fan. £30m isn't that out of the park when you consider what other players have been bought and sold for in this window. And he did have a good Euros in my book. Shows a poor attitude yes but can you blame him at a joke of a club like Newcastle. I expect much better at a club like Spurs but in truth it doesn't bode too well for the future should he get tapped up by a bigger club, or vica versa find himself on the outskirts of the first team and being unable to sell him on etc.

Lastly. Yes he is a midfielder :lol: just an attacking one at that.
 
GlastonSpur said:
One thing to note is that, according to Tom Collomose of the London Evening Standard, the payments are in five instalments of £6m, but the deal is structured so that the full amount will be paid only if he stays for the duration of his five-year contract, which is not likely: http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...-mauricio-pochettino-wanted-the-a3334451.html
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So they could sell him next year for £20m and only have to pay Newcastle £6m? That's utter nonsense.
 
KingMinger22 said:
@GlastonSpur

Now that even the likes of Spurs, Palace, Leicester and Everton are signing players around the £30m mark, do you now accept that that is relatively "normal" fee in 2016?
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Well said. You will get the denial responses but most fans know you are right. Average players are going for £30m now
 
GlastonSpur said:
No, even tho' you are now saying "relatively" normal compared to your previous assertion. The average fee paid across all players signed by Prem clubs will be far, far lower. There has been an increased incidence of £30+m fees, yes, but that doesn't make it normal.
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He wasn't really talking about 'average' if you mean a mathematical mean average. He was talking about whether it's 'normal' i.e. pretty common. Which it now is.

Welcome to the £30m for an about average player club. :)
 
djdhrubs said:
He wasn't really talking about 'average' if you mean a mathematical mean average. He was talking about whether it's 'normal' i.e. pretty common. Which it now is.

Welcome to the £30m for an about average player club. :)
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The current trends do seem to suggest that £30m is what clubs pay for average players now. Can't argue with the trends.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He didn't clear it. He went on to say (on Twitter):

@TomCStandard this 6 mill a year is for full amount yeah and not if he leaves we stop paying? Surely that's not right?

His reply: @pokeefe1 No, but clearly it would be renegotiated if he did leave. Ie, they sell him to Marseille, that would be part of renegotiation so you don't carry on paying for him if he leaves.
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That's a regular transfer. If you sell him after 2 years then you'll pay 12 million rest will be paid by the money you get from selling him. If you sell him for just 6 million then spurs will end up paying 24 million and the other club 6 million.

It's like saying we paid only 15 million for Di Maria as PSG paid the remaining 43 million.

Also for example if you sell him after 2 years for say 18 million then buying club pays 18 million to newcastle and spurs get 0. Total spent on transfer is 12 million.

You buy him for 30 million and sell him for 18 million, then you get 18 million and the total spent on transfer by spurs is 12 million. There is no difference. This is how every transfer works. You sell and pay from the money you get. It's on spurs to sell him for big money to cover the 30 million.
 
KingMinger22 said:
You are seriously stubborn.

See above. 16 transfer at £25m and above. That's nearly one for every club in the league.

That makes it "normal".
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You are reducing your claim with each post. First it was £30m+, now the threshold is apparently down to £25m+ ... I guess because you couldn't find that many at 30m+

And that's 16 Prem transfers - at your now-reduced threshold - out of how many ins? My guess is around one hundred.

If the average height of 100 people is 5' 9", but 16 of them are 6' 2" ... that doesn't make 6' 2" the normal height.
 
iammemphis said:
Im genuinely lol'ing at the people trying to wind up @GlastonSpur. You certainly attract some people on the wind up. The little i have read in this thread seems to be sensible on your part. However...


I think you're wishing this deal wasn't normal in regards to how much you will have to pay Newcastle. What makes it unlikely for me is that this was a last minute transfer, completed minutes before the deadline. I doubt there was time for this level of negotiation if Newcastle had already accepted a £30m bid from Everton. It's more likely Levy just accepted what Newcastle wanted at this late stage after being outbid and you're just taking the word of one journalist in a sea of transfer mess. He's probably after clicks knowing his take on things is slightly more controversial compared to the more mundane "Spurs pay £30m for Sissoko".

Its also not the end of the world. Out of any manager in the prem I would trust Poch as much as anybody. He obviously likes him so that would be good enough for me as a fan. £30m isn't that out of the park when you consider what other players have been bought and sold for in this window. And he did have a good Euros in my book. Shows a poor attitude yes but can you blame him at a joke of a club like Newcastle. I expect much better at a club like Spurs but in truth it doesn't bode too well for the future should he get tapped up by a bigger club, or vica versa find himself on the outskirts of the first team and being unable to sell him on etc.

Lastly. Yes he is a midfielder :lol: just an attacking one at that.
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I'm not taking his word, merely noting what he's reported.
 
djdhrubs said:
He wasn't really talking about 'average' if you mean a mathematical mean average. He was talking about whether it's 'normal' i.e. pretty common. Which it now is.

Welcome to the £30m for an about average player club. :)
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He's now reduced his claim to those costing £25m+ ... I guess because he couldn't find that many at £30m+.

£30m+ is more common than it used to be, but it's still the exception for Prem clubs across all their ins. Without bothering to check, I'd guess it's represented less than 10% of all transfer-ins this summer.
 
GlastonSpur said:
I'm not taking his word, merely noting what he's reported.
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So it's possible that he's wrong then?
It's also possible that he is correct.
With the interpretation you seem to be taking from his words do we not have to wonder why on earth Newcastle would agree to a transfer that has to be "re-negotiated" with Spurs upon a re-sale?
 
sebsheep said:
So it's possible that he's wrong then?
It's also possible that he is correct.
With the interpretation you seem to be taking from his words do we not have to wonder why on earth Newcastle would agree to a transfer that has to be "re-negotiated" with Spurs upon a re-sale?
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Sell on clauses are pretty common to be fair.

But it's probably stacked in Newcastle's favour more than anything i.e. they get a cut of any sell on transfer fee, and therefore Spurs payments would naturally increase in the event of a sale. Hence the renegotiation.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Sell on clauses are pretty common to be fair.

But it's probably stacked in Newcastle's favour more than anything i.e. they get a cut of any sell on transfer fee, and therefore Spurs payments would naturally increase in the event of a sale. Hence the renegotiation.
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It's a very straight forward transfer, spurs fans on reddit are so deluded and thick on this topic. Their thread on this topic is hilarious.
 
GlastonSpur said:
He's now reduced his claim to those costing £25m+ ... I guess because he couldn't find that many at £30m+.

£30m+ is more common than it used to be, but it's still the exception for Prem clubs across all their ins. Without bothering to check, I'd guess it's represented less than 10% of all transfer-ins this summer.
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Being an insomniac and a nerd I worked out that the average cost of a Prem transfer (excluding frees) is now just shy £13m. 92 transfers cost something, 12 cost over £30m so about 13%. 20% of transfers cost £20m+.

The only team whose average spend was greater than 30m was Utd (avg 52m). Chelsea averaged 24m. Spurs averaged £17.5m. I'd be confident in saying that £30m is still considered a large outlay for the majority of clubs.

That being said 30m is no longer an eye catching figure. Of the 20 clubs 10 spent more than £20m on a single player. Of last years top ten 9/10 clubs did, with 6/10 spending £30m+. The stand out clubs of last year's top ten in terms of transfers are notable for NOT spending this kind of money. This summer it certainly became normal for a top English club to spend more than £20m on at least one player and it was certainly not abnormal to see a club spend north of £30m.
 
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I don't think Tottenham will improve on what they did last year because of how young many of the key attackers in the squad are. Development of young players is very rarely linear as we are seeing right now with Martial and I'm sure will see at some point with Rashford and very clearly saw going back to Ronaldo where his end product skyrocketed after a few seasons. Often times part of the growth process for young players and teams is stagnation as they add and hone skills before that development pays off into a realized and tangible improvement in the future.

I felt and still feel that Tottenham should have added 1 or two players that would have either been clear improvements or could genuinely challenge the players ahead of them in the starting XI. I don't feel they did that, which isn't necessarily a failure without knowing what their financial situation with stadium costs and such are.

TL DR I think Spurs will be at about the same level this year as they were last year, which imo will not be enough for top 4.
 
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GlastonSpur said:
I'm done with you, your incoherent rambling and your inability to understand what the word "excuse" actually means. You're going on my ignore list - which means I don't consider you worthy of further response. Adios.
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If they are not your excuses, what are they called? Words containing lie and stubbornness? :lol:
You are stubborn guy who can't accept the reality. People are allowed to make their opinion but once you are exposed by the reality, you can't keep defending it with excuses. Just accept it mate!
Good thing that Im in your ignore list is that I have the final word without have to deal with your ridiculous stubbornness anymore.
 
Kraftwerker said:
Sell on clauses are pretty common to be fair.

But it's probably stacked in Newcastle's favour more than anything i.e. they get a cut of any sell on transfer fee, and therefore Spurs payments would naturally increase in the event of a sale. Hence the renegotiation.
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A sell-on clause isn't mentioned in the article, though I guess a lot of the time they aren't. The alteration to the payment plan is sort of what I was thinking reading the article and the tweet, that if Spurs sell him before the 5 years they would re-negotiate to settle the remaining money owed, hence not paying for him once he leaves. Like it has been pointed out, that money may well just come from the deal with the club they're selling to.
It just seems the idea is being put across that if Spurs have him for 1 year they're paying maybe £6/£12m and for 3 years then £18m and so on, then they don't pay any more if they get rid of him. That wouldn't really make sense from a Newcastle
 
sebsheep said:
A sell-on clause isn't mentioned in the article, though I guess a lot of the time they aren't. The alteration to the payment plan is sort of what I was thinking reading the article and the tweet, that if Spurs sell him before the 5 years they would re-negotiate to settle the remaining money owed, hence not paying for him once he leaves. Like it has been pointed out, that money may well just come from the deal with the club they're selling to.
It just seems the idea is being put across that if Spurs have him for 1 year they're paying maybe £6/£12m and for 3 years then £18m and so on, then they don't pay any more if they get rid of him. That wouldn't really make sense from a Newcastle
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End of the day it's just a regular transfer. There won't be renegotiation on the price. Spurs will sell him and pay that money to Newcastle. Newcastle are guaranteed 30 Million pounds and Spurs will pay 30 Million.
 
I don't understand how a Man United fanbase that paid 26 million for a guy with an afro who jumps around elbowing people is so obsessed over 30 million Sissoko.
 
Sweech said:
I don't understand how a Man United fanbase that paid 26 million for a guy with an afro who jumps around elbowing people is so obsessed over 30 million Sissoko.
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You realise that there was a huge amount more written about Fellaini after he was purchased than there has been about Sissoko by that same fanbase? So your post is fairly meaningless.
 
djdhrubs said:
You realise that there was a huge amount more written about Fellaini after he was purchased than there has been about Sissoko by that same fanbase? So your post is fairly meaningless.
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It's more a joke than a point really.
 
eriksen isn't great isn't he? Not top drawer by any means, and hasn't progressed much since his arrival. Racks up decent stats but his impact on games doesn't match the top 10s.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Mediocre wages for a mediocre player, nothing to see here. I guess he had a lack of big money offers from big clubs.
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Nothing to see here except you being wrong about Eriksen blowing open our wage budget. Chalk up another in the long list of failed predictions made on here about Spurs.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Nothing to see here except you being wrong about Eriksen blowing open our wage budget. Chalk up another in the long list of failed predictions made on here about Spurs.
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If he was worth his salt a big club would snap him up.

Anyways, 75k for you is like 200k for United when you compare the turnover. Size of wages is proportionate to size of club, when/if you become a big club you'll understand.
 
SwansonsTache said:
If he was worth his salt a big club would snap him up.

Anyways, 75k for you is like 200k for United when you compare the turnover. Size of wages is proportionate to size of club, when/if you become a big club you'll understand.
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So, not going to admit your failed prediction? I guess that at least is predictable.
 
GlastonSpur said:
So, not going to admit your failed prediction? I guess that at least is predictable.
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Yes my prediction failed. I thought him to be a bit more ambitious than that. I guess his good last season clouded my vision a bit.

Slacky-jaw Kane is due a renewal soon though. Think you'll tie that one up any lower than 150k\week?
 
SwansonsTache said:
If he was worth his salt a big club would snap him up.

Anyways, 75k for you is like 200k for United when you compare the turnover. Size of wages is proportionate to size of club, when/if you become a big club you'll understand.
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True and in that light a 5 Mil.€ per year deal is very good business for a player of Eriksen´s calibre and a club of their size. That is a good deal no matter how United supporter want to spin it. Quite frankly around two Mil.€ less than I expected. Maybe there was a medium sized signing bonus involved which would adjust his annual wages upwards a bit, which would still be a very good deal.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Yes my prediction failed. I thought him to be a bit more ambitious than that. I guess his good last season clouded my vision a bit.

Slacky-jaw Kane is due a renewal soon though. Think you'll tie that one up any lower than 150k\week?
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Kane has a contract until 2020....
There is no pressure on the side of Tottenham in his case.
 
Attila said:
How do Spurs manage to keep wages so low? Isn't your revenue similar to Liverpool's who I'm sure have £100k+ wage players. Sturridge is on like £150k a week I think
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They are very sly in negotiations I think. Impressively low wage budget. You can say a lot about Spurs and their fans, but there is no denying that their club is very well organized and run.
 
Attila said:
How do Spurs manage to keep wages so low? Isn't your revenue similar to Liverpool's who I'm sure have £100k+ wage players. Sturridge is on like £150k a week I think
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Our revenue is around £100m lower than Liverpool's currently - or was as of 2014-15. But that gap will close a lot when our new stadium is up and running.
 
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