Is Dembele out too? So that's Lloris and Dembele out for a few weeks?
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I thought he was suspended from that Chelsea game last season?
Got another 2 or 3 games of it to serve
Dembele is suspended for the next 3 league games.
What trend? Oh you mean the trend based on incorrect stats. Ok gotcha.
I sincerely hope this is a parody of RAWK because trying to use "same fixtures" is one of the most foolish and useless ways to look at the current season
I thought trends are a big thing in this thread and Spurs threads in general. Just ask GlastonSpur. Guess you're too new...
For me the question with Spurs is always the same every season. Whether or not they have good players or a good manager, the question is...do they have the collective mental strength needed to achieve something?
In just about every one of the 25 odd years I've been watching football, the answer has always ended up being no. They are a shining example of how in a team sport, individuals can come together to collectively bottle it when the pressure is on. I can't think of many teams who perennially have this reputation and live up to it, year in year out. Everyone bottles it once in a while, but Spurs do it pretty much every year in one way or another.
In just about every one of the 25 odd years I've been watching football, the answer has always ended up being no. They are a shining example of how in a team sport, individuals can come together to collectively bottle it when the pressure is on. I can't think of many teams who perennially have this reputation and live up to it, year in year out. Everyone bottles it once in a while, but Spurs do it pretty much every year in one way or another.
One game is a "trend" is it?? You're talking nonsense.
The way their players downed tools in the Chelsea game spoke a thousand words. One of the most embarrassing things I've seen in the Premier League, honestly. They still had a chance to go and get another goal but decided they'd rather try and injure a few Chelsea players. The sort of thing you'd be ashamed to see in an under-15s match, let alone during a match between highly paid professional footballers.
What are you even talking about. They did their fans proud.
Get your toys, put them back in the pram and read up on GlastonSpur and his posts on "trends". You can find another reference to it just one page back. Jesus Christ, why do you Spurs fans always have your knickers in a twist? Grumpy much? Someone makes an ironic post in the GlastonSpur mold and you guys just lose it.
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As a Spurs fan I loved it.
I think some are just upset we can't be called a soft touch or an easy game anymore.
So you dont care about throwing away a chance at trophies because you can claim some pyyrhic victory that you think enhances your reputation.
You lot never change =D
Nice defense mechanism
Yeah it seemed like an excuse. As long he was average, his hip injury was the one holding him back and as soon as he a has a great season it magically disappears. In any case, I don't think he is that great a midfield personnel and feel that last season was above his median.
You are right that I don't see all of Spurs' matches but I follow them a a fair bit as I find their football entertaining. So yeah, Dembele was only decent of you consider the entire seasons before that. A few good performances here and there does not make that season good.
As I said, we will soon find out how good he actually is. If he can follow up last season's performances then he will have made that jump but till then I won't be holding my breath. A lot of players have had one blindingly good season only for them to return to their average self after that.
Lads, it's Tottenham
I don't think they 'bottled it.' It was never neck and neck, they were always slightly behind and their form was good until the last few games. The Chelsea game was a breakdown, but that came when they knew they couldn't win it. As childish as it was, it demonstrated commitment and a belief. Under Pochettino there is a strong togetherness at Spurs, a strong team ethic. They didn't lie down for anyone in the League. It was this that got them as far as it did.
You're missing the point entirely. The season is one game old, one game cannot possibly be called a trend. As I said, you're talking nonsense.Get your toys, put them back in the pram and read up on GlastonSpur and his posts on "trends". You can find another reference to it just one page back. Jesus Christ, why do you Spurs fans always have your knickers in a twist? Grumpy much? Someone makes an ironic post in the GlastonSpur mold and you guys just lose it.
So you don't think a hip injury would affect somebody's performances? ok. Secondly, you don't think he's that great, although you previously stated that you thought he was great at Fulham and wanted him at Man Utd !! I think you just lost all credibility.
Yes I said I thought he was good for Fulham but his first years at Spurs proved me that I was wrong and he was bang average. If you cannot understand that much, I think there is nothing left to discuss.
As for his hip injury, he was pretty diabolical for those two years. I seriously doubt his "hip injury" was the sole cause for it. It is like so many here trying to give Valencia some leeway for his dire performances because of his injury years ago.
He was mocking Glaston who uses trends from periods which suits his argument.
What ever you say mate. You agree that he was good at Fulham, you agree that he was good last season, whether you "remember" it or not, he was good in his first year at spurs. How does the saying go? Class is permanent, form is temporary. Yet in spite of admitting he was good at Fulham and last season, you insist on calling him "bang average". Whatever "bang average" is supposed to mean. Is adding "bang" to "average" somehow intended to imply that "bang average" is a lower standard than "average"? Clearly you have an agenda and not worth discussing further.
Absolutely. Although I did find it hilarious at the same time.
Even at certain times last season when Leicester dropped points and presented Spurs with the opportunity to close the gap and apply real pressure, they'd end up dropping points themselves.
Pressure and spurs have never gone together particularly well. Their manager has made them into a very good team but even if they make a great start to the season and put together a bunch of wins the question mark will be there for later in the season. Can they hold their nerve? The answer is most probably no.
It's very funny that their fans recognize this deep down and therefore see their team kicking lumps out of Chelsea as a creditable thing that makes them proud, almost a macho thing to do. Almost as if it was a conscious decision.
Meanwhile the rest of us see it for what it was. Completely losing it/ bottling it/ displaying a very weak mentality or however else you want to put it.
I actually agree with you. - I was very disappointed when I saw what happened during the Chelsea match as it showed a lack of maturity and strength of character within the team (understandable I guess given the lack of experience and average age of the team). What I would have much preferred to see was the lads rising above the goading of the Chelsea players and out playing them and then winning the game. That would have been the best way to get back at Chelsea, to get involved in the nonsense that occurred benefitted Chelsea much more than it benefitted us and we totally fell for it.
I really hope the players learn from that and the next time something like that occurs they react like professionals and use the goading as incentive to win the game.
We weren't going to win the league. We didn't throw anything away in that Chelsea game, anyone saying so is being completely disrespectful of Leicester.
We could have won and Leicester still would have won the League at Everton regardless seeing as a drunk/still hungover Leicester still smashed them anyway. Not only that, but Chelsea would have thrown their game at the end of the season if it went that far, they basically said as much,
I can't stand Chelsea and wouldn't be at all bothered if the same happens again this year and every year following.
I enjoy the "you lot never change" comment though. It's not like I've never heard Arsenal fans complaining ad nauseum that their team and players lack fight and character or anything...
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Calm down fella. You seem very keen at getting angry over anything. This is bad, posters showing their emotions like this.
I'm not sure a football forum is quite right for you if the slightest challenge levied against your club is enough to send you a war path.
Let's seen on Dembele. Clearly a very talented player, glides past players with such poise and grace, only bettered in this league by Eden Hazard. ? remain over his final ball and temperament, especially in the big occasions. The downgrade in quality shown by Wanyama's inclusion in his place was startling howver and for have Spurs to make another successful season they need Dembele back asap.
This is actually a very good post. The other Spurs fans in this thread seem highly defensive when anything negative about their club is pointed out.
It's one thing when someone is spouting shit or trying to WUM Spurs fans, but to say "oh I was proud of how we tried to kick lumps out of Chelsea players, as opposed to go and try winning the match because we had no chance of catching Leicester anyway" is a weird mentality to have.
But as you mentioned, you have a young squad and hopefully they learn from those experiences/setbacks.
I think it is unfair to compare Wanyama to Dembele as they are completely different types of midfielders. Dembele is one of our most important players, certainly our most important player in the middle of the park and we do really miss him when he isn't in the side. Wanyama is good at what he does but what he does is very different to what Dembele offers. We would benefit from having an adequate back-up to Dembele in the squad who can perform a similar function in the side, we lack that at present.
He was good at Fulham and he was average apart from his last season at Spurs. His "class" is in your own head and you can keep that. I think his median is below what he showed last season and I will prefer to see him perform at that level again before terming him "class".
You are neglecting the fact that he had been carrying a hip injury for 2 seasons which finally got sorted before the start of last season. Now he is fully fit and playing exceptionally well.
Can't believe I would have to explain this... so I'm not going to bother.
You're going to do well here with this attitude.
You've done a great job of jumping down someone's throat without understanding the joke behind his comments.
I never denied he was brilliant last season. All I am saying is last season was the exception to the general performance of Dembele so far at Spurs. I will like to see him at that level again.
Yes but I'm giving you a reason why his performance wasn't at his best for the couple of years before last season. The injury is now resolved and hopefully he can continue to show what a great player he is once his suspension lapses.
How old are you, 15?
Your team bottled the best shot at the title they had in years and are likely to have in the near future, and responded by trying to chop down the other team, rather than actually trying to score a fecking goal. No one watching that game thought 'wow, Spurs certainly aren't a soft touch!', they thought what a shambles of a performance that was indicative of the kind of weak mentality that could then see the same players go and lose 5-1 to an already relegated side and allow their rivals to finish above them.Best shot at the title? We were barely ever in the race at all and quite frankly wouldn't have won it whether we won out or not. If it had been anyone but Leicester no one would have called it a "shot at the title" as they expected them to drop off or something (which they never did). Not only that but it's not like in that Chelsea game we went up 2-0 and decided to kick people for the rest of it. The entire game was feisty and we were trying to score for the full 90, there wasn't some point in time where we just decided not to try and score or something.How old are you, 15?
The Newcastle game was a shambolic embarrassment that showed some weakness, immaturity, and reliance on some specific players in a very young side, the Chelsea game was not any of that - maybe immaturity, but that's it.
Any comments on the fact you haven't won in your last 5 PL games?
But that still was your best shot at the title in half a lifetime. Which still basically constitutes no shot at all.
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