About as pathetic as those who insist on goading him post after post after post. This thread has turned into just a bit of a joke and it's certainly not only down to Glaston.There's nothing more entertaining than watching you throw your toys out of the pram. You're a grown man aren't you? Fecking hell, pathetic
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Sure, but either way we didn't fail to capitalize every time.
Thanks for some actual productive content. Much appreciated.
Not quite sure what to make of this move. Njie, spending most of last season injured, barely had a chance to make his mark so it seems quite premature to ship him out already. I was personally looking forward to seeing what he would bring to the squad, especially considering the general lack of pace in his position. That said, N'koudou seemingly has a lot of potential and certainly fits the type of player we generally go after. Interested to see what ends up happening and what exact role N'Koudou will play if he does indeed sign.
Why is it in general there isn't a club that plays at Wembley stadium?
Because its a national stadium & used for other purposes too.
Quite surprised Spurs will be playing so often at Wembley in the next couple years..
To be fair, the trend is marred by it stretching over two seasons; but it's interesting as neither Spurs squad or manager have significantly changed since the end of the season and now they're missing their captain and goalkeeper and their best centre mid. I see the trend staying.
Do you wonder why they goad him?
Again I have to ask this - is this a redcafe vs Glaston thread or is this a general thread to talk about Spurs? If it is a redcafe vs Glaston thread then fair enough, knock yourselves out - can we start a new thread to discuss Spurs please? As for this 'is it a trend or is it not a trend' crap can you all just give it a bloody rest.
Serious Spurs chat then -
With Lloris out now for at least a month, are you lot content with how the transfer window has been for you? My personal opinion is that you really haven't improved your side in anyway and an injury to a key player would damage you a lot more than it could of had you invested a bit more in players that could really push for a 1st team place and dislodge any of last seasons side.
With Lloris out now for at least a month, are you lot content with how the transfer window has been for you? My personal opinion is that you really haven't improved your side in anyway and an injury to a key player would damage you a lot more than it could of had you invested a bit more in players that could really push for a 1st team place and dislodge any of last seasons side.
It's against forum rules.
Thankyou for at least trying to get this thread back on track. I'm happy with the business we have done so far but I'm hoping we will get another couple of players in. It sounds like we may finally sign Nkoudou which is positive as by all accounts he would inject some much needed pace into our attack. We are lacking a proper back-up to Dembele which is a big concern.
The injury to Lloris is a big blow but lets be honest, for the majority of teams to lose their GK it would also be a big blow, not many have top class GK back-up and at least Vorm is decent.
This summer has been about consolidating the squad, hopefully moving on those who arent getting a game to free up spots in squad for talented young players and also bringing in some much needed quality squad depth.
Would we prefer us to spend megabucks on big name players? Maybe some of us would prefer that but I don't think that fits with the philosophy of the manager or works within the financial constraints we find ourselves in due to the building of the stadium so we have to accept that is where we are as a team. Will it be enough? No idea.
Lloris out doesn't really have any bearing on the transfer window. Vorm is a very adequate stand in, he's as good as half the first choice keepers in the PL. Dembele is a much bigger miss, as there is no stand in to compensate for what he does. I don't think it's true that no players have been signed that can push for a first team place. Janssen has already shown that he is very capable of giving Kane serious competition. Wanyama isn't too far behind as a rotation option for Dier either. There's still a couple of weeks to go before transfer window closes, hopefully competition for Dembele will arrive.
Yeah, the Dembele point is where I really think you need to be concerned. It kinda links into my Lloris point. If someone like that gets injured, you can rely on having that extra quality you've brought in somewhere else on the field to plug the quality gap, as it were. I think if any of your players aren't firing; Eriksen will be my example for this, you don't really have anyone else to allay that drop in form from the bench/to rotate.
I definitely agree mega bucks on players wouldn't fit with your team ethic and philosophy, but looking at possible transfers you could of got for cheap - Redmond, Fer, Kaputska. Fer, for example, would never displace Dembele, but he's Prem proven and could easily step in to Dembeles position. It seems the penny pinching is seeming to hype your youngsters up to be your first teams understudies, which is a dangerous game.
See my point above, but you may disagree with that, fair enough. I'd disagree Janssen has shown anything to suggest that yet, but I actually am a big fan of his. I just can't see you dropping Kane for him, which won't really allow him to show his true worth.
I know there is still a couple of weeks to go, but the season is already underway and you may drop points from 3 games because of this lack of option for when Dembele isn't there, or more pace down the wing. It's similar to Arsenal not sorting out a striker or defenders.
Did you watch Janssen against Atletico, and against Everton at the weekend? He's clearly got the ability. He completely changed the game when he came on against Everton. Believe me, Poch is ruthless, he will drop Kane for Janssen if Janssen proves he deserves it.
Yeah, good points. You have a very young, good settled XI, who almost went all the way last season. So it makes sense to give them more time to develop together and see how much more synergies can be created within that starting XI, instead of going out and spending tons of money on players who might not necessarily improve the team's performance, overall. Squad depth seems the thing you're trying to address this window.
And obviously, added to the complexity of trying to sign big name players - the market is as overpriced as it's ever been. So it will be very difficult to sign a lot of "proven quality" that will walk into your current first XI because of the prices/wages/competition being offered.
I think it's a good strategy. The only player I think you could/should have tried to go for was someone like that Dembele fella that went to Dortmund. He seems exactly the type of signing Poch would have loved, but I think his first choice was Dortmund anyway.
I actually did. He's a big lad and puts himself about with good technique to boot, but he didn't change the game in the way people are selling it, you sacrificed a midfielder for a striker. That was always going to change the game. Again, I'm a massive advocate of him, but the jury is well and truly still out for me and I hope that's the case with Poch.
Totally agree with the first part (re. Glaston . ... who is a convenient kicking post in lieu of Spurs themselves) however disagree with your comment on the 'trend'. Now if you had a new manager, a thorough overhaul of your team or new tactics etc., then yes I can see that talk of a trend is incompatible however the idea of a trend is given credence due to lack of any major changes at Spurs. It's basically same team, same manager, same tactics. So there should be discussion of 5 PL matches winless, even if spread over 2 seasons.
Yes it is fact you're already getting left behind if you refer yourself to the premier league table. Plus we've won 2 trophies this year you've won nothing don't forget.
Bar Kane and maybe rose is there a player in your side you haven't bought? Mason doesn't count because he's a big bag of shite
There's nothing more entertaining than watching you throw your toys out of the pram. You're a grown man aren't you? Fecking hell, pathetic
Throwing toys out of the pram? On the contrary, it's a fascinating spectacle watching the spending arms race between these two cheque-book managers.
Meanwhile Spurs fans relax back into their seats, eating popcorn and enjoying the circus show, knowing that our club is embarked on a very different developmental path.
Ah yes, the 'developmental path' from third to sixth to eighth to twelfth.
OK, spurs season is over after one game - fact according to you. Maybe I should point out that by definition, facts occur after an event, never before. You just destroyed your credibility.
Yawn
If that were the real definition for fact (it isn't) your season hasn't started well, your best midfielder (who isn't as good as ours, Arsenal's or maybe even cities best midfielder) is out for ages for losing his head. your best keeper is out for at least a month, although vorm did well the other day, and your main striker still looks knackered from last season and the euros and on top of that you haven't significantly improved from last season.
You do have a decent manager though, hes not as good as mourinho, pep or klopp but hes pretty good. You might struggle your way to fourth depending on other teams, but I wouldn't expect much more than that.
C'mon Glaston. You know that you would spend too if you had the resources. Unfortunately you don't so you can joke about our spending but I am sure you would love to be in a position where you could spend as much as we can.
This is such an arrogant and untrue post.
Fair enough, those are your opinions. You are just making a list of statements though based on your opinion, there is no debate to be had as you think one way and as you would expect most Spurs fans will think differently.
A developmental path that means building an expensive stadium in the hope of one day being financially secure enough that you can make big investments in the team.
Let's face it, Spurs ideal future scenario is a big stadium, big commercial revenues, squad retention and investment, and trophies.
We're just further down the path than you on those terms, and already at the point where we can spend the money. Don't let it eat you up. Deep down you know you're making the hard yards now so you can hope to do the same one day.
If bragging because you spend lots of money is your thing then great but please do not presume to know what anybody else is thinking and what they would rather do.
You are 100% correct and I'm sure most Spurs fan (well me at least) are delighted at the plans for the club over the next few years and remain very optimistic for the future. You can't compare Spurs to Man Utd really as they are in two entirely different situations. What is great though is that we are proving that it is possible to compete when not spending vast sums of cash on players and I'm very proud of that.
No of course, there's no way to objectively say who has the better squad, unless you were comparing I don't know Barcelona and Bury. I do think Pochettino is a worse manager than the ones I mentioned though, simply because he hasn't won anything and he's been around for quite a bit. If he can push on and maybe win the league or a cup this season then hes up there with the managers I mentioned. I just think it will be difficult with united and city having spent so much to massively improve their teams. Even Klopp could push for the title this season if he can keep everyone fit and get a good striker in.
This.
I've tipped them to win the PL tbh. Anyone who watched Spurs last year (not highlights) will know they're the real deal. They controlled games with ease last year and battered many clubs, they're extremely difficult to beat. Naturally the footballing muppets in this thread will point to the end of last season as proof that they'll never win. But they were in a situation of all or nothing.
Both City and us will challenge, but neither will be consistent IMO. 17-18 will be a different scenario though.
They did look very good last season yeah, but they can't be seen as the real deal until they've won something, at least not for me.
One point to make - I can speak honestly and for myself only - I couldnt give a toss how much cash Man Utd, City, Chelsea, etc decide to spend on players. Makes no difference to me at all, I only care about what my club do. I'm happy with the direction Spurs are going, I'm really happy and excited to see our young players continue to develop and I'm confident that despite other teams spending millions and millions on players, we will compete with them without resorting to that. That makes me proud to be a Spurs fan and proud of the way my club does its business. If you believe me to be jealous in any way of your own club breaking world records for player transfers you are completely wrong.
This is what so many find objectionable by many fans in this thread, specifically. You're evidently implying that it is a negative thing to spend money on players. Relatively speaking, you spend money too, it's just not as much as United because you have less. It's fair enough for you to say you're proud that your club is competing without equivalent financial power, but to imply that it's a negative, by saying "resorting to that" is just petty. Both clubs are spending an amount that they can afford. There's not a whole lot different. Do feel free to continue believing you have some moral victory, however.
I know you're not being that serious but off the top of my head I can think of a few notable occasions when a team took their form and confidence or lack thereof from the end of one season into the beginning of next season.
Leicester last season.
Chelsea last season.
Liverpool in the season they finished second under Brentan.
All relating to their previous seasons. So there may be more to your point than you think! Lol.
Kane and Alli looked pretty off the pace in the euros too.
Hate injuries and indiscipline. Was hoping Spurs wouldn't be hampered by a slow start this time.
Yeah this is pretty much spot on. With Spurs being run the way they are, the only sustainable way to increase investment in the squad is to increase revenues, at least under the leadership/philosophy of Levy and ownership of Lewis (they're not going to suddenly start throwing huge money at the squad otherwise). In the past it's been done through big money transfers out of the club, but that adds little in terms of consistency and sustainability. The stadium project and other commercial revenues are the only way to really add any staying power to the equation.
In this football era of big money and investment for clubs like Spurs it's either join the trend or risk getting left behind. In some cases it's teams having owners who are willing to put money in the squad without any real sustainable ROI and in others, as with Spurs, it's finding ways to increase your revenue footprint to allow for an increase in your financial parameters (wages, transfer fees, etc.). Either way the end game is the same....spending more money to keep up with the seemingly limitless trends of today's football market.
I'd love nothing more than to believe Spurs can one day in the near future win the league by maintaining the approach of value signings and youth development, but is that reality? I suppose there is a very slim chance it could happen this year, but long term it's not a strategy that will consistently lead (Leicester being the ultimate one-off, perfect-storm-type story) to the results the fans and front office are looking for. At least not in the footballing world we live in today.
Still think we've got a good shot at top 4 this year
Genuine question, not taking the mick here, is Spurs' youth development particularly impressive? Rose and Kane were both Spurs youth players (I believe... Not entirely sure with Rose), are there any other notable players?Yeah this is pretty much spot on. With Spurs being run the way they are, the only sustainable way to increase investment in the squad is to increase revenues, at least under the leadership/philosophy of Levy and ownership of Lewis (they're not going to suddenly start throwing huge money at the squad otherwise). In the past it's been done through big money transfers out of the club, but that adds little in terms of consistency and sustainability. The stadium project and other commercial revenues are the only way to really add any staying power to the equation.
In this football era of big money and investment for clubs like Spurs it's either join the trend or risk getting left behind. In some cases it's teams having owners who are willing to put money in the squad without any real sustainable ROI and in others, as with Spurs, it's finding ways to increase your revenue footprint to allow for an increase in your financial parameters (wages, transfer fees, etc.). Either way the end game is the same....spending more money to keep up with the seemingly limitless trends of today's football market.
I'd love nothing more than to believe Spurs can one day in the near future win the league by maintaining the approach of value signings and youth development, but is that reality? I suppose there is a very slim chance it could happen this year, but long term it's not a strategy that will consistently lead (Leicester being the ultimate one-off, perfect-storm-type story) to the results the fans and front office are looking for. At least not in the footballing world we live in today.
Still think we've got a good shot at top 4 this year
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