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Will Spurs finish in top 4 in the upcoming season?

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Does every young player who, after having their first great season, still need to prove that they're not just a one-season wonder?
Yes, but as it's a Spurs player so we're expected to put up with it.

Imagine the indignation if we went around and had the same attitude about Martial.
 
The only reason Ramsey didn't improve upon that 13/14 season was because of injury and not any other reason.
He along with Jack Wilshere, Oxlade Chamberlain and Callum Chambers are the most talented youngsters in Britain.
Hahahaha !

I love a good laugh on a Sunday morning with coffee in hand - damn just spilt it !
 


Not that's a tricky situation. He will be paid much more than what he is paid at Spurs and he has just 2 years left on the deal. Either you have to pay him over 100K which will have impact on their wage structure or might lose him for less than what he is worth to Spurs.
 
Well, a draw away at Everton under Koeman isn't too shabby for them.
 
Not that's a tricky situation. He will be paid much more than what he is paid at Spurs and he has just 2 years left on the deal. Either you have to pay him over 100K which will have impact on their wage structure or might lose him for less than what he is worth to Spurs.

Will it do that thas significantly? All Tottenham has to do decide if Eriksen is worth a top earner contract for them. People make this figure out to be something outrageous, which is not the case, especially in a league that is flooded with that much money. 150k pounds per week are between 9 and 10 Mil € per year. That is in the ball park of what a club like Tottenham (tier II) will have to offer to be able to hold onto their key players, who will be on the lists of the bigger fishes. Based on their revenue they should also be able to pay that to a few players.
 
Will it do that thas significantly? All Tottenham has to do decide if Eriksen is worth a top earner contract for them. People make this figure out to be something outrageous, which is not the case, especially in a league that is flooded with that much money. 150k pounds per week are between 9 and 10 Mil € per year. That is in the ball park of what a club like Tottenham (tier II) will have to offer to be able to hold onto their key players, who will be on the lists of the bigger fishes. Based on their revenue they should also be able to pay that to a few players.

If the paper reports are true then Eriksen is demanding about double their current highest paid player (Lloris). If that doesn't constitute impacting significantly on their wage structure, I don't know what does. As you say, the figure itself is not that ridiculous for a key player at a side like Spurs, but granting it will probably signal the demise of their current structure.
 
Yes, but as it's a Spurs player so we're expected to put up with it.

Imagine the indignation if we went around and had the same attitude about Martial.
Plenty of Utd fans have questioned how he'll get on this season. Don't let that get in the way of your own indignation though.
 
If the paper reports are true then Eriksen is demanding about double their current highest paid player (Lloris). If that doesn't constitute impacting significantly on their wage structure, I don't know what does. As you say, the figure itself is not that ridiculous for a key player at a side like Spurs, but granting it will probably signal the demise of their current structure.

I have to admit I did not expect the difference to be that great, mostly because I always thought their wage bill is in the same ball park as ours. After checking some reliable sources (telegraph, guardian), their wage bill is somewhere between 100 and 110 Mil. pounds, so at least 120 Mil.€.

With that in mind I have a hard time believing their top earner only gets around 5 Mil.€. I expect that this figure is just the base salary and their contracts to have significant perfomance based bonus payments, boosting the salary in successful seasons by a couple of millions.

The only other possibility would indicate a flawed wage structure in my eyes, where squad players get overpayed and the key players get little money compeared to clubs of their level. This would also mean that they might run into problems in the near future if they want to keep the team together. Their best players will get offers which easily trump what they get right now.
 
Will it do that thas significantly? All Tottenham has to do decide if Eriksen is worth a top earner contract for them. People make this figure out to be something outrageous, which is not the case, especially in a league that is flooded with that much money. 150k pounds per week are between 9 and 10 Mil € per year. That is in the ball park of what a club like Tottenham (tier II) will have to offer to be able to hold onto their key players, who will be on the lists of the bigger fishes. Based on their revenue they should also be able to pay that to a few players.

Like already mentioned their big players are paid less then what decent players are paid in lower teams. From what I read Kane is not even on 100K so if Eriksen signs 150K per week contract then they will have to give lot more extensions and break their wage structure.
 
I have to admit I did not expect the difference to be that great, mostly because I always thought their wage bill is in the same ball park as ours. After checking some reliable sources (telegraph, guardian), their wage bill is somewhere between 100 and 110 Mil. pounds, so at least 120 Mil.€.

With that in mind I have a hard time believing their top earner only gets around 5 Mil.€. I expect that this figure is just the base salary and their contracts to have significant perfomance based bonus payments, boosting the salary in successful seasons by a couple of millions.

The only other possibility would indicate a flawed wage structure in my eyes, where squad players get overpayed and the key players get little money compeared to clubs of their level. This would also mean that they might run into problems in the near future if they want to keep the team together. Their best players will get offers which easily trump what they get right now.

As of June 2015 (the most recently published annual accounts), total staff costs were £101m, but that includes all 399 staff, not just players, so the player wage bill was significantly less than this. Temporary match-day staff costs are not included in the £101m.

Eriksen's reported wage demand (150k per week) is just media guff, as both the player and his agent have said.
 
Last night Eriksen tweeted, "Disappointing result. And don't believe everything you read on the internet." Seems pretty obvious that's in response to the wage demand story. His agent has also responded saying, "Christian is not motivated by money."
 
For all the talk about Delle and Kane, pretty sure it's Dembele who's actually the most important player in their squad. They look half the side without him.
 
For all the talk about Delle and Kane, pretty sure it's Dembele who's actually the most important player in their squad. They look half the side without him.
You are right. It is opposition fans that talk about Kane and Alli, spurs fans who watch every game talk about Dembele.
 
You are right. It is opposition fans that talk about Kane and Alli, spurs fans who watch every game talk about Dembele.

Is he that good defensively?
I know hes good going forward - i remember him making a mug of carrick a dozen times but then every midfielder with a similar physicality does, so it doesn't mean that much.

He looks good carrying the ball forward and he looks fairly clinical when he gets a chance but is there more to him?
Strange match by you lot yesterday
 
Is he that good defensively?
I know hes good going forward - i remember him making a mug of carrick a dozen times but then every midfielder with a similar physicality does, so it doesn't mean that much.

He looks good carrying the ball forward and he looks fairly clinical when he gets a chance but is there more to him?
Strange match by you lot yesterday
He can certainly put a tackle in when he needs to but defence isn't his main job. Dier is the defensive midfielder, he's very solid and reliable, which allows Dembele to go forward.
 
Is he that good defensively?
I know hes good going forward - i remember him making a mug of carrick a dozen times but then every midfielder with a similar physicality does, so it doesn't mean that much.

He looks good carrying the ball forward and he looks fairly clinical when he gets a chance but is there more to him?
Strange match by you lot yesterday
He's incredibly underrated defensively. He's the aggressive defender while Dier is the passive-aggressive one.

He's amazing going forward in a ball carrying sense, but he's very uncreative in the final third. Doesn't really do much other than pass sideways.

That said he's impeccable in the water carrying role Poch uses him in to bridge the defense to the attack.
 
Big loss, especially when you're trying to build momentum to start the season. Will miss Palace, Liverpool and Stoke for sure. Sunderland and Boro are the next two after that.

Time for Vorm to earn his check. He's been up and down in his Spurs career but did make a big save after coming on against Everton. We'll see.
 
Is he that good defensively?
I know hes good going forward - i remember him making a mug of carrick a dozen times but then every midfielder with a similar physicality does, so it doesn't mean that much.

He looks good carrying the ball forward and he looks fairly clinical when he gets a chance but is there more to him?
Strange match by you lot yesterday
Clinical isn't a word I'd use to describe Dembele. Like the Spurs fans say above, his finishing and general creativity in the final third is really the only thing that lets him down. He possesses all other attributes you'd desire from a central midfielder. Love how the ball sticks to him like glue too. After the Hazard's and Silva's in the league, Dembele's dribbling and close ball control has to be up there.
 
Clinical isn't a word I'd use to describe Dembele. Like the Spurs fans say above, his finishing and general creativity in the final third is really the only thing that lets him down. He possesses all other attributes you'd desire from a central midfielder. Love how the ball sticks to him like glue too. After the Hazard's and Silva's in the league, Dembele's dribbling and close ball control has to be up there.
I really liked Dembele at Fulham. Thought he was the perfect midfielder for us. Then hr had a slump for a couple of seasons before coming back strongly last season. Still I am a bit wary if he has turned a corner or was he just overperforming above his normal standards last season.
 
I really liked Dembele at Fulham. Thought he was the perfect midfielder for us. Then hr had a slump for a couple of seasons before coming back strongly last season. Still I am a bit wary if he has turned a corner or was he just overperforming above his normal standards last season.
No he wasn't over performing. His first season at Spurs he performed as he did at Fulham. Then he got a hip injury which niggled for a long time, almost 2 seasons which affected his performances. There was talk of having surgery on the hip. However, it eventually cleared up on it's own without the surgery. Last season he was finally free from it and his performances back to his real self again.
 
No he wasn't over performing. His first season at Spurs he performed as he did at Fulham. Then he got a hip injury which niggled for a long time, almost 2 seasons which affected his performances. There was talk of having surgery on the hip. However, it eventually cleared up on it's own without the surgery. Last season he was finally free from it and his performances back to his real self again.

We will find out this season how good he is. I don't remember him ever being more than decent for Spurs except last season so that hip thing seems like an excuse to me. Nonetheless if he can keep up his good form from last season, he will be a big hit for you.
 
Last season, Tottenham won at Everton and Bournemouth beat United at home.

After only a single round of games, Spurs are 2 points worse off and United are 3 points better off than they were after the equivalent fixtures from 2015/16. That represents a 5 point swing which means we've already overtaken Tottenham's 4 point lead over us from last season.

In other words, if everything else stays the same, United will finish ahead of Tottenham. And that doesn't even take into account the fact we've got a significantly better squad and manager than we had last term.

Spurs'll finish 6th at best. They haven't finished better than 3rd in over 50 years. Normal service to resume.
 
Last season, Tottenham won at Everton and Bournemouth beat United at home.

After only a single round of games, Spurs are 2 points worse off and United are 3 points better off than they were after the equivalent fixtures from 2015/16. That represents a 5 point swing which means we've already overtaken Tottenham's 4 point lead over us from last season.

In other words, if everything else stays the same, United will finish ahead of Tottenham. And that doesn't even take into account the fact we've got a significantly better squad and manager than we had last term.

Spurs'll finish 6th at best. They haven't finished better than 3rd in over 50 years. Normal service to resume.
We drew 1-1 at Goodison last year

:lol:
 
We drew 1-1 at Goodison last year

:lol:

And his concluding sentence, based on wrong information and just the 1st round of results this season: "Spurs'll finish 6th at best." :lol:
 
We will find out this season how good he is. I don't remember him ever being more than decent for Spurs except last season so that hip thing seems like an excuse to me. Nonetheless if he can keep up his good form from last season, he will be a big hit for you.
So when a player is injured it's "an excuse"?? Seems to me you just want an excuse to belittle his performances prior to last season. Do you watch spurs every week? Clearly you don't if you can't remember him ever being "more than decent".
 
Last season, Tottenham won at Everton and Bournemouth beat United at home.

After only a single round of games, Spurs are 2 points worse off and United are 3 points better off than they were after the equivalent fixtures from 2015/16. That represents a 5 point swing which means we've already overtaken Tottenham's 4 point lead over us from last season.

In other words, if everything else stays the same, United will finish ahead of Tottenham. And that doesn't even take into account the fact we've got a significantly better squad and manager than we had last term.

Spurs'll finish 6th at best. They haven't finished better than 3rd in over 50 years. Normal service to resume.
I suggest you make sure you have the facts correct before posting, you may avoid looking a fool.
 
And his concluding sentence, based on wrong information and just the 1st round of results this season: "Spurs'll finish 6th at best." :lol:
Based on them being the 6th best team in the league.

United, City, Liverpool and Chelsea have all improved significantly. Arsenal will still finish above you.
 
Based on them being the 6th best team in the league.

United, City, Liverpool and Chelsea have all improved significantly. Arsenal will still finish above you.

No, based on your opinion that Spurs will be the 6th best team in the league this season. And that opinion has already gotten off to a shaky start in life with your mistaken claim that Spurs are already two points down on our results compared to the same fixtures last season.

You might begin again by at least acknowledging your mistake. And then you might further improve things by acknowledging your silliness in trying to prove anything based merely on round 1, when there are 37 rounds of league fixtures yet to come.
 
No, based on your opinion that Spurs will be the 6th best team in the league this season. And that opinion has already gotten off to a shaky start in life with your mistaken claim that Spurs are already two points down on our results compared to the same fixtures last season.

Nothing beats a super serious dissection of a silly, tongue in cheek post. He was just trying to point out the trend.
 
Biggest key for Tottenham is not losing too much ground early on without Dembele. If they can avoid dropping unnecessary points until then and Kane, Eriksen and Alli stay healthy and productive throughout the year I think they'll finish top-4 at Arsenal's expense.

Lamela's development is also critical for them this year as will be Pochettino's progression as a manager in handling staying competitive in the league along with handling Champions League matches midweek.
 
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