That's a very good point, one which all United fans can appreciate considering our current dry spell in the league. We took winning for granted under Fergie, to the point where defeat was inconceiveable and anything less than winning a league title would be considered failure. Nowadays we just want to be challenging again, winning it is a mere a afterthought in comparison.
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That's a very good point, one which all United fans can appreciate considering our current dry spell in the league. We took winning for granted under Fergie, to the point where defeat was inconceiveable and anything less than winning a league title would be considered failure. Nowadays we just want to be challenging again, winning it is a mere a afterthought in comparison.
You asked a question in your first paragraph so I responded
If I'm a Spurs fan I would talk about this season fondly. 2nd is their best in about 50 years and considering where they were for so long, and what they're competing with it's a great achievement.
Nothing small time about it. Harry Kane may think 2nd is nothing and so will a lot of players but they should strive for more as employees. The fans will still be there long after them.
Those one off cup finals and games against rivals are great stories (and historically Spurs are a successful cup team) but in terms of turning up week in week out for the fans this may be as good as it gets.
Of course he will. He is going nowhere for at least 3 years.
Again, I agree with all of that but given a choice between what they got and a FA Cup + 4th spot, I'd take the later, all other things being equal.You asked a question in your first paragraph so I responded
If I'm a Spurs fan I would talk about this season fondly. 2nd is their best in about 50 years and considering where they were for so long, and what they're competing with it's a great achievement.
Nothing small time about it. Harry Kane may think 2nd is nothing and so will a lot of players but they should strive for more as employees. The fans will still be there long after them.
Those one off cup finals and games against rivals are great stories (and historically Spurs are a successful cup team) but in terms of turning up week in week out for the fans this may be as good as it gets.
Its a tough one though - on the surface its an easy choice because you can say 'we qualify for champions league with 4th and win a trophy so thats better than getting second with no trophy' however being 4th in the league would be a backwards step for us in our current development so i would have been quite disappointed with that and i'm not sure if i'd be willing to go backwards in the league to win an FA cup as wonderful as that would be. It's not an easy one to answer.
Well, that's how highly I rate the importance of a trophy especially for a club that's been started of silverware for so long. It could just kick start a period of success. I'd easily take the 4th spot as a Spurs fan if it meant giving this set of players the first taste of a trophy.
I love Kane and Alli. Absolutely gems.
As Wenger said though, it will be interesting to see if Spurs eventually greatly relax their wage structure to keep hold of these players.
In the next year or two, we will find out. They are still young, but they are not going to be happy earning one-third of what they could elsewhere, sooner or later.
Spurs will not be the one anomaly in football that manages to keep top players at dramatically under-paid wages for significant periods of time.
It just does not happen. One will have to give.
As Wenger said though, it will be interesting to see if Spurs eventually greatly relax their wage structure to keep hold of these players.
In the next year or two, we will find out. They are still young, but they are not going to be happy earning one-third of what they could elsewhere, sooner or later.
Spurs will not be the one anomaly in football that manages to keep top players at dramatically under-paid wages for significant periods of time.
It just does not happen. One will have to give.
The key isn't keeping the players.
It's keeping Pochettino.
He's turned these players into what they are and did so with players at Southampton as well.
Keeping him is they key to us developing a model like the one at Dortmund or Atletico where we're constantly challenging the top clubs, winning a few trophies here or there despite the fact we see top players come and go. Both those clubs have been able to consistently bring in and develop top end talents and given we as a club have a decent track record with that and Pochettino has a fantastic track record with that I don't see it as inconceivable to think we can continue to do so.
Yeah, it's not actually going to happen though and does anyone actually believe it would? Inter are still in the stage of being a joke and firing 3 managers in one season won't exactly be a shining beacon to those like Poch and Simeone who are currently in stable gigs who look more ready to win things than Inter do. The rumours are greater about Conte, but again does anyone actually believe it?
I expect tons more rumours than have already materialized for Poch.
I also expect Poch to stay at least 2 more years.
If Poch is to go anywhere I would expect it to be Real Madrid (not happening soon), or Bayern Munich.
Definitely staying then.
I think the only thing official I've heard is that he will return for next season, not that he is expected to miss the start. Maybe they have some info I don't but knowing the media and what they do to get clicks I won't be surprised to see him available when the season starts.
Why the feck would Pochettino leave Spurs for Inter?
Proj€ct.
He doesn't need to go to Italy to earn big bucks.
Dele Alli 'enjoying Tottenham ride' but won't rule out exit in future
But he told Sky Sports the day might come when his future lies elsewhere.
"You can never say what's going to happen in the future," Alli said. "No one knows. No one can predict it.
"But for me, it's important that I enjoy the journey I'm on, whether I stay at Tottenham for the rest of my career or if one day I have to leave and it's the right thing for me to do.
"I'm always going to be thinking about what's going to get the best out of me, and if that's going to be at Tottenham or if I have to leave it's just important I enjoy the journey and don't get too worried about how it's going to end."
Asked if he would definitely be at Spurs next season he said: "Like I said, you never know, but it's a fantastic club to be a part of.
"We're all looking to learn together, build together and be as successful as we can. We all want to achieve stuff so it's a good place to be, and I think with the manager we've got here as well I can't see many better places for me to improve."
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ttenham-ride-but-wont-rule-out-exit-in-future
Spurs will want to make the most of him while they've got him and win something post-haste, or else he'll be off sooner rather than later.
But he told Sky Sports the day might come when his future lies elsewhere.
"You can never say what's going to happen in the future," Alli said. "No one knows. No one can predict it.
"But for me, it's important that I enjoy the journey I'm on, whether I stay at Tottenham for the rest of my career or if one day I have to leave and it's the right thing for me to do.
"I'm always going to be thinking about what's going to get the best out of me, and if that's going to be at Tottenham or if I have to leave it's just important I enjoy the journey and don't get too worried about how it's going to end."
Asked if he would definitely be at Spurs next season he said: "Like I said, you never know, but it's a fantastic club to be a part of.
"We're all looking to learn together, build together and be as successful as we can. We all want to achieve stuff so it's a good place to be, and I think with the manager we've got here as well I can't see many better places for me to improve."
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ttenham-ride-but-wont-rule-out-exit-in-future
Spurs will want to make the most of him while they've got him and win something post-haste, or else he'll be off sooner rather than later.
Big bucks (10 million euros apparently), big transfer funds, the chance to restore one of the European top club's glory after so many managers failed, just to name a few.
I don't see him leaving this season, but he could have many motives to join Inter.
More motives to stay at Spurs though I'd say.
If (probably when) Simeone goes to Inter, Poch would be a great replacement for Simeone at Atletico. I do suspect he's at Spurs for at least another two seasons though and his sights may be set on Real Madrid.
Haven't they sacked a crazy number of managers of late? You can't really trust them to back a long term project.
Yes, they did. But I think the quality of managers went downhill from Jose.
Inter want Pochettino.
Not surprising to be honest. If Spurs don't win the title within the next couple of seasons, they'll find the scenario will drastically change with regards to the 'commitment' of their players. Suddenly the low spending figures that are commonly bandied around will become rarer, if they want to keep their stars that is. Comes with the territory of being a top club. Next season is key for Spurs to push on, and make a better fist of it in Europe. I think someone like Kane is more likely to stay than an Alli though.
Its not realistic to think that Pochettino will stay longer than 2-3 more years. Even managers like Klopp and Simeone, who enjoyed much more success than Poch and had much stronger personal ties to BvB and Atletico than Poch does to Spurs, did not stay much longer than that. Klopp did seven years and Simeone will have done six full seasons if he leaves after next year, as heavily rumored. Poch staying more than six years is simply very very unlikely and even that would be somewhat surprising given the realities of today's game.
The key is not being reliant on the manager but instead finding a very capable sporting director and developing a strong scouting network. This is really the story of BvB (Zorc as sporting director) and Atletico (Berta as sporting director, at least since 2013), much more than the managers, as well as clubs like Lyon and Monaco that have frequently punched above their weight by maintaining a pipeline of young talent.
The big transfer funds isn't working out for them so far as they've already had brushes with FFP threatening European competition bans and registration bans.
This is a very good point and something which I hope plays a bigger role in our model. We've had a lot of flux with our scouting networks and really need to get that sorted into a solid foundation before Poch leaves imo.
Pochettino guaranteed he will be at Spurs next season: "No buy-out clause in my contract. I will stay here next season."
I'm sure this won't stop some people arguing he is looking to leave though, but nice to hear Poch speak so strongly as always, he really doesn't need to. I think it's a signal to the players as well, to show his commitment.
I'm sure this won't stop some people arguing he is looking to leave though, but nice to hear Poch speak so strongly as always, he really doesn't need to. I think it's a signal to the players as well, to show his commitment.
He did that when asked about the Barca job too iirc. As you said, it's a good sign to the players as well to know that that manager is committed to the club.
Levy will want to see out one more season before they move to their new stadium, whereby they will probably restructure all the contracts for their best players, surely. Tottenham have remained in the financial black in large part down to the sale of Bale and other players which is to their credit but there is only so long they can keep hold of players like Lloris and Eriksen (both under £100k a week) and Alderweireld (£50k a week) in this day and age of power and money hungry agents and whilst Lingard gets £80,000 a week for being on the bench and Dejan Lovren gets £100,000k a week for just standing up as he is literally incapable of doing anything else.
Apparently Kyle Walker is the first name to ruffle some feathers with City interested. Hasn't Eric Dier been linked with your lot? The Sun saying Mourinho wants to launch a £120m raid of Spurs. Not going to be a nice summer for Tottenham fans l reckon.
The problem for Tottenham is that it is impossible for them to bring in anyone who can improve their team and not break the current wage ceiling. They still haven't won a thing and my did they, somehow, get a lot of credit for conceding four goals in a FA Cup semi final against a side whose best two attacking players started on the bench.
Apparently Kyle Walker is the first name to ruffle some feathers with City interested. Hasn't Eric Dier been linked with your lot? The Sun saying Mourinho wants to launch a £120m raid of Spurs. Not going to be a nice summer for Tottenham fans l reckon.
The problem for Tottenham is that it is impossible for them to bring in anyone who can improve their team and not break the current wage ceiling. They still haven't won a thing and my did they, somehow, get a lot of credit for conceding four goals in a FA Cup semi final against a side whose best two attacking players started on the bench.
The agents are circling, Levy is going to have a busy summer. Agents will be more than happy to unsettle players knowing there's money to be made for them and their players.
All of those top players would earn far more money by moving on, its going to be a difficult job keeping them all happy.
All of those top players would earn far more money by moving on, its going to be a difficult job keeping them all happy.
Yep, in many ways a successful window for us will be keeping the vast majority of our players and adding one or two in.
Aye, huge summer for Spurs. Danny Murphy claims both Rose & Walker want to leave and Dier is unhappy with not playing in midfield all season. If United are in for Dier then his head will have been turned by the chance to double his wage.
Rose's injury could well be a blessing but Spurs have got to do something with Alderweireld contract, he's been the best centre half in the country the last 2 years and his agent will want a contract that reflects that.
Doesn't help Levy with talk Palace will offer Zaha £110k a week.
Dier, Walker, Rose, Delly all want out - it's only going to get worse for Spurs unless they start paying proper wages.
edit: already been posted above.
But interesting stuff. I wonder what the mid to long term strategy is for Levy? @GlastonSpur keeps having a pop at Utd for splashing the cash but it's modern football, you have to pay the big money to the better players now.
edit: already been posted above.
But interesting stuff. I wonder what the mid to long term strategy is for Levy? @GlastonSpur keeps having a pop at Utd for splashing the cash but it's modern football, you have to pay the big money to the better players now.
Yeah - I think that we will have to seriously look at our wages structure now. More money is flowing into the Premiership every season and its having an impact on transfer fees and wages. Levy is a very smart guy and of course he will be aware of this - he will do what he thinks is right for the club but whether that means paying £100k+ to our top players or selling them to buy young players we can develop into top players I guess we will find out. The fact is though that we are simply not in a position financially to offer the sort of wages that the likes of Utd can and will be unlikely to do that for the forseeable future.
I find it a bit sad that some fans of bigger clubs like to bash clubs like Spurs who dont have the same resources for not paying massive wages.
What is the current Spurs' wage structure like? And is it likely to change with the cost of the new stadium?
I think reportedly Lloris is our biggest earner on about £110k with Kane on around £90-100k or so - we tend to get guys new contracts quite regularly as they establish themselves in the team so Alli, etc. all have signed long term deals with the club - not sure what sort of money they are on but I'd guess between £50k-80k perhaps.
I think the stadium costs are seperate from wages and transfer fees - at least thats what Levy has said so it shouldnt have a big impact.
The evidence of the last few seasons says otherwise.
It's amazing how many posters on here are stuck in the money-money bubble and can't seem to see outside of it. But outside of the bubble there is a world of hidden and not-so-hidden gems to be unearthed, not to mention talented academy players.
Improving a team does not have to involve offering higher and higher wages or splashing out huge sums on transfer fees. There are several other routes.
Do you think any of your core players will leave, or look for a better deal? If they're all signed up to relatively long contracts, I don't see how they can leave, which suggests that people are talking nonsense and silly season has started.
Judging from how Glaston describes this mythical stadium, I think players are going to take pay cuts to stay there so the wage structure is going to go down.
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